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!?!!!!!!!!!!?? jeepers creepers is classic!!!

3, Saturday, 16 July 2005 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i even loved jc2

3, Saturday, 16 July 2005 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic how? The crappy premise? The inexcusable plot? The boring villain? The lamest ending I've ever seen?

From what I've heard of JC2, it might well be better. But the first was so bad that I'm not likely to ever see it.

Scream! Scrovula, Scream! (noodle vague), Saturday, 16 July 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a high tolerance for crappy horror, and rarely dislike it, but I thought JC was dreadful, and the sequel was worse.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 16 July 2005 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

In my state of mind (i.e. always favoring films I've seen in the last few months), my top 10'd probably include:

Sans soleil (Chris Marker)
Desperate Living (John Waters)
Land of Silence and Darkness (Werner Herzog)
Trash (Paul Morrissey)
Au hasard Balthazar (Robert Bresson)
The Life and Death of 9413, a Hollywood Extra (Robert Florey & Slavko Vorkapich)
Pulse (Kiyoshi Kurosawa)
Crime Wave (John Paizs)
The Mortal Storm (Frank Borzage)
Europa '51 (Roberto Rossellini)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 16 July 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

jeepers creepers was like watching 2/3 of a good horror movie in random order

jones (actual), Saturday, 16 July 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Ilxors be mostly hating most of the films I like, especially Donnie Darko, Napoleon Dynamite and Amelie.

I think Donnie Darko is still my favorite film. I wanted to like Napoleon Dynamite more than I did. I'm seeing Amelie soon.


the best movie ever though is princ3ss raccoon. this is a fact.

I can't wait to see this.


Also, add Love, Actually and Closer to my least favorite recent movies.

sleep (sleep), Saturday, 16 July 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.twitchfilm.net/pics/racoon.jpg

i think dan perry will go into a coma after seeing this movie

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Martin and jones on the money. I'm a crappy horror film fan, and the first 30 minutes or so of Jeepers Creepers are really good, before it turns into The Hitcher meets Godzuki and ruins your evening.

Scream! Scrovula, Scream! (noodle vague), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

my least favorite movies are easy.

1. hook
2. parenthood
3. pay it forward
4. american beauty
5. anything by neil labute
6. anything by ed burns
7. true lies
8. rain man

that's enough.

i did my faves somewhere else. on another thread somewhere. over the edge is my favorite movie of all-time. not the BEST movie of all-time. just my favorite. then days of heaven. then i can't remember. there are so many.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

"see also: preminger's angel face w/jean simmons and robert mitchum."

"Which was on TCM about.... oh, two hours ago."

Ha! we watched that this morning. you gotta love that ending.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah i guess in the company of men is another of my least favorite movies

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

true lies????

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

it had a foul odor.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

on the flip side, looooooooove the long kiss goodnight.don't ask me why i connect the two. and i'm not a cameron-hater. love t, t2, titantic, abyss, etc.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

well, no, i know why i connect the two. suburban spy stories, duh.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

true lies
two weeks notice
pootie tang
arabian nights
masculin feminin
listen to britain
abc africa
carnal knowledge
lola
the store

long kiss goodnight is fantastic! i dunno, i think true lies is priceless, jumping a horse, swimming w gasoline, and anticipatory! but im wistful, its part of a big group of r movies i ws 1st able to go to if moms bot the tix, the kind i dont think are made anymore

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

also, the other night i ws trying to think if there were any decent action movies w female leads after maybe aliens? long kiss goodnight counts at least!

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

there ws a brief postlast crusade midnineties period where it ws more impt to go to a theater w dynamite sound loud sdss dolby digi, than a digital projecter or dvdready or whatever, a laserdisc time and i miss that time so much

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

also, i take back my list its unromantic. i need to think abt it more. amateurist on the rt track re melodramas. i love now voyager and imitation of life and way down east almost wo reservation. also deep cover

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

yipes here we go [again] [regrets to soon follow]

10. The Miracle of Morgan's Creek / This Is Spinal Tap
9. West Side Story
8. Drunken Master II
7. His Girl Friday
6. The Big Sleep
5. The Wages of Fear
4. Singin' in the Rain
3. Nostalghia
2. Big Trouble in Little China
1. Young Frankenstein

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

10 faves:

Vertigo
Sunset Blvd
Double Indemnity
High and Low
Singin' in the Rain
Sunrise
Full Metal Jacket
Ali: Feat Eats the Soul
Crumb
Dog Day Afternoon

5 bad ones (not including obvious crap, e.g. jack frost (the keaton one)):

Kids
Buena Vista Social Club
Priest
Lost Highway
Mrs. Miniver

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

wrote this last night while very drunk, then woke to find I’d slapped my laptop closed w/o posting and gone to sleep. come to think, i don't know why i wrote it at all. but here goes.

shakespeare adaptations, in ruff and uninformed order

1. othello (welles, 60whatever) treats the text like shit (ie like any other screenplay), plus BLACKFACE, ie a "moor" not an actual african (let alone an african american). i've seen abt 2 mins of this and it ruled.

2. ran (kurosawa, 80s): i really feel for the cast & crew in this one, waiting for hours in place until the clouds behind them shifted just so and the wind blew the grasses at their feet in the correct manner before doing a take. the private-ryanizing of war movies might make the bloody finale less special (haven't seen it since) which would suck.

3. my own private idaho (van sant, 90s) more ppl need to fuck around w/ henry iv, considering it's the underlying logic of tons of stuff, like dune (for instance) and also GWB... remember right wing learned types muttering sagely circa 01 abt W being the "hal presidency"?? fuckup lovable castoff scion + access to wisdom of several competing/mutually exclusive social sectors = perfect hero king. points off for keanu presence but van sant’s non-Sh tweaks are embodied by river phoenix and UDO KIER so there's no way this is bad. haven't seen it it years.

4. throne of blood (kurosawa, whenever): haven't seen it. placed high on 2's coattails.

5. lear (kozcincev [sp] whatever year) haven't seen it. it's probably great.

6. henry v (branagh, 90s): THIS FILM HAS BRIAN BLESSED IN IT YAAAAYYY!!

7. richard iii (olivier) where exactly did the "johnny rotten drew from this fillum" idea come from? haven't seen it, apart from the bits that julian temple lifts, which are pretty great.

8. hamlet (branagh, 90s): branagh's nazi ambition made good. pretty, funny, sexy, impressive. wish to erase all performance history before and after completely forgivable (what's the fucking point otherwise??) "heir to welles and olivier..." is their anything in freud about wanting to kill your grandfather, too??

9. shakespeare's romeo + juliet (luhrmann, 90s sometime). interestingly terrible. argued abt this a lot on ilx earlier w/ gravel puzzleworth, much more fun than the movie. irrevocable flaws maybe Sh's fault, ie R+J supposed to be (imaginatively) dicaprio/danes gorgeous...but embodied in film actuality this means you actually have to have dicaprio and danes play them which is a PROBLEM.

10. henry v (olivier, 45?) the "blitz henry." saw it very young and barely remember it.

11. 0 (someone, 90s) great idea! never seen it. ppl said it was dippy but the play's closed & stunted moral universe makes perfect sense in a high school, frankly, if you did it right.

12. othello (branagh, 90s i think) this was ok but nothing special.

13. much ado abt nothing (branagh 90s) same. worse than 12 cos of keanu.

14. hamlet (89? zeferelli) the mel gibson/glen glose one. "freudian" shit amped up beyond "revelatory" into "DO YOU SEE?!?!" gibson should have kept his murtaugh haircut since he kept his line readings.

15. tromeo and juliet (90s) bloody porny troma version that my dad insisted on talking to me about on several occasions 1996-present. maybe kind of entertaining but i've never seen it and can't have this in the top half, sorry.

16. hamlet (almareyda, 00s?) oh come on this has ethan hawke & liev schreiber in it and it's "modern day" give me a fucking BREAK. never seen it.

17. titus (taymor, late 90s) ehhh ok. taymor's commentary: "shk was like the tarantino of his day" that's a B- paper julie!!

18. richard iii (whoever, 90s) the ian mckellan nazi one. ditto, ian.

19. romeo and juliet (whoever, 40s??) the lionel barrymore one. i've never seen this and neither has anyone else now living.

20. romeo and juliet (zeferelli, 70s) responsible for more schoolchildren hating shakespeare than oliver cromwell could have dreamed. also: gratuitous tits and ass reinforcing idea that if said t/a exists in "cultural items" then you are prohibited from being turned on by/laughing at it. plus they're all wearing the same tights. nothing about this movie is good.

there are 29034857029384 other shakespeare films.

g e o f f (gcannon), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

trife otm abt 8mm, joaquin phx is great: "yo, he wants to know where the high school girls hang out"

g e o f f (gcannon), Saturday, 16 July 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

totally surprised finney likes 'the dreamers' but glad he does cos it's aces.

n_RQ, Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

singin in the rain is unstoppable. are there musicals quite as good? i remember some minnellis as disappointing but jesus i like some came running so much! also the band wagon. i guess its just an american in paris i ws unmoved by. add mccabe and mrs miller cuz its hilarious, and the big sleep, too, for that reason

surprised too, its problemmatic historiography but not all bad, not unsexy, the dreamers

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

16. hamlet (almareyda, 00s?) oh come on this has ethan hawke & liev schreiber in it and it's "modern day" give me a fucking BREAK. never seen it.

This one is surprisingly effective... and almost the complete antithesis of Luhrmann's R+J (which I also like).

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

geoff you shd see the ethan hamlet. some lyricism! eric otm! altho i dislike luhrmann

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Umberellas of Cherbourg, my favorite musical

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

oh to hell, today's list:


Come and See
The Elephant Man or Mulholland Dr.
Night of the Hunter
The Imitation of life
Barry Lyndon or 2001
Quiz Show
Safe
My Dinner with Andre
Pierrot le Fou
Code Unknown

unfaves

Royal Tennenabaums
American Beauty
i forget...

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

an off the top of my head 10 faves

1 fight club
2 the long goodbye
3 l'eclisse
4 mon oncle american
5 the conformist
6 eternal sunshine...
7 touch of evil
8 code unknown
9 where eagles dare
10 zoolander

n_RQ, Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

big up the Code Unknown!

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i really like the ethan hawke hamlet!

my fave musicals include: carmen jones, meet me in st louis, young girls of rochefort, gentlemen prefer blondes, and um ivan the terrible. the color sequence.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

some faves:

conan the barbarian
big lebowski
logan's run
sweet and lowdown
office space
gosford park
the new kid
the ister

some unfaves:
fight club
gladiator
garden state
working girl

g e o f f (gcannon), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

No one has mentioned Tommy among the great musicals! (Possibly this is because it is a terrible film, but I like it.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

i can't even tolerate the lp.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

haha! maybe ill pick up meet me in st louis for tonight, chirstmas in july. whats young girls of rochefort?

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

oh shit agnes varda! deneuve!

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Van Helsing is coming on TV in quarter of an hour, so from what I hear I may have a new one to list in a couple of hours, odds are on the least favourite list.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Ten I like a lot:

The Shop Around the Corner (Lubitsch)
The Lady Eve (Sturges)
Rope (Hitchcock)
Band of Outsiders (Godard)
Goodfellas (Scorsese)
Barton Fink (Coen)
Dazed and Confused (Linklater)
Chungking Express (Wong Kar-Wai)
Goodbye South Goodbye (Hou Hsiao-Hsien)
Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World (Weir)

o. nate (onate), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

It seems I have completely skipped over the '70s and '80s - but those were ten that came to mind.

o. nate (onate), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Tommy left me both un-high and un-dry.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

meet me in st louis

Probably my favorite musical, except for maybe "Spinal Tap".

o. nate (onate), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

it's my fave without question.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Judy Garland effortlessly rules over the earth, air, and sea. Is there any other musical in which she comes close to that performance?

o. nate (onate), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

33 otm, jeepers creepers classic

I have the ethan hawkes hamlet, spoils of war

safe
silent running
playtime
electra-glide in blue
[...]

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

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home alone
die hard
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cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

is home alone a like? i sure like it

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

of course!

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

why all the hate for fight club, doom generation, mulholland drive and american beauty?!?

nathalie's body's designed for two (stevie nixed), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link


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