I was rolling my eyes at a comment on twitter about "growing up playing games by Roberta Williams so I didn't know gaming was sexist" but there's a seed of truth in that. Gaming really only went fully dude-colonized in the 90s.― ⌘-B (mh)
― ⌘-B (mh)
I'm sorry, but video games have been sexist and misogynist for a long, long time. If you went into an arcade in the early 80s it was "macho" nerd heaven. Just look at the creepiness of the dudes in Chasing Ghosts - the alpha nerds of early 80s videogames - and it's pretty obvious. The internet allowed more casual players to be exposed to the well established norm, thus perpetuating and spreading it further and driving the roots in deeper. It's a bigger tree than 30+ years ago, but the seed was planted at least that long ago.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 8 September 2014 19:32 (nine years ago) link
competitive video gaming is a whole issue to touch upon; i mean, especially if you're gonna compare WoW to Street Fighter to Starcraft, they're all different, even in degrees of machoness
― Nhex, Monday, 8 September 2014 19:36 (nine years ago) link
I don't think I meant to say that the video game environment was idyllic or not misogynist at any point
― ⌘-B (mh), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:40 (nine years ago) link
xp to 龜: i don't think I was! but lots of spectrum-y people certainly gravitate toward that more codified and obsessively structured world, myself includedfwiw, my girl works as a teacher with autistic students and i have done some work in that arena as well so i understand the reaction
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:41 (nine years ago) link
it is true that sometimes someone's rampant sexism is greatly undercut by their sexy female night elf main character
― stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:42 (nine years ago) link
(apropos of nothing, I clicked on another thread and read "Not all messages..." at the top and it made me think of this thread again)
― stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:44 (nine years ago) link
I don't know what's undercutting about the fact I like to stare at night elf ass all day, DJP
― ⌘-B (mh), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:46 (nine years ago) link
(real thing that was cited in an article not long ago about the "female character"-playing sexists)
― ⌘-B (mh), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:47 (nine years ago) link
http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070815/070815_BillyMitchellPacMan_hmed_2p.grid-6x2.jpg
― am0n, Monday, 8 September 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link
ha
I think the only female character I ever created was a female Tauren (hunter), because it was ludicrous and hilarious that they tried to make them sexy cow ladies
― stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link
i thought you grew up in the midwest
― goole, Monday, 8 September 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
Xps pejorative use of "autistic" is the language of 4chan. /b/'s cringe threads are basically opportunities to post screencaps from facebook and tumblr to call out people's perceived autism.
― bamcquern, Monday, 8 September 2014 19:52 (nine years ago) link
lol goole
my folks rent land to a dairy farm, too; still never gonna get busy with a cow
― stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link
xp to bam, well i don't know that environment well enough to get that connection so i'll shut the fuck up now.
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:56 (nine years ago) link
I gotta find that "Billy Mitchell" episode of Regular Show
― Nhex, Monday, 8 September 2014 19:58 (nine years ago) link
female voice actor for mass effect way superior to the male voice actor imo
― Mordy, Monday, 8 September 2014 19:58 (nine years ago) link
I want to play a 'Mordy' text adventure.
― Spaceport Leuchars (dowd), Monday, 8 September 2014 20:19 (nine years ago) link
they're out there. warning: they are not fantastic.
― Mordy, Monday, 8 September 2014 20:22 (nine years ago) link
http://scarygoround.com/scare/strips/20140908.png
oh also i guess penny arcade weighed in idgaf really
― Mordy, Monday, 8 September 2014 20:23 (nine years ago) link
your w33d is glowing with a faint blue glow
― mookieproof, Monday, 8 September 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link
Is Penny Arcade actually weighing in here? The news post is just some mundane observation about how game journalists feed off Reddit. People say the same thing about Gawker et al.
Reddit is part of that atomization, also. People often ask me what news sites I read, and implicit in this is the idea that they’re looking to shift an allegiance. But I don’t read sites out of allegiance, and it barely matters what they have written - and not just because most of it is insulting or aggressively stupid. It doesn’t matter because I just strip it off the wing bone in one quick pull. I need a button for my jacket that says “I’m Only Here For The Organic Compounds.” I process their text like a Perl script, shucking nonsense, and then I make pixel sculptures out of them with my best friend. My needs may be different.Much of the content on “the big news sites” is simply reposts from Reddit, encased in their acrid saliva. Once you realize this, you can’t really read them in the same way.
Much of the content on “the big news sites” is simply reposts from Reddit, encased in their acrid saliva. Once you realize this, you can’t really read them in the same way.
― jmm, Monday, 8 September 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
mmm, maybe i just assumed
― Mordy, Monday, 8 September 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I also took that "Oh they're going to have views! Oh no, I guess not". Their forums (which I've never really read before, and kind of assumed was all scum and villainy?) have a pretty readable thread on this.
Sorry about the Nazis, Mordy - I was going for something a little more specific than just living in a fallen world though. I suppose that McCarthyism hits a lot of the same notes? 'These people' are among you, present an existential threat, are not applicable to any sense of commonality.
Reminded by Doctor Casino's booming post: I kind of wonder about the stories that young geeks soak up these days - I've seen a few actually say things along the lines of "(reveals purported pecadillo) Yeah, and they think they're the good guys!" which when I was growing up, was the clue that you are a) evil and b) insane.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 00:24 (nine years ago) link
oh god look who's farming this for clicks now:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/09/09/GamerGate-Why-Gaming-Journalists-Keep-Dragging-Zoe-Quinns-Sex-Life-into-the-Spotlight
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/09/09/An-open-letter-to-the-video-gaming-community-from-a-self-confessed-right-wing-bastard
don't feel like you have to click on either of those fyi
― goole, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:44 (nine years ago) link
beetbort
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:46 (nine years ago) link
ha yes
bloopblorp
― goole, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:54 (nine years ago) link
As I wrote last week, gaming journalism, populated by well-meaning liberals, has forgotten what it is for and become consumed with social justice activism, at the expense of writing intelligently about games.
maybe i'd be more sympathetic to this point if gaming journalism had ever been accused of "writing intelligently about games," as opposed to aggregating screen shots and previewing a list of dragon shouts that'll be in the new elder scrolls game. by comparison social justice activism is a huge step up and who knows? maybe learning to write acc to this critical lens will prep them for other critical analysis as well.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:03 (nine years ago) link
if kotaku keeps writing about feminist critiques of video games, will they still have time to publish 20 photos of the same Kratos promo bust??
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:08 (nine years ago) link
bigger issue there i think is the assumption that being "consumed with social justice activism" would make it impossible to write intelligently about games, which doesn't compute at all to me because yeah, it'd anyway be something to subject the games to or test them by, which indeed, isn't really happening AFAIK.
btw, omg, i was thinking about bloopblorp just yesterday. "...then blorp them back!"
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:30 (nine years ago) link
all those guys sending roger ebert angry letters begging him to let games be art and now it's like wait wait wait -- criticism!?!
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:18 (nine years ago) link
(from girls!?!)
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:21 (nine years ago) link
some art "isn't for the critics"
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link
Metal should only be listened to by metalheads who only listen to metal
― Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:50 (nine years ago) link
its a conspiracy http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/new-chat-logs-show-how-4chan-users-pushed-gamergate-into-the-national-spotlight
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 02:52 (nine years ago) link
I am so sorry guys, my hateful speech was because 4chan was goading me on. i am a cool guy, i did not say those things of my own volition :(
― ⌘-B (mh), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 03:33 (nine years ago) link
Good caption from that article: "A man harasses a woman while another man kind of stands around doing nothing. A beautiful microcosm of recent events."
― Barry Gordy (Neil S), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 08:23 (nine years ago) link
anyone up for some ~thoughts~ from an indie dev
http://techraptor.net/2014/09/08/indie-developers-toughts-on-state-gaming-industry/
What made you decide to speak out now?50% personal fears and 50% of historical experience with my country.As I mentioned before, my game is about a taboo topic, and I am doomed to be called sexist, a misogynist and victim blamer by some in the media. In a healthy industry, every game would be judged by quality and not by how it reflects current agendas. If games are art, we must agree that art is not a concrete substance. Realism is a valid form of art. I love realism. Frankly reality is gray. So, excuse me if I don’t buy irrational feminists white and black ideas that men are inherently rapists and women are victims. As an artist, I want to explore every side of the issue.
50% personal fears and 50% of historical experience with my country.
As I mentioned before, my game is about a taboo topic, and I am doomed to be called sexist, a misogynist and victim blamer by some in the media. In a healthy industry, every game would be judged by quality and not by how it reflects current agendas. If games are art, we must agree that art is not a concrete substance. Realism is a valid form of art. I love realism. Frankly reality is gray. So, excuse me if I don’t buy irrational feminists white and black ideas that men are inherently rapists and women are victims. As an artist, I want to explore every side of the issue.
― am0n, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 14:46 (nine years ago) link
Warlock • 2 days agoI almost stood up in place and started to clap after I read this article. This dev is one boss guy.
― am0n, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link
sincerely,
Warlock
― am0n, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link
My game is a 3D puzzle/horror and the topic taps a taboo subject – false rape and sexual harassment accusations. I am trying to capture the horror of false accusations in a man’s life.
― am0n, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 14:52 (nine years ago) link
The fact that he comes from a Post-Soviet Union country, which as you will see in the interview, also plays a role in forming his worldview.
i've mentioned this before on ilx but the most hardcore republicans i know are all former soviets
― Mordy, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link
some of the best 3D puzzle/horror/false rape accusation games were made by former soviets
― am0n, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 14:56 (nine years ago) link
An indie developer, who has requested to remain anonymous
They probably shouldn't have used a still from Indie Game: The Movie.
― jmm, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
Or no, I guess the interviewee is someone else.
The main reason I decided to make an indie game was a well-known movie about the indie scene where now well-established developers posed themselves as artists.
― jmm, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:17 (nine years ago) link
this indie developer sounds like a treat
― stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:33 (nine years ago) link
http://the-toast.net/2014/09/11/im-gamer/
― goole, Thursday, 11 September 2014 16:16 (nine years ago) link
loooooooool
― stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Thursday, 11 September 2014 16:44 (nine years ago) link
http://www.gaming-age.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/dew-doritos-xbox-one.jpg
diabetes?
― ineverenjoyyourcontributions (stevie), Friday, 12 September 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link
I've had diarrhea before, Xbox
― stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Friday, 12 September 2014 18:38 (nine years ago) link