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Yeah in the 80s,you mentioned Motor Boys Motor as an ancestor, and said you preferred them to Messiahs. What label is the new Coe on?

don, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I did??? Wow, you have a better memory than I do, Don. (Which may not be saying much. Though I do vaguely remember reviewing their sub-par second or third album in Creem.)

Rebel Meets Rebel is on Big Vin Records, which for all I know was invented just for this...

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, you mentioned it in a letter. I was like, "Gawsh! This new SBM is good!" And you were so,"Ehhh, I liked 'em better in Motor Boys Motor." Damn! ("Big Vin"? How classy. Prob named after somebody's [Big Vin's] favorite biker. Thanks)

don, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Big Vin is Dimebag's brother, Pantera's drummer and on the record you're talking about, whatever it is. Presumably, he's signing all the checks.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 04:31 (eighteen years ago) link

so...k. wilder, *caffeine & country music,* from either 2004 or 2005 depending on which URL you believe (cdbaby, which is rebooting now or i'd post a link -- hey, searching is easy you know) says 2005. her 2001 album *blue ridge dream* was coffee-shop blues-folk, tasteful and genteel, with tunes/grooves sometimes reminscent of slowed-down versions of "baby please don't go" or "house of the rising sun" (both about new orleans!), but i couldn't get into it. *caffeine & country music* is more tuneful, more shameless, weirder, and better. the big overriding concept, judging from the inner sleeve which recommends establishments (mostly mom-and-pop but also the starbuck's on melrose in l.a. -- a clue about who she hopes/hoped would market the album? and by the way its music totally would fit into the starbuck's aesthetic) around the country plus one in the United Arab Emirites, is COFFEE, mentioned not just in the somewhat hokey smalltown-music-theatre-style-country (think terry allen without the phD in foreign relations or whatever he's got and if he sounded like mary-chapin carpenter, who is definitely a reference point all over this album) title track but it a few other songs too; other tracks (for instance the also somewhat hokey love song "greatest surprise" where she seems to compare her man to french fries with ketchup, and it's a compliment, and the spoken-word shaggy-dog story closer "ms. willie may's biscuits," where attempts a vaguely irksome though no doubt well-meaning african-american dialect at the end) suggest k. wilder (who judging from photos is no spring chicken, but then neither am i, so good for her) spends a lot of her travel time in diners as well. So there's a certain small-town bohemian air to this thing; reminds of Vermont, though K. is apparently from Virginia (which might be similar to Vermont for all I know). She does two consecutive really really good songs about small towns - "Dime Box, Texas" then "Sylvatus," the latter of which doesn't name the state (like Springfield on the Simpsons!), but says the town's got one stoplight and the kids want to get the hell out of there to be a nurse and a trucker and a radio man; reminds me of a great article in the Sunday Times magazine I read a couple weeks ago about small towns in North Dakota being abandoned. Pretty soon, the old man who does a spoken part in that song says, there will be only him and his wife left, and they might not even have social security left to keep them company. Which is a politcal statement, obviously, as is the next song, "Sold Down the River," which starts out talking about "town to town, factories closing down," blaming it on jobs going overseas and learning Chinese, which might be interpreted as protectionist and maybe even xenophobic (hey, Chinese people need jobs too!) but is not necessarily inaccurate; mood of the song, oddly, reminds me a little of "I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts" by X, who also had their protectionist/xenophobic (at least in re: American Rock not British pop!) tendencies on *More Fun in the New World.* There's also a spoken part (K. calls some guy a tall glass of water) in the beginning of "Come Out and Dance," which then immediately turns into buffalo gals going round the outside and do-si-do-ing their partners. And there's a song (one of the album's more conventionally pop-rock-country) about a breakdown that turns out to be a about a car breaking down, and one about a hurricane that suggests that girls from south (like my better half, in her band; also Mary Chapin-Carpenter, in my her zydeco tribute "Down at the Twist and Shout" - though Mary may not actually be Southern per se, come to think of it - didn't she go to Brown University or something like that?) understand hurricanes a lot more than I do, since hurricanes were never part of my life.

Also listened this morning to local EP by Lorraine Leckie and her Demons -- pretty decent Hank Wiliams "Lost Highway" cover at the end which reminds me of the Mekons's version (though maybe they changed the name? On *Fear and Whiskey* I think) and definitely captures the cheating-on theme of the song well, though most of the EP is more goth-folk in a Tori/Sinead mode, interesting when the instruments stretch themselves into drones at ends of songs but still not really my cup of tea. I do like "Rainbow," though, which has an AC/DC riff and a catchy rapped chorus that's shouted and not detached, and hence rocks.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah, i should also mention that "Sylvatus" is not only my favorite track on the K. Wilder album, but also by far its *darkest* (and possibly its slowest) track. That almost NEVER happens with me. (Though her dark slow stuff on her previous album made me shrug.)

and okay, here's the cdbaby link, you lazybones:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/kwilder3

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

and that page actually places her whereabouts in florida, though she apparently spends plenty of time in virginia (and other places) as well, judging from her CDs and CD sleeves.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"small-town bohemian, reminds of Vermont, though K. is from Virginia": hey maan, we're ever'where. Sasha in May 1 New Yorker likes the music but is frustrated by "overly impressionistic" lyrics (and some mushy themes)on most of new Chicks, esp. since (almost?) all are co-writes, minus the detail etc. of excellent covers chosen for their previous albums.(I'd worried about that too; plus they seem to have re-recorded "I Hope" without Robert Randolph, judging by what Kevin C. said on countryuniverse a while back.) "For lesser artists, an album this harmonically confident would be a coup. In the case of the Dixie Chicks, it's disappointing, like watching Muhammad Ali hurt a man's feelings." Oooh! But maybe I'll like it better than he does, as has happened before. Dang.

don, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

first (or at least self-titled) (and, in the case of my copy, autographed) leanne womack album i bought in princeton a month or two ago makes me wonder (as i discussed way back at the start of this thread) why anybody ever thought she was anything but a pop-country singer to begin with. i mean, there is are "classic" country reference points in some of the slower songs (for instance the abandoned wife or maybe other-woman lament "am i the only thing that you've done wrong", an absolute heartbreaker), but no more than with most Nashville gals in the mid/late '90s, as far as my ears can tell. And "buckaroo" (another one of my favorites) and "you've got to talk to me" and "trouble's here" (which swipes alan jackson's surfy swampy "chatahoochie" riff) aren't much less bouncy than most shania twain. "a man with 18 wheels" is more wife-country, with a good "house that Peterbilt" pun and a mini Diddley beat; closer "Get Up in Jesus' Name" is a really energetic gospel rocker; "Montgomery to Memphis" (which i mentioned up above) has a really good lyric and less good music (i.e., no hook) to go with it. And Leanne looks totally adorable in pretty much all the photos in the inner sleeve.

True Brothers' *Wanted: Country Outlaw Tribute* is another good cdbaby country CD, with adequate-to-great obligatory covers of "Take This Job and Shove It," "You Never Even Called Me By My Name," "Just Good Old Boys," "Older Women," and (most suprisingly) the Swingin' Medallions "Double Shot of My Baby's Love" (one of my favorite songs in the world, though they don't make it sound like anywhere near as much a drunken frat party as the Medallions did; still, I love that they cover it at all and wonder if anybody else considers it country - where were the Medallions from, Memphis or somewhere? Louisiana? I forget). There are also some apparent covers of novelty songs I don't remember hearing before -- "Marie Laveau", a goofy Shel Silverstein song about looking as ugly as your mom or something, and "Rub It In," which appears to be mainly about suntan lotion and instructs you to rub it on their back and their sacroliliac. And the album closes with an original called "Country Outlaw Theme" where they talk about how their dad thought all country singers should be clean shaven with short hair, but then the True Bros (who are true bros, apparently) started listening to Willie and Waylon and Kinky and Bobby Bare after school, and now Big N Rich and Montgomery Gentry and Toby are "throwbacks" to the original outlaws. Not sure if anybody put it that way before, certainly not in a song.

What's weird is that on the cover of the *Wanted* album (from last year) the True Bros LOOK like hairy scraggly dirty outlaws, but on the cover of their *Hymns and Other Songs We Wrote Ourselves* from 2003 they look like super-clean-cut hee-hawing old-time country (preacher?) dorks in gold (lame'? what does lame' look like?) suits. So at first you think it's going to be a religious record, which it sometimes is, but then you notice there's a real good song about Dorian Gray ("based on the novel by Oscar Wilde") and a real good one about Jecklyl and Hyde and a real good one about how if you marry a banjo-pickin mama she might not do anything else but play banjo, not even cook. And others about getting married and dad getting buried next to a tree so he can be next to his wife for eternity. And other songs *are* Jesus songs, often talked like a rhyming sermon like that old deck-of-cards song (which might not have rhymed, come to think of it) and sometimes acapella (with Louvin/Delmore style brother harmonies); "Six Steps to Heaven" is my faovrite worship one so far, but there are 16 tracks (all fairly short) on the album, and I haven't really absorbed all of it. Instrumentation is fast catchy bluegrass, no showoff bullshit whatsoever. Most of the songs sound like forgotten old obscurities, but songwriting credits are mostly all "Jacky, Roger and Teresa True" except for "A Christmas Wish" by Ricky Dunn, and "missing You/Hats off to Web," which is said to be based on a Red Sovine tune.

Religon stuff on Albert Lee's new *Road Runner* (at least 75 percent a country CD, by an old rocker who appears to be born again or at least is doing a pretty good imitation of being born again) are a lot more reverent and boring. The stuff on the album I kind of like is the Junior Walker title cover, the Billy Burnette and Delbert McLinton songs that sort of sound like 1979 Dave Edmunds rockabilly but not as good, and the seven-minute instrumental guitar jam solo "Payola Blues." But even those I can take or leave, and the more reverent soft-rock (including numbers by Leo Kottke, Richard Thompson, and a horrible John Hiatt one called "Rock of Your Love", presumably from after Hiatt started sucking) are way too hard to get through. Ten Years After CD from last year was way, way more fun.

xhuxk, Thursday, 4 May 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

(and so was the alvin lee album last year, probably.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 4 May 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

always thought of the Swingin Medallions as being from Birmingham, I think that's right. "Rub It In" was a Top Forty hit down here in the early 70s; I wanna say it was by Billy Joe Royal, but think it was Billy or Joey Somebody Else. "Marie Laveau" was popular too; Bobby Bare? Think so. Always did seem like those current guys did want to be thought of as heirs to the Outlaws. (and Kid Rock looked real happy when Hank Jr. crooned about him as "my rebel son" on their Crossroads). But they might not like the word "throwbacks": throwbacks to something all bold and progressive? So they're really Wynton Marsalis? Well, he's good sometimes. Now all they gotta do is take turns conducting a Outlaw Studies lab band at Belmont U.(Which presented a student orchestra and bluegrass ensemble to back special guest Josh Turner on a Christmas special in 05.Not that Josh is an Outlaw, but the academy can't be far away from that aspect of country music practice; I 'magine Cultural Theorists are already on it.But, judging from your description, the True Brothers seem like they're keeping up, even/especially if home schooled.)

don, Friday, 5 May 2006 04:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Joel Whitburn's Top 40 book says Swingin' Medallions were from North Carolina (though the True Brothers' cdbaby page attributes "Double Shot" to Joe Stampley, who I never knew did a version of it), and also says that "Rub It In" went #16 pop for another North Carolinan, Billy "Crash" Craddock, in 1974 (odd, then, that I never consciouosly heard it before -- I wonder if it was more a regional hit?) True Brothers are North Carolinans too, it turns out. (And it also occurs to me that some of the songs they cover -- "Older Women," for one -- aren't really outlaw songs at all, or at least I sure never thought of them that way. Hell, "Younger Men" by K.T. Oslin is more outlaw than "Older Women," isn't it?) Here's the page:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/truebros2

xhuxk, Friday, 5 May 2006 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Probably slightly off topic but has the Richard Hawley album made it Stateside?

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 5 May 2006 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link

a couple other stray true brothers notes: *wanted,* their outlaw album, opens with another good rowdy original (at least i assume it's original; credited to "ricky dunn, jacky and teresa true") called "my witness is jack daniels" where the guy's defending himself against his wife, who's accusing him of cheating. and on their *hymns and other songs we wrote ourselves* (apparently, it turns out, explicitly a compilation of original songs, some previously released -- hence, the title), the *worst* (and sappiest, and most humorless) song is the one they didn't write themselves -- the bonus track "a christmas wish." two more that hit me that i didn't mention above are "let my childen go," a totally upbeat biblical parable about Israelites, the pharoah, and all kinds of different plagues (which they enumerate in detail) and "it wouldn't be the same," which has the weathered feel and melody of some old glen campbell or kris kristoferson ballad or something, or maybe "it never rains in southern california" by albert hammond.

two albums kicking my ass this morning that i found out about not through cdbaby, but through myspace of all places (nope, i don't have a page, and have no intention of getting one, but i figured out how to do the music search): victory brothers' *kowboyz de loz angeleez* (probably the best big n rich *horse of a different color* substitute I've ever heard including ones by big n rich, and now vying with leanne kingwell as my album of the year) and penny dale's *undaunted* (the best stevie nicks album i've ever heard by a country singer, probably, and an immediate 2006 top ten candidate.) lots to say about these two, eventually, but i'll hold off for now.

also really liking irma thomas's *after the rain* on rounder, the "rain" obviously being katrina, though i kind of hate the mooshy shelter-from-storm piano ballad the album ends with though i do hope it provides solace to new orleans. what i love so far is "flowers" (soul about flowers on roadsides after car crashes, with a sound that i swear reminds me of "uncle tom's cabin" by warrant), "make me a pallet on the floor" (cheating with a painter, wow), "till i can't take it anymore" (country music in a soul voice, about how "you work your thing so well/I dream of heaven and live here in hell"), "these honey dos" (vampy bawdy boogie woogie where the honey dos are at first temptations but wind up also being about manners like please and thank you), and "stone survivor" (which is just plain funky).

xhuxk, Friday, 5 May 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

And Irma also does an extremely gorgeous version of "I Count the Tears" (the "na-na-na-na-na-na late at night" song) by the Drifters..

xhxuk, Friday, 5 May 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

And she also does "Another Man Done Gone," a trad blues tune I swear I've heard hundreds of times by some huge classic rock group (Creem? Zep? the Allmans? somebody...), though no classic rock groups seem to be listed on AMG as doing it, so maybe whoever did it (which will probably hit me as really obvious once I found out) did it under a different title or something, or maybe with different words? (Also, I'm thinking now that maybe "These Honey Dos" and "Stone Survivor" and the palette one aren't quite at the level of the Warrant one and the country one and the Drifters one, but they're close.) (Likewise, Leann Womack's bouncy tracks on her debut probably aren't quite as bouncy as Shania like I suggested above, but they're close, too.)

xhuxk, Friday, 5 May 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I wrote this sort of for no depression but it got spiked, cause i like to use fuck and cause its horribly out of date:

Willie Nelson has always deconstructed westerns, and maintained a
belief in telling the truth about places buried under their own
mythology. It is found on his album, the Red Headed Stranger and in
any number of singles over decades. It is found, in his low, lean and
hungry version of the traditional ballad "He was a Friend of Mine",
which could so easily have been dismissed, because of its lyrics, and
because of its placement on the soundtrack to that Heath and Jake
movie. After his soundtrack work, he released, on Howard Stern and
then i-tunes, a cover of the cult classic outlaw tune Cowboys are
Frequently Secretly Fond of Each Other. The two songs entwine, and
emerge as one text, working out familiar themes: the decimation that
unexpected desire can cause, ideas of masculinity and honour, the
implications of dereliction of duty, and larger, more formal concerns
of isolation, landscape and comfort.

Cowboys…is the rare song that actually talks about what it means to
fuck the same gender on the prairies. Fuck in any number of ways, fuck
because they love each other, fuck because they are lonely, fuck
because they want to be kept literally warm or have a companion, or to
continue their lives outside the mainstream, as another kind of
outlaws. Like any number of us, it is about what happens when others
cannot handle the fluidity and dangerous nature of desire. The song is
a classic, because it catalogs the options for how bodies fit
together, and because it acknowledges that some of the options mean
that "there's always someone who says what the others just whisper/and
mostly that someone is the first one to be shot down dead"

The original is done in waltz time, and has a theatrical winking and
nodding. The music has the same kind of music hall extravagance that
caused Jobraith to lose his career, and 30 years later for Rufus
Wainwright to have one. (Think of it as a less secure, less ambiguous,
less haunting version of the Magnetic Field's Papa was a Rodeo.) The
slippages of gender, sexuality, and desire emphasized here are
bog-standard Freud, lines like "I believe to my soul/there is a
feminine/and inside every lady/there is a deep manly voice/ to be made
clear", maintain gay men really want to be women and vice versa line
that seems so old fashioned in the land of Brokeback and the
International Gay Rodeo Association.

The satisfaction in male companionship is a central theme in the both
songs, in the film, in westerns in general. The codes of masculinity
are Byzantine and violations of these codes are rewarded by violence.
One of the reasons why Matthew Sheppard was left to die in that field
in Wisconsin was the difference between city boys and country boys,
between those who went to college, and those who were working men.
Watching Brokeback Mountain, Ang Lee is as aware of this; as is Ned
Sublette (the songwriter of Cowboys…) the hardness of the lovemaking,
and the wrestling/shoving/physicality of the foreplay in the movie
show this. He was also wise choosing the solidity of Willie Nelson to
sing over the credits, as a coda, a song that expressed issues of
masculinity, obliquely. He was a Friend of Mine, comes from the ground
of the west. It does not have an author, and the narrative is basic
narrative, with little detail, some in cliché. He sings it with great
tenderness, but little directness (as opposed to Dylan, who was never
really tender).

Like most ballads, the key to "He was a Friend of Mine", is the
repetition of the chorus. The lines "he never did wrong/a thousand
miles at home, and he never harmed no one" have an old fashioned,
permanence—a depth of hagiography that was never really existent in
either Clint Eastwood or in Roy Rogers. The two songs here are never
really about fucking, but about how to live integrously in a land that
rewards anything but what it says it does.

Both performances then are about what the Quakers would call speaking
truth to power, and farmers I know, would call handling your own shit.
The laconic taciturn outside of the cowboy hides a soft center. There
is an effort to keep secrets, to cause no trouble. There is something
of the private text, spoken softly amongst friends, in He was a Friend
of Mine, and Willie infuses all of the privacy, the sadness and the
shock, in the line "Stoles away and cries". There is tension between
being quietly silent and actually processing grief, a tension that
violates the code of the west, just as admitting that the desires that
one cowboy has for another, may not only be geographic convenience,
but about lust.

This might be Willie Nelson's American Recordings moment, a desire to
push himself away from old complacencies, and old audiences. It often
happens when someone's physical instrument is so ragged, and when the
desire is to communicate differently Nelson's voice is shot. But how
ragged he sounds here, and how broken he sounds, makes the two songs
even sadder, stronger, more tragic. They are a return to questions
that remain unsolved in the 70s, and their answers are of an old man:
be generous to people, mourn the dead, fight for the living, refuse to
apologize for love and desire. Together, they prove a testament to
Nelson's skills as an interpretive guide, and to someone who really
knows cowboys.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 12 May 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I've pretty much given up on this thread; feel like I'm talking to a wall almost as much as on the rolling metal thread. But if anybody cares one way or the other anymore, I will say that this week I decided I like the most recent CDs by Hacienda Brothers, Jazzabillies, Angel Rattay, and George Thorogood.

xhuxk, Friday, 12 May 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

And oh yeah, the Road Hammers, Nancy McCallion, and Grupo Exterminador, too.

xhuxk, Friday, 12 May 2006 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

(Anthony, have you read Annie Proulx' short story [movie-basis]of "Brokeback Mountain"? Think she wrote some lyrics for the soundtrack too)xxhuxx:Talking to a wall? Seems like you've gotten as many responses as anybody, more than most (as we all tend to talk pst each other),and your CDbaby picks that I've heard (like Black Sage) are great, thanks.(Very refreshing, especially in this year's even-slower-than-usual "major" label release pro-cess.)Josh's astute Shooter view in today's Voice was a good reminder for me to post the remix of my Charloaf feature(Josh, SJ took the clone-cover of "Living Proof" off at the last second, and the actual release substitutes a boring Waylon tribute, "It Ain't Easy," but I'm sure the original promo's [& uploads of that track]around for those who must have it)http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com

don, Friday, 12 May 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

wait--Nancy McCallion, of the (gasp)Mollys has a new album out--I'll def check that, thanks! (Her first solo was a simplification of the Mollys' approach, but still good)(Roy, got the CD, thanks too--not much time for discretionary listening at the moment, but I'll get'r d.)

don, Friday, 12 May 2006 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

don: part of the story, though not mentioned, was really about annie prolux, i read the story first in the new yorker, then bought both wisconsin collections, and then waited for the movie...she as a ss writer is one of my heros

the road hammers are headed by jason mccoy, who i have been talking about forever, there was a fascinating reality television seires putting together the band, lots of juicy bullshit about the nashville scene, hes really astute in terms of the pure commerical aspect, and he hasnt broken thru from canada yet. i have seen him maybe 4 times, and hes a solid guy too, never interviewed him, though i guess i should for somewhere because of what he thinks about the industry is as impt as his work,i can video tape and send the reality show, if you want chuck. (hes acutally all over cmt, he has had several making the video specials, an hour at christmas this year, a support the troops thing, and his videos are consisently in the top ten, hes toby keith big up north, though he won the CMA Global Country Award this year)

Jason is such an amazing muscian, with a voice like a bullet thru glass, and i am sort of disappointed by the road hammers because it doesnt flatter him, its a bit too much of a cliche, and his love of the good lord means that he holds back a bit when he shouldnt. (there is a scene when they are in the studio, when he is singing about white pills and red wine or something like that, and he felt really bad about that, because he didnt want to be a bad example)

singles to hear, solo:
this used to be our town
born again in dixieland
doin it right
this could take all night
kinda like its love
ten million tear drops
doing time in bakers field
i lie
i feel a sin comin' on
she aint missin me
and his covers of billy shaver are amazing (as is xmas cd)

anyways road hammers, good, jason mccoy, best thing out of country music in the last half decade


anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 12 May 2006 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, interesting, anthony! was the wine and pills song little feat's "willin'" (which is covered on this road hammers album)? and in what way do you think the road hammers are a cliche'? (given his voice, i'm guessing his solo stuff is somewhere in the dwight yoakam realm, maybe? but i bet i'd prefer him with a band, regardless.)

don, the nancy mccallion CD i got is self-titled, so it may not be as knew as i thought it was (though i could've sworn it's listed as 2005 on cdbaby, though artists cheat on years there all the time, i've noticed.) also, some copyrights on it date back to '98 and even '84. best tracks on it, seems to me so far, are 'the leaving kind,' 'reckless child,' 'misery,' and especially 'moon over the interstate' and especially especially 'money's moving up' (about how the trickle-down theory's a lie), and they do indeed sound fairly molly-esque to me, more than some of the more staid other tracks.

as far as responses to posts go, seemed to they'd pretty much dried up in recent weeks, and the thread had pret'near up and died except for my own posts. though hopefully that was just a temporary lull.

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 00:35 (eighteen years ago) link

The Shooter Jennings album didn't work for me. I listened to it once and was never pulled back. I actually wound up listening to the Rhino Bucket CD more the same night. And RB are a fairly straight AC/DC rip but that was better than the unremarkable hard rock parts on Shooter's record. I wasn't hearing hooks, if there were any, and about half the numbers on the debut were better than all the numbers on the new one. What's that make it, a heavy Pure Prairie League record? Or Poco 'round Good Feelin' To Know without Timothy B. Schmidt and slightly less hard guitars? None of those ideas work.
A bad Outlaws record (not that hard to do, there were more than a couple of them)?

It just flopped around like a fish on a table and after awhile I got sick of listening to it. A shame because I liked the first record and didn't expect such a mediocre second one.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Saturday, 13 May 2006 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

can we talk about the naked picture of keith burns in this weeks

hes not like dwight at all, hes more tender and almost milksop in a way, he emotes more then dwight ever did.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

in country weekly, this week...

jason mccoy isnt milksop, wrong word...he emotes, with a depth and an almost tender meloncholy, a sort of melodrama, but not femminine at all, butch!

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 03:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I've pretty much given up on this thread; feel like I'm talking to a wall almost as much as on the rolling metal thread.

Don't give up on it, xhuxk. I've been neglecting it just cause I've been freakin swamped and I expect the same is true for others and I've been mostly listening to Go-Betweens albums lately. I think they may be the least country band to ever build music around acoustic guitars. P.S. I saw Tim Carroll and Elizabeth Cook this evening. Sweeter folks you'll never meet. Elizabeth has a new record coming out in Feb, and the single is: "Sometimes It Takes Balls to Be a Woman."

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:01 (eighteen years ago) link

and where do i start with the go betweens

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:14 (eighteen years ago) link

(I didn't like Electric Rodeo the first time either, but grew on me quite a bit, especially via headphones.)Wow, that was good, Anthony; def No Dep's loss.Is there a CMT Canada? I've watched thisun way too much, and never seen Jason. Sort of like Blair Larsen? I'll look him up.Xhuxx, the Nancy solo I've got is also self-titled, and has all the songs you mention. But the most recent song is copyright 2004.(bar code 783707976822--she's sitting on the top step of a green door, wearing a black shirt and bluejeans, right?)Maybe she added some new songs or something.Speaking of Cdbaby, I think they also have her reunion with Catherine Zavala, billed as the Zacallion Twins. Catherine was the Molly who sounded like Marianne Faithful with tequila and Vitamin Amp in her Geritol. I gotta get that. I mentioned Uncle Earl before, the female string band. Just heard part of a live set (on Woodsongs, xpost Public Radio show)by one of the Earls, Abigail Washburn. The first, "Eve Stole An Apple From The Tree" ("Good, she's like me") would fit with Anthony's description of the Brokeback soundtrack, but her voice sounded thin. But she also sang a pre-bluegrass mountain ballad (actually an original, I think) with Chinese lyrics, translated as "The Lost Land," and her voice was so strong and sad and beautiful, almost wild, but goin' around the mountain one more time; gravity won't fail her.I've heard Chinese mountain music somewhat like that, but instrumental.(Haven't heard any Chinese singing I liked, except pop and rock.) I think the tonality of the words and the melody changed each other. Checked the album on Amazon: The Traveling Daughter (from a Chinese song, "The Traveling Son," but only a couple are in Chinese, according to Amazon, anyway). She's also got one of the Duhks on guitar, a Collective Soul on percussion, one of her sister Earls on banjo, also Bela Fleck on National [pre-pedal, right?]steel and banjo, but overall sound said to be "spare." She says that it's easier to fit Chinese words to songs than English, because "Chinese words are all one or two syllables, usually ending with open vowels." On the show, she played her old-time open-back banjo, and the cellist (also on the album) was her only other player. On "Lost Land," the cello sounded like a harmonium for a long time, but fit the banjo like the Chinese words fit the melody.

don, Saturday, 13 May 2006 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link

>the Nancy solo I've got is also self-titled, and has all the songs you mention. But the most recent song is copyright 2004.(bar code 783707976822--she's sitting on the top step of a green door, wearing a black shirt and bluejeans, right?)<

Yep, that's exactly the one I got, too (including the '04 part).

And Anthony, if Jason McCoy solo is even *remotely* milksoppy, or even tenderly melancholy, I'm almost *positive* I'd prefer his Road Hammers stuff. Which isn't to say I wouldn't check him out solo.

I still totally love the cocaine and hangover songs on that Shooter album, and am stumped about why George or anybody else would think the latter, at least, doesn't have a masterful kick to it. If Poco or Pure Prairie ever rocked that hard, they hid ir from me.) (Didn't notice he'd switched the cover at the end; that stinks, both because his "Living Proof" sounded good last time I listened to it and because I sent my advance to either Frank or George or both, without closely checking the tracklist apparently, when my real one arrived.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i understant that chuck, i think that in my critical capacity the sheer careerist attitude of the road hammers, and also the watered down, sort of simulacra of rocking, is less real for mccoy then it is for any on that 4 cd trucking song box set that came on a few years ago--and i hate myself for saying that, oddly, cause we are supposed to be above all that, but i dont think he immerses himself fully into the material, and thats frustrating....

(though his last solo album, shes not missing missing me at all rocks the hell out of a broken heart)

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony: I think there are two decent Go-Betweens anthologies, but I'm not sure if they're still in print. The individual albums have been reissued recently with bonus tracks, and I would get Tallulah and Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond Express first. I'm also very partial to Spring Hill Fair and Friends of Rachel Worth, but mostly for inscrutably personal reasons.
P.s. Don't let ND's rejection of that submission turn you off from them. I think everybody on this thread should pitch the editors, and hard, as the magazine would benefit from your voices.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 13 May 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Hope this isn't in poor taste given this week's tragic events, but the only Go-Betweens album I've ever been able to make it through awake and attentive is *Bellavista Terrace: The Best of the Go-Betweens* (Beggars Banquet, 1999), so maybe that's where to start.

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(and duh, Don, Nancy McCallion is clearly much better with a band, too. I absent-mindedly hadn't even noticed/remembered that "Moon Over the Interstate" was actually the *title track* of one of the two Mollys CDs on my self, so clearly she re-recorded it. Solo version is maybe my fourth favorite track on her solo album, which, in general, is lacking in Polka/Czech-Mex-type dance rhythms. Still good, though. I prefer Nancy in Fairport Convention/"Jolene"/"House Carpenter" mode ['Reckless Child'] to rockabilly mode ['Elvis Again' -- sounds like she's had to deal with lotsa Elvises in her life!, "Misery"], and in both of those modes to draggy singer-songwrirter alt-country zzzzzzz mode. But then I would, wouldn't I?)

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

im not depressed at all, he was incredibly generous about my writing, and it really was a timing issue, i have two major writing projects this month, so im sort of blank on pitchs

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 13 May 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

>hes really astute in terms of the pure commerical aspect, <
>sheer careerist attitude of the road hammers, <

I dunno, if it was such a commercial-careerism move (not that it'd necessarily be a bad thing if it was) wouldn't it consist of something other than country-rock trucker songs (hardly the most commercial subgenre out there)? How many trucker songs actually become c&w hits these days? or maybe they do in canada??) anyway, the more i listen, it's clear his "emotive" slow ones are the dullest songs on here (and so far the little feat and jerry reed covers seem the *least* dull -- though i like plenty of the truckin' originals too.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 13 May 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

in the sense of big and rich, jason aldean, gretchen wilson, and other country rock stuff--that and on the show, he got money from places like Western Star,

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 14 May 2006 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, the conventional singer-songwriter mopey mode is something new for Nancy, alas. She got back on the bus pretty soon after having her kid, but too soon for that, probably (True, wee Shooter had his crib on his parents' bus, but I'm not even sure, from Dan's old tour diary,whether the Mollys ever had an actual bus; mebbe a van? Much less one as well-appointed as the Outlaw coach) Was hoping she'd move to Trashville or El Lay and get some songs covered by the Chicks or Dolly etc, but she and her hubby, the last Mollys guitarist, Danny Krieger (who also wrote a song or two on her s/t), are still in Tucson, far as I know. She does play with a little trad country bar band sometimes, and the Mollys got back together this past St. Patricks Day. (The Zacallion Twins was a one-off as well.) You might not have the final version of the promo; the only way I got one was to ask, even though the pub knew I was writing a bigass feature (even bigerassed on thefreelancementalists, but better too). And the only way I knew to ask was Shooter's bass player mentioned it,as an afterthought. I asked him who played what on what,and he said he and Shooter each played about half the keybs (which I really like). Then, in a followup email, he said he played the horns on the end of "Living Proof," when they added Waylon's instrumental theme (to Hank Jr.'s song about his own paw, duh-huh). And then in a third email, come to think of it, that song's not on there no more.

don, Monday, 15 May 2006 06:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Anthony I'm fairly positive that if there's a milksoppy or melancholy side to Jason McCoy, that's the bit I'll respond to the most. Given that, any recommendations where to start?

(As for the Go-Betweens, I think "Bellavista Terrace" probably is the place to start because it's an overview and that's the grown-up way, but I love "Spring Hill Fair" best of all, and I can't help thinking you're going to go mad for "Bachelor Kisses", and maybe "Part Company" (my favourite of all), so I'm half tempted to recomend you start there.)

Tim (Tim), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

singles to hear, solo:
this used to be our town
born again in dixieland
doin it right
this could take all night
kinda like its love
ten million tear drops
doing time in bakers field
i lie
i feel a sin comin' on
she aint missin me
and his covers of billy shaver are amazing (as is xmas cd)

he has a best of cd out right now, and honky tonk angels, the cd is ecellent as is fears lies and angels (i need to check that title)

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

darrell scott *the invisible man* in the mail yesterday, colorless singer-songwriter folk by a scruffly and apparently well-meaning old coot; didn't get through much of it, and it wouldn't even be worth mentioning except that it's got his version of "goodle, u.s.a.," which faith hill covered last year as "we've got nothing but love to prove," except it turns out she changed his line about "no more paint-by-numbers Jesus" to "no more paint-by-number hatred," and forgot to sing his line about "It's like Joe McCarthy was our acting president." She sings it (or pro-Tools it, who cares) better, though.

meanwhile i think i'm starting to come to turns with ashley monroe, a little. "he ain't coming back," her album's closer, is a breakfast breakup song (since she pours a cup of coffee in it) that seems to take its chorus's melody from one of my all-time breakfast breakup songs, "superwoman" by karyn white, but the breakfast breakup song it's paired with (since this one precedes it), "hank's cadillac," sounds like a teacher's pet is singing -- okay, maybe it's not a breakfast breakup song; wasn't paying attention to the (teacher's pet) title when i was listening to it, just to "if i'd kept the coffee strong," and regrets about all the other stuff she could've done different and he (hank?)'d still be around; the words are fine but the music's a bore. The two rockers, I guess (are there more?) are "can't let go" (another hard-to-let-go codependency-maybe song, same title mariah carey used once) and "pain pain" (which has the eddie rabbit love-me-in-the-rearview rap section and double entrende's about coming again). "that's why we call earch other baby" is the gender-quarrel duet, semi-rockabilly and not bad; who's the guy? (sounds like dwight yoakam, but maybe -- see my jason mccoy notes above -- everybody sounds like dwight to me this week). and then there's "satisfied," which feels dead in the water, and the song i'm really starting to hate, "pony," a preciously polished turd which seems to entail ashely being a little girl who wants a pony and wants a baby and wants to be your lady when she grows up--unless i totally heard it wrong; either way, get it out of my house, ok?

*born and raised* by self-released monroeville, PA six-piece cdbabies North of the Mason-Dixon (aka NOMAD) is interesting in a post-hair-metal world in that it includes (1) a cover of REO Speedwagon's "take it on the run" which sounds like the eagles, (2) a decent rocker called "farmer's daughter" that starts off seemingly swiping chordage from nazareth's "hair of the dog" even though NOMAD's idea of rocking is about one-twentieth what nazareth's idea of rocking was; (3) a track that sounds like billy ray cyrus doing a summer song halfway between bryan adams and kenny chesney; (4) a blatant bon jovi ballad imitation i don't like much called "i'm not your man; and (5) a decently drummed and horned rocker called "alone when you're lonely" that seems to employ cowbells. i also like the slightly latin bluegrassish lilt of "dyin' to live" and the hoedown jamming in "watch the girls." the "amazing grace" cover is okay, and the rest is no worse than lone star or rascal flatts. (in fact, i'd take the album anyday over the new rascal flatts CD, which i wound up liking two or three tracks on okay, but it still mainly stinks.)

road warriors song annoying me the most so far: "heart with four wheel drive". road warriors song reminding me most of big'n'rich so far: "i'm a road warrior," where they brag about their "pimped ride."

xhuxk, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

and the song i'm really starting to hate, "pony," a preciously polished turd which seems to entail ashely being a little girl who wants a pony and wants a baby and wants to be your lady when she grows up--unless i totally heard it wrong; either way, get it out of my house, ok?

I think that's the Kasey Chambers connection I noted earlier. I like Kasey, but that's one of her most pusillanimous tunes.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I finally got the Irma Thomas record xhuxk mentioned up-thread: it's stunning, spare when it should be, fulsome and funky and never strained. I love the sense of space. Even quaint doo-woppish r&b numbers like "I Count the Tears" have more to say that you'd guess. Her voice must be the most undiminished of all the great '60s soul women. That wonderful song "Flowers" was written by Kevin Gordon, an East Nashville hard luck songwriter/rocker. Did anyone else hear his album from last year, O Come Look at the Burning? His version of "Flowers" is on there. The album deserved more attention than it got.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 04:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I actually think "I Count the Tears" might be my favorite track on the Irma record -- and to me, it's just too sweet to sound quaint!

Now, rethinking the Road Hammers: I'm starting to the get an idea of what Anthony means about Jason McCoy's heart not being in the more rowdy trucker stuff. Outside of the two covers, which are real good but mostly because they're just plain great songs, the only song he really completely puts over, to my ears, is "Girl on the Billboard," which has a cool sort of modal/circular/fugue-ish verse structure and also must be the song I was referring to when I said he sounded like Dwight Yoakam, because it's the only one where he does. The one and only ballad, "Call it a Day," *does* seem somehow more heartfeltedly sung than the faster stuff, and it's not as dull as I implied upthread; the guy does lonesome weariness pretty well, I guess. But I also wouldn't say it's any *less* generic than the speedier tunes; just generic in a less energetic way. I like "I'm a Road Hammer" pretty well, but the five-minute "reprise" version of it at the end (with its jew's harp type break and remixed stretching-out effects) is more B'n'R than the regular version at the beginning, and though Jason also says "chillin' the most" in it, it's really not all *that* B''n'R; actually, toward the start of it, his voice reminds me a little of John Anderson for a line or two. "Nashville Bound" (as in "hellbent and Nashville bound") irritated me at first since its title seemed gratuitious in two different ways after they'd already done "East Bound and Down", but I'm a David Allan Coe and Charlie Daniels fan, so any song where long-haired country guys get in a fight with a redneck is okay by me. "Keep On Truckin'" is not Eddie Kendricks by any means (wow, I just checked Joel Whitburn's book; I had no idea his '73 proto-disco song of that name went #1 pop for two weeks!), but it's kinda funky regardless. And there's lots of little doo-dads, ignition noises and incidental tracks and a track of bloopers called "Flat Tires" (plus the theme song reprise) to make people think this 10-song (eight orignals) album has 14 songs on it, and I appreciate the ripoff shamelessness of that, but then again I didn't have to pay for the thing. Only song I hate is the Country-and-Westerbergish one, "Heart With Four Wheel Drive," which sounds as bland as bland can be.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

...and OOPS, I should of checked the credits before I typed "eight originals". "Girl on the Billboard" has apparently been sung in the past by Dave Dudley, Red Sovine, and others; I just never heard it. So the THREE best songs on the Road Hammers CD are all covers, and "The Hammer Goin' Down" was apparently written by Chris Knight, and "Heart With Four Wheel Drive" is "Paul Thorn/Billy Maddox 1995" (who are they?). So, more likely, just five originals, I guess.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I finally listened to this here Kasey Jones album of Mickey Newbury songs. Uggh. Useful if only to have all the worst versions of Newbury's songs in one place.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

& i dont mind a good cover album, either (speaking of good cover--god is the new springsteen angry and almost apocolyptic)

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Chuck wrote: as far as responses to posts go, seemed to they'd pretty much dried up in recent weeks, and the thread had pret'near up and died except for my own posts. though hopefully that was just a temporary lull.

Roy wrote: P.S. I saw Tim Carroll and Elizabeth Cook this evening. Sweeter folks you'll never meet. Elizabeth has a new record coming out in Feb, and the single is: "Sometimes It Takes Balls to Be a Woman."

I'm back, I'm back. God, my mother's dying of cancer before my (and my sister's) eyes, we got this bad news a couple weeks ago. So I just have been worn out.

Tim Carroll and Elizabeth I've known for maybe 10 years. Great people.

I've been working, as much as I can in between this whole lousy situation--I did a piece on Mark Nevers for the Scene that should run next Wednesday, and he's a fascinating guy. Whatever else you can say about him or Bare or even Lambchop, he gets some cool sounds, and on this new (non-country, actually sorta "Adventure"-era Television/Pavement sounding) Lone Official record he did (they're a Nashville band led by a guy named Matt Button who writes songs about horseracing, feeling lost in the big city, and one kinda great one about bar fights!), Nevers is kinda a poet of the pedal steel or somethin' corny like that. Anyway, I found him real interesting, real cool (into punk rock and Eno and stuff) and he really uses those Music Row miking techniques mixed with his vintage 2-inch tape machines and so forth). I like the way his records sound, even the Candi Staton which I think Chuck mentioned he wasn't impressed by--well, it's probably a bit staid in a way, but it sounds great to me, real good revivalism that isn't stupid.

So far behind--I am also talking to Blaine Larsen sometime next week, so I got to sit down and re-listen to his new one.

I read some of the above posts, and will catch up tomorrow, I promise. I hope everyone here is doing OK--Anthony, Chuck, Roy, Don, everyone.

I did notice some talk about "Girl on the Billboard" above--the great version I know is by Del Reeves. And Chuck, remember the Dean Martin reissue of "Swinging Down Yonder" you were talking about? I saw a great film of him doing "Hominy Grits" from that record, around '52. Awesome.

Finally, it is terrible about Grant from the Go-Betweens. I don't know all their stuff, but I do like a few songs from "Tallulah" which is the most commonly praised one, I think, and from "The Friends of," the one they did in Oregon or wherever. But I never went the way of a lot of people with them, I never quite loved them or anything. They always seemed so serious, and I was always a bit put off by the angst or something. Angst, man, I do not need right now.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

whats the album called, and who is putting it out.
i am really sorry about your mother, ill do the candle and prayer thing at mass next week...i wish i could help more

much love
ase

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 20 May 2006 00:57 (seventeen years ago) link


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