https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/522542896000802816
Yeah, smart move to get the fuck out of there.
― jmm, Thursday, 16 October 2014 02:34 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, the Sarkeesian videos are painfully restrained to the point of potentially losing the viewer through their clarity, if anything. There are jokey asides, but the kind you'd expect in a lecture - mild, wry chuckle stuff. I suppose if you were looking for it, there's a certain didactic tone that could be (deeply) misinterpreted as smarm or know-it-allness.... it's night and day versus the style, tone and delivery of the typical gamer video that y'all were just discussing, where the point is mainly to celebrate or hate on a specific game (classic! dud!), with a lot of "wit" thrown around and a lot of persona-building for the actual speaker. Sarkeesian's videos doesn't parse that way. It's probably not a style of video that gamers are accustomed to watching really. That's a sideshow to the misogyny, etc. etc. but I think it's interesting in a "sub cultures that don't speak each other's language including tone and nonverbal cues" kinda way.
What's most amazing is how people are hooked on the idea that she's all about publicizing herself and getting attention, when aside from the fact that she is a person onscreen speaking stuff in the videos, she is so much less present as a "star" than anybody doing a Let's Play, an AVGN knockoff, a "retro games podcast of the week" deal, or a "This week on Greg and Steve play games" series. Basically the whole long shadow going back to Seanbaby and Penny Arcade where the secret dream is that posting video game shit on the internet will make you somebody. What's up, biotches, it's the Cheetonator here, and you know what that means! If you want to find somebody starved for publicity, it's there.
The conviction that the examples are "cherry-picked" or that some have been "debunked" because the given scene in the game is somehow optional, on the other hand, is willful point-missing that again I think reveals where everybody's real priorities are. Some number of Gamergaters may just be like an army kitted up to fight the last war - they're convinced this is about outsiders who don't understand video games and want to censor them, because that's what games have had to face in the past. More generally, though, I think to get really worked up about Sarkeesian's videos, you would among other things need to be someone who really hasn't encountered this kind of reading of other media, so that it somehow seems really crazy and excessive and out of the ordinary. Combine that with someone handing you ready-made myths about feminism, and your own varying predisposition to misogyny in whatever forms you've seen/acted it out in your own personal life (slut-shaming, victim-blaming, etc. etc.) and it snowballs into basically mishearing the intention behind absolutely everything said and done, on-camera or off.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 16 October 2014 03:17 (nine years ago) link
I guess another aspect of this, which I hadn't thought about before because I've played a lot of video games and don't find the contents of the videos totally unfamiliar, is that the real fear is that Sarkeesian's videos are being consumed by outsiders, by people who don't play video games, and that for this audience they will play strictly as "look at these sick games and imagine the sick people who play them!" Geek culture has a lot of foundational narratives that involve being misunderstood by the wider world, sometimes comical in hindsight (say, Chick tracts about Dungeons and Dragons), sometimes still understood as a tragedy writ large (Seduction of the Innocent and the Comics Code - which really WAS about censorship and demonization of a medium!). If you're inclined to think in those terms, then you might be inclined to think Sarkeesian's videos are intended as such an anti-games, anti-gamer witch hunt, when that's not the case at all (and indeed GamerGate is the actual witch hunt). This also means that every bit of media attention the videos get must be seen to such a person as part of the campaign to destroy games, and thus basically anything Sarkeesian says or does is an attention-seeking scam to ~lure~ people into her ~cause~. This desire to silence her or read the message as insincere attention-seeking is really obviously undergirded by the misogynist text, just as in GameGate globally the misogyny takes particular forms that are pre-scripted by old gamer stories.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 16 October 2014 03:32 (nine years ago) link
Steve Hogarty @misterbrilliant · 23h 23 hours agoAll #gamergate had to do to marginalise women in the industry was sit perfectly still. Things were pretty shitty for women to start out withSteve Hogarty @misterbrilliant · 23h 23 hours agoInstead #gamergate has done a marvellous job of highlighting misogyny in games. Like cockroaches teaming up to turn the kitchen lights on.
Steve Hogarty @misterbrilliant · 23h 23 hours agoInstead #gamergate has done a marvellous job of highlighting misogyny in games. Like cockroaches teaming up to turn the kitchen lights on.
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 16 October 2014 09:29 (nine years ago) link
xp
Yeah, the one thing that keeps popping up in the back of my mind is that we fought against the PMRC back in the 1980s. And we didn't have twitter, but we had Anthrax.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poTA34hKbZw
― how's life, Thursday, 16 October 2014 09:32 (nine years ago) link
well this mess made the front page of the new york times. here's hoping national attention embarrasses law enforcement/the FBI into actually tracking down the people making the threats.
― you little affront to god (reddening), Thursday, 16 October 2014 09:34 (nine years ago) link
god i hope this is real
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0D2bkVCQAEzoyC.jpg
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 16 October 2014 13:13 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/jayd3fox
one would think that someone trying to orchestra a sincere, respectful boycott would change the name of the account they are coordinating everything from to something other than "ChinaGirl BigDick" but I guess that's #GamerGate in a nutshell
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 13:46 (nine years ago) link
lol
― how's life, Thursday, 16 October 2014 13:48 (nine years ago) link
lmao imagining kids attempting to get their grandparents to write letters on behalf of video games
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:55 (nine years ago) link
Steve Hogarty @misterbrilliant · 23h 23 hours agoAll #gamergate had to do to marginalise women in the industry was sit perfectly still. Things were pretty shitty for women to start out with
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:29 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
false flag natch
sounds more like a black flag op
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:12 (nine years ago) link
it is rare that occam's razor argues so hard in favour of false flag. it would be so much easier for me to believe that this is all the product of conspiracy or just irony or trolling than it is the sincere opinions of real ppl with some degree of capacity for rational thought. i guess i am just naive. i guess my heart is just too big for this world #cardiomegaly
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:15 (nine years ago) link
people never understand Occam's razor
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:17 (nine years ago) link
is that the most obvious explanation tho?
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link
who doesn't understand occam's razor? is that the same ppl who don't understand rhetoric or different ppl?
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0FBWe0CEAA4Cao.png
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
lonely guy, thinking baout #GamerGate
― Barry Gordy (Neil S), Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link
lonely guy just investigating baout games
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:43 (nine years ago) link
omg lol
*hi five*
― Barry Gordy (Neil S), Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:43 (nine years ago) link
nice, very nice
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link
xpost would post my character high-fiving yours but they used up all the precious kilobytes so you could play as a GIRL
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link
http://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-man-who-sparked-gamergate-regrets-the-harassment-but-say#1fte2i0
― Terrific ribbon, Moe (stevie), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:13 (nine years ago) link
perfect url
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link
“I don’t, like, have a passion for games or anything,” he told BuzzFeed News.
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:31 (nine years ago) link
Asked what he would say to women who have been terrified by death threats and anonymous harassment, Gjoni said, “I can’t deny my letter was the spark. I guess I feel compelled to offer an apology to them. But also I don’t know how to do that without taking the responsibility away from people who are actually doing the harassment. But, I guess, let me know how I can make it up to you?”
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:33 (nine years ago) link
more like, said while confusedly scratching the top of his head with one hand while idly tugging on his scrotum with the other
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link
harder to do than it sounds
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link
this made me lol for some reason
If I could go back in time and tell myself not to do this. I wouldn’t. That is, I wouldn’t tell myself not to. Because it’s for the best.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link
possibly because it's fucking stupid
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link
“I spent the better part of a month planning all contingencies,” he told BuzzFeed News. “I gave this outcome an exceedingly low probability.”
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:41 (nine years ago) link
lmao for srs m8 wow
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link
The math checks out. Culture war: 0.4% probability.
― jmm, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link
*ponders time travel and the nature of regret*
― lag∞n, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link
We spend so much time making fun of these guys for being dependent upon their moms and here we have ironclad evidence that if at least one of them had been more dependent upon his mom, this whole shitstorm wouldn't have happened.
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:50 (nine years ago) link
Real friends don't tell friends to write blog posts whining about their failed relationships
― Nhex, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
seriously
― anonanon, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
9,000 words is 20 pages single-spaced.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link
Gjoni, who emigrated with his parents from Albania when he was 6, had been recruited to the position while he was still in college. Recently, his supervisors noticed that he looked haggard and wasn’t getting much work done, and asked him if he wanted to resign. Gjoni said yes.
“Internet warfare takes a surprising amount of dedication,” he said. Indeed, Gjoni, despite his protestations that he wrote thezoepost for ethical reasons unrelated to gaming, seems unable to leave the cause his writing sparked alone. He admits to regularly advising GamerGate leaders, and seems to take some pride in the power he claims to exert over the movement, as well as over the effect the movement has had on gaming journalism.
“I’ve had to…keep it from splitting the earth in two,” he said.
you deluded arrogant incoherent narcissist
― goole, Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:47 (nine years ago) link
like, even if he did feel he owed the world something to warn against someone else being emotionally manipulated or w/e he could have just made his point in two sentences
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
"Hey y'all, my ex cheated on me; avoid her" <--- see, you can do it in one sentence
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:54 (nine years ago) link
he's very 24
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link
Part of this belief seems to stem from his assertion that “thezoepost” was not a misogynistic character assassination, as it has been painted online, but a “callout post” detailing Quinn’s purported misdeeds and hypocrisies as an emblem of social justice. Indeed, Gjoni told BuzzFeed News, as he has written elsewhere, that he considers himself a social justice advocate.
that was the sense I got from his screed--that it was mostly about knocking his ex off an SJ pedestal
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:00 (nine years ago) link
that is a very generous reading
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:02 (nine years ago) link
it was a revenge blog about an ex attacking her at the angle he thought would hurt her mostI don't see how that's a charitable reading
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link
it implies thought, which is a charitable thing to grant to this dummy
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link
and it implies his logic makes any sense whatsoever
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:44 (nine years ago) link
the constant need to find contradictions in others by dredging through minutiae is not how you relate to other humans
it's how "internet discourse" works for a lot of people, line-by-line microanalysis of every choice of word and particle.
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:46 (nine years ago) link