they couldve paid him less and still retained him because no one was gonna give him nearly that much
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
i dunno i think kobe had the leverage actually
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link
really tell me whos gonna sign kobe to that kind of money
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:00 (ten years ago) link
nyets wd find a way
― to BRR! is humane (m bison), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:01 (ten years ago) link
Forcing him to take less money would be an implicit acknowledgment that management believes he's cooked (which doesn't look good for either side) unless Kobe made a statement that he was 'taking less money so that we can be competitive in the free agent market'
Think how likely it would be for Kobe to admit that
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:02 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:00 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
if i'm arguing this from kobe's side i say "look, someone will definitely pay kobe 2/35. are you prepared to tell your fans that you let the most beloved player of the last 30 years walk over $13 million?"
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:03 (ten years ago) link
i wouldn't exactly say it's "savvy." the savvy business decision would be to figure out how to make tons of money and still put your team in a place to win games.
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
Can you think of a way though. I mean let's say you force Kobe to a under 20 million contract (unlikely) or just let Kobe walk (extremely unlikely). What are your other options for next season. Who are the big FA's on the market?
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:03 (ten years ago) link
that zach lowe column spells it out nicely
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:05 (ten years ago) link
they probably will not be able to sign kevin love, for instance
my guess is that the lakers are banking on being able to do some Crazy Laker Shit because a superstar wants to force a trade there in the next few years
I think Lowe's column assumes they won't be willing to take luxury tax hits
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:05 (ten years ago) link
its free agents for the next TWO offseasons youre wiffing on fwiw, kevin love la native who doesnt like his team comes to mind
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:06 (ten years ago) link
the lakers did this deal because they are kobes bitch is what it comes down to m/l
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link
Who's gonna sign Love to a 22 million a year contract?
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:08 (ten years ago) link
what do they do after this contract is up, is kobe going to retire, not if he can still walk, shd they sign him to the biggest contract in the league then too
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:09 AM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark
yeah this is kinda the more interesting question
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link
retires and becomes the coach like j kidd
They'll cross that road when they get there
Who's the big FA coming up in 15-16? LBJ if he doesn't take his player option. Who else?
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:10 (ten years ago) link
why does dayo write like bill plaschke now
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:10 (ten years ago) link
lol
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:09 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
its not the more interesting question, its exactly the same question, i assume if you guys are in favor of wildly overpaying kobe now then youre also in favor of doing it in two years too
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:11 (ten years ago) link
By the end of this contract we'll have a lot of data on how good Kobe is after coming back from injury. If he stinks, giving him a more reasonable contract will be more justifiable from everybody's perspective
You could argue why didn't the Lakers just do that this year. True, but probably the longer you wait the more pissed off you'll make Kobe. And he runs that town
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:12 (ten years ago) link
― 乒乓, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:08 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
anyone with $22m
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:14 (ten years ago) link
lakers despite their ability to attract any and all free agents are cooked im guessing, their management is just too incompetent now
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:17 (ten years ago) link
the knicks west
Who is bill plaschke
I blame my iPhone
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
lakers were dumb to do this move, p sure fans in LA wd get over any affront to kobe once they started winning again
― to BRR! is humane (m bison), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
like kobe get that paper dude, but lakers are like....punting here
― to BRR! is humane (m bison), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:20 (ten years ago) link
lakers have missed the playoffs like twice in the last 25 years, their fans are soo spoiled, the meltdown shd be fun
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:17 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:17 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
i agree w/ this 100%
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link
i think it will be interesting to see if the clippers can capitalize on this longterm
id like to see kobe booed at home before this is all over
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:23 (ten years ago) link
crazy both the nbas signature franchises are being run by idiot heirs
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:25 (ten years ago) link
#america and all
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:26 (ten years ago) link
I dunno. The Lakers over invested in their hall of famer on a short term contract. Not in Dolan's league.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link
theres more track record than that to go on
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:28 (ten years ago) link
On the other hand Dolan's dad has as many titles as JD has
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
Knicks have won two titles in their history and yet are Americas highest grossing and most valuable franchise
Meanwhile the celtics were on life support in the mid 00s until they pulled off the big three coup
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
for instance if you look at last years team past their top four it was very telling at how bad theyve been at filling out their roster, they still had the old laker magic as far as attracting stars but signing the right role players or drafting useful players late in the draft, forget about it
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
the knicks are just valuable because theyre in americas largest wealthiest city its not that hard to figure out
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link
Yes that's exactly my point. Lakers too
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:31 (ten years ago) link
― polyphonic, Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:30 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
jd started managing the team soon after cablevision bought it iirc fyi
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:33 (ten years ago) link
i thought yr point was that the lakers omg need kobe to rake in the $$$
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:35 (ten years ago) link
I'm just saying the lakers operate in the stratosphere where the only other team operating is the Knicks. They have the financial flexibility and cushion to throw good money after bad. If they think they can make some big FA signings even w Kobe's contract on the books they will. They're not the Thunder
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:35 (ten years ago) link
they will not make a big free agent signing with kobe on the books cause no major free agent wants to play on a team thats not going to win and filling one of yr max slots w a non max player is a sure way not to win, theyll prob sign a second tier free agent to a huge contract and suck lol
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:37 (ten years ago) link
come join our tenth place team youre just what we need to put us over the top kevin love
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:38 (ten years ago) link
James harden come play for us
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link
o man harden on this lakers team would be pretty perfect
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
Which makes him unlike buss sr who guided his team to many many titles, yes
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link
The real test is to see if the lakers can do the equivalent of agreeing to eddy curry and Jerome James contracts and still maintain their position as second most valuable franchise in the country
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:44 (ten years ago) link