Why is classic rock radio the way it is?

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I don't like classic rock, so I don't listen to those stations, so it's not a problem at all. Why must you mention the Foo Fighters anyway. They have nothing to do with this. I didn't even mention them.

Aja (aja), Saturday, 6 December 2003 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Tad, honor the Foo-re!

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 6 December 2003 22:38 (twenty years ago) link

actually, it's UNLEASH THE FUCKING FOO-REE!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 6 December 2003 22:42 (twenty years ago) link

What's Foo- ree?

Aja (aja), Saturday, 6 December 2003 22:44 (twenty years ago) link

The classic rock station here (Atlanta) is playing "Paint It Black." I think this is one of the earliest songs on its playlist.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 6 December 2003 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

the classic rock songs played by classic rock radio are not on the playlist strictly because they were once hits...that certainly helps, but the one determining factor for making the playlist is how the songs do on the auditorium test. Here's a good article on how auditorium research works: (scroll all the way to the bottom)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/showcase/chi-020414radio-station-list,0,4376289.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Here's another reasonably accurate article:
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/investing/20001005d.asp?prodtype=grn

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 December 2003 23:34 (twenty years ago) link

"But at least the format is based in something that once was cool, and may still be by some standards. Any radio station that still plays Hendrix isn't completely top-to-bottom evil. I mean, at least it's playing something that once meant something to somebody, and there are certainly still listeners out there who are old enough to appreciate that music for what it once was." -Kenan

I disagree Kenan. Free-form Fm radio is/was cool but classic rock has always been just an evil marketing formula. You're never gonna hear Little Richard, Buddy Holly, New York Dolls, Velvet Underground,Stooges, anything from Nuggets, just the stuff that business types decided would be appreciated by boomers. I think it's sad that the artists I've mentioned are not considered "classic" by
way too many Americans. Sure lots of the artists on classic rock radio are worthy, but the format has created a narrow canon that should be wider. Yea, I know it's commercial radio but still. Here in the DC area I don't have a college radio station I can pick up in my car, so if I want to hear old rock I end up listening to "oldies" radio instead.

Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Sunday, 7 December 2003 06:11 (twenty years ago) link

"The classic rock station here in the DC area might be unique. I've heard early grunge and hair metal (!) songs recently while flipping through, so I think on that station any rock older than ten years or so is fair game."-Vinnie

Any rock older than ten years on that station is not fair game, just safe major label album rock. I was a college radio dj in the early '80s, when do I get my music nostalgia--I wanna hear the Replacements and Minutemen and Husker Du. I guess I have to settle for Mtv pop-punkers and the Strokes utilizing early 80s non-"classic" sounds.

Steve Kiviat (Steve K), Sunday, 7 December 2003 06:26 (twenty years ago) link

Someone needs to seriously start spiking the punch at those auditorium testings. They sound nightmarish.

Call me old-fashioned (haha, I'm 23 for chrissakes!), but what ever happened to tastemakers? I work part-time in wine retail, and my girlfriend works in a record store -- believe me, people *want* tastemakers. They *appreciate* being guided (not patronized) helpfully by enthusiastic folks who love what they do and what they know. Radio stations lack balls. I realize that they make a ton of money -- or, rather, they make Clear Channel a ton of money -- but that's a ridiculously conservative way to run a business. How is it in any way scientifically sound to play to people in a room a bunch of shit they've already been force-fed their whole lives -- by RADIO nonetheless! Doesn't that strike anyone as odd and sort of viciously circular?

Clarke B., Sunday, 7 December 2003 06:45 (twenty years ago) link

"People still dig 'Do You Feel Like I Do' -- 0.2 points higher than last years average -- let's spin it eleven times a day rather than the current nine, effective tomorrow morning."

Clarke B., Sunday, 7 December 2003 06:47 (twenty years ago) link

haha- I love "Do You Feel Like We Do"! you reminded me of that song = I think I'm gonna fire it up right now (on mp3 where I have it, not lp, mind you). But yes, in all seriousness, of course I take your point.

Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 7 December 2003 06:51 (twenty years ago) link

98.5 WNCX -- Cleveland's Classic Rock, approx 2:30 a.m.

Kashmir
Lunatic Fringe
Already Gone

Does Lunatic Fringe get played anywhere else?

weather!ngda1eson, Sunday, 7 December 2003 07:42 (twenty years ago) link

it's big midwestern song, I don't think it gets played much outside a certain type of classic rocker in the midwest but I'm sure there are exceptions. J.D. Blackfoot (referenced above) is another one. KSHE in St. Louis is big on these; I believe they were the first station to champion Blackfoot. Here are some stories on the KSHE phenomenon:

http://rockclassics.tripod.com/rftartcl.html
http://jdblackfoot.tripod.com/jdarticl.html (blackfoot's page)
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/MUSICSONGS/ksheclassics.html

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 7 December 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

I usually hear the classic rock radio station turned on as background music in places like thrift stores. More than other radio formats, classic rock/oldies/"nostalgia"-oriented stations seem directed at filling background music purposes.

Dogs in the Mist, Sunday, 7 December 2003 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

i thought it's for people listening in cars on their way to/from work

amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 7 December 2003 16:12 (twenty years ago) link

You're talking about Tom Cochrane/Red Rider's "Lunatic Fringe"? It's inescapable in Canada, where he's from.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 7 December 2003 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

eleven years pass...

What could classic rock radio play more of? I like my local station, but I have heard the O'Jays and Al Green on there, but no Curtis Mayfield, for example. I also never hear Joni Mitchell. You can occasionally hear blues artists, too. What do you think they could play more of, esp. black artists? I noticed they play Talking Heads and The Clash, too.

I'm heavy into this genre right now but sick if the formula so I make my own "classic rock" playlists that I spike with stuff that I feel fits in with the genre.

NO CLOO (I M Losted), Thursday, 26 February 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link

My local classic rock wouldn't get near O'Jays or Al Green, so consider yourself fortunate. Heads and Clash are a rarity, if at all. When I listen (almost never) it's Zep/Petty/Eagles/Doors/REO/CCR/Seger/Skynyrd 24/7.

Losing swag by the second (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:43 (nine years ago) link

The one in my area is horrendous; there's as much Bon Jovi, Stone Temple Pilots, and hair metal as there is Zep, Aerosmith etc. The only Black artists the station plays are Hendrix, Living Colour (and only "Cult of Personality") and War (and only "Low Rider") (and not very often).

The only point in their favor is the occasional bizarre curveball: Lou Reed's "New Sensations" (heard this a week before he died, so it wasn't a deep-cut tribute) and a Richard Thompson song I couldn't identify.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:49 (nine years ago) link

We have a hard rock station competing with the classic rocker, so that's where the hair metal has gone locally.

Last 4 artists played on classic rock: Queen, Seger, Triumph, Aeorsmith
Hard rock: Black Keys, Soundgarden, Cult, Foo Fighters

Pretty sure our classic rocker doesn't even include "Walk On The Wild Side" let alone "New Sensations."

Losing swag by the second (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 26 February 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link

I'm in Chicago - we get "Walk on the Wild Side". The Drive is pretty good but I think they could play more black artists instead of post-grunge crap.

NO CLOO (I M Losted), Friday, 27 February 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link

very weird how stone temple pilots have somehow entered the classic rock radio canon

marcos, Friday, 27 February 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link

"Lamentations about the state of commercial radio have become so standard over the last few decades that they have achieved something of the rote tedium the critics ascribe to the medium itself: how radio consultants -- led by [Lee Abrams], creator of the album-oriented rock and classic rock formats -- have taught station programmers to slice and dice their playlists to appeal more precisely to specific demographics; how more and more stations have come to play fewer and fewer songs," reported the New York Times in an article entitled "One Way to Get Radio Play: Do It Yourself," published in 2006.

Paradoxically, Abrams was hired by XM satellite radio supposedly because the formats and trends he popularized at FM had resulted in playlists with no innovation or variety.

http://www.dickdestiny.com/blog/2008/03/la-times-company-hires-man-who-ruined.html

curmudgeon, Friday, 27 February 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I listened to "Court and Spark" today and wondered why classic rock radio doesn't play "Help Me". Surely "Free Man in Paris" would sound great on a classic rock station!

NO CLOO (I M Losted), Monday, 16 March 2015 01:03 (nine years ago) link

Toronto's Q107 does play it.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 16 March 2015 01:35 (nine years ago) link


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