eh? Where's Trio? as soon as I saw the thread title I knew thats what I'd vote for.
― Sandy Blair, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 05:09 (sixteen years ago) link
I suppose Jethro Tull epics are coming next...maybe Gentle Giant and Van Der Graf Generator soon to follow
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 05:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Gentle Giant epics, heh.
Trio's only 5.5 minutes and imh doesn't really qualify as an epic. Drawing a line is the biggest problem with subjective polls like these.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 05:19 (sixteen years ago) link
just know that whatever we vote for, Robert Fripp still doesn't approve of us
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 05:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Fripp approves of three things: 1. A series of dot points, covering arguments that probably overlap; 2. each of those dot points being broken down into (a) subpoints like this (b) and this (c) and this, and sometimes (i) going (ii) even (iii) further; and 3. using exubriciously long words in order to portevey the overlanguible impression that he is hypererudite and therefore knows what the fuck he's banging on about.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 05:25 (sixteen years ago) link
"We're not talking about Discipline tonight."
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 05:27 (sixteen years ago) link
He goes on a lot about "using music" too. Good luck to him, but until music can fix my car it stays on the stereo.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 05:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Ah shit, now the document I'm writing is all coming out in Frippspeak. "You may wish to invoke the application by selecting the 'Login' option from the rightmost menu bar."
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 05:32 (sixteen years ago) link
"I thought this was Columbia University"
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 05:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Fortunately any intellectual argument with Fripp can be won by saying "whose wife went on I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here?"
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 05:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I feel like some huge structured improv is missing from this list. Or an improv that was later layered in the studio. I mean 'Starless and Bible Black' made the list.
― CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 08:08 (sixteen years ago) link
these days, larks' tongue IV is geting a lot of spins. fripp's solo on that one is ludicrously good.
― m the g, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 08:53 (sixteen years ago) link
"Court Of The Crimson King". No doubt.
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 09:55 (sixteen years ago) link
"Starless," y'all!
― JN$OT, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 10:58 (sixteen years ago) link
-- CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 19:08 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link
That was a mistake, sorry.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 12:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I would have voted for "Exiles", but it's not on here (deserves to be).
― Joe, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 17:30 (sixteen years ago) link
starless
― akm, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 18:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Exiles is a great tune.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 18:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes, it's pretty much between "21st Century" and "Starless". I voted for the former, because it is pretty damn flawless and very inventive (plus, it's maybe the only song where Peter Sinfield's lyrics were actually good :) ).
― Joe, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 18:53 (sixteen years ago) link
I still haven't voted yet BECAUSE I CAN'T. So much of this is so incredibly good.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 01:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Larks Tongues part 1=\m/ \m/
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 01:13 (sixteen years ago) link
This is a tough one--Sailor's Tale & Fracture come close, but the winner on this list MUST be Larks Tongues' I.... the winner not on this list is "...Is There Life Out There?", the most massive improv on the Great Deceiver box.
― Sparkle Motion, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 06:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Should be a separate poll for KC impros inc. most of Thrakattack.
― Autumn Almanac, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 09:35 (sixteen years ago) link
These songs have a studio or live version 9:00 or longer. I tried to pick ones that could be considered epic. There's several versions of some of these songs but I'm referring to the longest versions. These songs aren't really improvs even though some of them have noodling.
69-74 Mars (9'42) - early incarnation of "The Devil's Triangle" A Man, A City (12'21) - early incarnation of "Pictures of a City" Travel Weary Capricorn (11'06) Get Thy Bearings (18'10) Groon (17'49) The Creator has a Master Plan (15'26) Trees (18'41) ...It is for you, but not for us (9:10)
80s Indiscipline (live at Cap D'Agde - 12'31)
90s Monster Jam (8'38) Tony's Jam from the Nashville Rehearsals (12'59)
00s The Deception Of The Thrush (11'10) Virtuous Circle (10'00) Zoom (22'03)
I don't have beef with this poll because I don't think these songs are as great as most of the others in the poll and most people haven't heard these songs anyways (and I don't know if all the ones I listed have that epic quality to them). Anyways, if you are a collector you should at least find versions of the 68-74 songs on this list because they are jamtastic to say the least.
― CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 12:06 (sixteen years ago) link
by the way, my tag on slsk is Thrakk most the time. Maybe some of yall seen me around.
― CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 28 November 2007 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― ILX System, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 00:01 (sixteen years ago) link
ok whoever just voted for 'the construkction of light' just voted for a song which contains the lines
"And what am I? A speck of lint On the penis of an alien"
which are the worst lines in the history of music. i hope you're proud.
― Just got offed, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 00:08 (sixteen years ago) link
The vocoder use on those later albums is pretty much unforgivable.
― Nate Carson, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link
All the love for the Red album is interesting, in a good way.
― Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Better the vocorder than Belew's actual singing.
― Sparkle Motion, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link
I can live with these results. I voted Starless.
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link
I spun Starless at my Dj night last night. Gave me a new respect for that track.
― Nate Carson, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 01:00 (sixteen years ago) link
The album version of Starless sucks. Seriously, the sax aint no good on it.
― CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 01:30 (sixteen years ago) link
The improv - The Rich Tapestry of Life (29:49) - '72 is quite good
― CaptainLorax, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 23:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Which collector's club obscurity am I going to have to torrent for that one?
― Sparkle Motion, Thursday, 27 March 2008 01:09 (sixteen years ago) link
1972 - 10 - 17 the beat club, bremem kccc03
― CaptainLorax, Thursday, 5 February 2009 05:17 (fifteen years ago) link
One More Red Nightmare 0
huh?
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 May 2009 06:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, the lyrics are kinda silly, even for Crimson.
― Three Word Username, Friday, 15 May 2009 08:41 (fourteen years ago) link
lyrix are overrated
― billstevejim, Saturday, 16 May 2009 02:17 (fourteen years ago) link
agreed
― Mulvaney, Saturday, 16 May 2009 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link
I want to correct myself here
The album version of Starless sucks. Seriously, the sax aint no good on it. ― (2 years ago) CaptainLorax
These songs have a studio or live version 9:00 or longer. I tried to pick ones that could be considered epic. there's several versions of some of these songs but I'm referring to the longest versions. These songs aren't really improvs even though some of them have noodling. - (1 year ago) CaptainLorax
― stop assuming I assumed something LOL (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link
"the devil's triangle" is fucking awesome / was robbed in this poll
― kamerad, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Starless is basically the greatest fucking thing ever made right up until that fucken saxophone kicks back in (at 9:11). It's still good after that, but the build-up into that alarm-tone guitar deserves a far, far greater payoff. What a build-up, though - just incredible music
Weirdly, my favourite song of all time, Moon In June, employs a similar-feeling break to that at 9:11 of this song, but manages to make it revelatory - it just doesn't fit here imo
― imago, Thursday, 20 February 2014 00:24 (ten years ago) link
KC has some real good epics. It's been posted before, but this is a killer take on "In the Court of the Crimson King". The spanish trumpet on it would make this seem like a tune Gil Evans could have done a killer version or place in a Spaghetti Western or Dirty Harry soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX-aPJ6AB4w
― earlnash, Thursday, 20 February 2014 00:28 (ten years ago) link
Starless is basically the greatest fucking thing ever made /right up until/ that fucken saxophone kicks back in (at 9:11). It's still good after that, but the build-up into that alarm-tone guitar deserves a far, far greater payoff. What a build-up, though - just incredible music.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 20 February 2014 04:20 (ten years ago) link
That live clip floating around of "Starless" on French TV features a pretty gnarly violin solo, still think I prefer the sax from the album version though. Pays me off just fine. Pretty cool that Mel Collins is back in the band, but the inclusion of Jakko feels kind of "Cruise to the Edge" to me, I dunno, desperately hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
― sheesh, Friday, 21 February 2014 07:48 (ten years ago) link
starlussssssssaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNDD
― j., Wednesday, 14 October 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link
Only one vote for Fracture? what the fuck people
― ultros ultros-ghali, Thursday, 15 October 2015 20:38 (eight years ago) link
I don't actually consider "Red" an epic -- just a really good KC song. "Starless and Bible Black" either, just a long improv.
― Dominique, Thursday, 15 October 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link
peak moment of all KC for me: when the fast section of Starless stops, Fripp restates the slow melody from the opening of the song-- and Wetton's picked bass just comes roaring in on that one repeated note like a fucking land whale
do do deeeeeeeedo do do do do deeee
do do do BROMMMM BROMMMM BROMMMM BROM BROM BROM BROM
― banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 15 October 2015 21:23 (eight years ago) link
sorry it's not Fripp but the sax that Wetton is responding to. 11:27. Are you fucking kidding me with that bass.
― banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 15 October 2015 21:29 (eight years ago) link
It's funny that the climax of the prog-est tune ever is just hammering on a single note. Adam Clayton could play it.
― 29 facepalms, Thursday, 15 October 2015 22:05 (eight years ago) link
Weston is such a brute on these records, it's incredibly beneficial
― banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 15 October 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link
Wetton
being a nerd with much free time in college allowed me to transcribe this song. It may have caused me to hate the middle section for a time too
http://dominiqueleone.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/IMG_3982.jpg
― Dominique, Friday, 16 October 2015 00:15 (eight years ago) link
fucking land whale
otm
― j., Friday, 16 October 2015 00:46 (eight years ago) link
I really love the Unthanks version of "Starless"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTEqXH9dB2g
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Friday, 16 October 2015 00:46 (eight years ago) link
Definitely Fracture.
― jmm, Friday, 16 October 2015 02:24 (eight years ago) link
Send good thoughts to Wetton -- he's pretty poorly.
― Three Word Username, Friday, 16 October 2015 06:44 (eight years ago) link
would still edit out 9:11-10:28 of the song, cut straight from the wonky alarm bit back to the faster screaming guitars. we don't need a sax solo
― twunty fifteen (imago), Friday, 16 October 2015 07:39 (eight years ago) link
you have no idea what you need
― j., Friday, 16 October 2015 13:08 (eight years ago) link
i need perfection
― twunty fifteen (imago), Friday, 16 October 2015 13:09 (eight years ago) link
god plays the soprano saxophone, my friend
― j., Friday, 16 October 2015 13:23 (eight years ago) link
under certain circumstances, for sure, but there are times when one might prefer to hear a guitarist and a bassist devouring one another
― twunty fifteen (imago), Friday, 16 October 2015 13:25 (eight years ago) link
The soprano saxophone is the worst instrument on Earth.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 16 October 2015 13:39 (eight years ago) link
Unless it's in the hands of Evan Parker.
― schlep and back trio (anagram), Friday, 16 October 2015 14:35 (eight years ago) link
or Lora Logic
― Mark G, Friday, 16 October 2015 15:03 (eight years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 16 October 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
Cancer.
― Three Word Username, Friday, 16 October 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
or lol coxhill
― rushomancy, Friday, 16 October 2015 20:12 (eight years ago) link
Are you fucking kidding me with that bass
― j., Sunday, 21 August 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link
Otm
― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Monday, 22 August 2016 11:07 (seven years ago) link
is "One More Red Nightmare" possibly the most danceable King Crimson tune?
the weird clapping sound kinda drives it
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 June 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link
The verses and chorus are in 4/4, but the clapping part is in some form of triple time, so I guess the dancers could start waltzing then?
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 12 June 2021 18:05 (two years ago) link
― Sandy Blair, Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:09 AM bookmarkflaglink
agree with it not being an epic as it's too short, but holy wow, what a beautiful piece of music.
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 July 2021 20:47 (two years ago) link
Cirkus AND Larks 1 got played live last night, of course the night I'm not there. and they're two songs in a rotation that they've been swapping out
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 July 2021 20:48 (two years ago) link