quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

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And even the best-laid plans falter. Jenna Catsos, 22, does not have a cellphone because she thinks the idea of always being reachable is “scary” and prefers to keep in touch with handwritten letters. While at college in rural Vermont, Ms. Catsos decided to drive to Massachusetts to surprise her father for his birthday. Halfway there, her car’s transmission broke down. She walked half a mile to the nearest gas station and called her parents from the payphone, but because they were not expecting her, they were not home. After leaving a message with the payphone number, she stood in the gas station parking lot for an hour waiting for them to call back.

“It’s situations like that when I would really love to have a phone,” she said.

Am I missing something? She DID have a phone - a payphone! If she travels across the country without an address book containing, for instance, the mobile phone numbers of her parents, she is simply a fucking idiot. Luddism has nothing to do with it.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 23 October 2009 09:36 (fourteen years ago) link

A friend who lives on the top floor of a house in Brooklyn has a perpetually broken apartment buzzer. So Ms. Mboya makes noise to disturb the dogs who live on the first floor, who then bark and announce her arrival to her friend.

“This system works pretty well,” Ms. Mboya said, though the dogs’ owners might disagree.

Strangle. Her. Strangllllllleeeeeeee

I have a good friend who purposefully doesn't have a cell phone. She keeps the plans she makes, she is on time for things, and she calls in advance from HOME if she has a question. She keeps a planner in her bag with names & phone numbers. SHE BEHAVES LIKE A NORMAL PERSON WHO RESPECTS THE TIME AND EFFORT OF OTHERS. Jesus fuck.

I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Friday, 23 October 2009 13:51 (fourteen years ago) link

whadda u guys think of the times new restaurant critic?

http://events.nytimes.com/2009/10/14/dining/reviews/14rest.html

http://events.nytimes.com/2009/10/21/dining/reviews/21rest.html

I'm reserving judgement but he certainly has a writerly voice, esp. for the staid old NYT, though so far he's treading a thin line between affected & effective. and that jazz about new york in the 80s was a little nostalgic-hazy IMO.

chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Friday, 23 October 2009 14:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm reserving judgement but he certainly has a writerly voice, esp. for the staid old NYT, though so far he's treading a thin line between affected & effective

dude did u miss the long and affected reign of mr frank bruni

Bobby Wo (max), Friday, 23 October 2009 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link

actually i thought bruni got better as he went along. sifton seems to be TRYING REALLY HARD but hey it's a pressure-cooker job (pun intended)

chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Friday, 23 October 2009 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link

maintaining a breezy tone while conforming to the times style must be a tightrope

chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Friday, 23 October 2009 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link

whadda u guys think of the times new restaurant critic?

I was amused/interested to learn that he is the grandson of Reinhold Niebuhr.

o. nate, Friday, 23 October 2009 15:09 (fourteen years ago) link

ill give him a little while. i was always kind of on the fence about bruni tbh, but i felt sort of sad when he was leaving

Bobby Wo (max), Friday, 23 October 2009 15:18 (fourteen years ago) link

"Jenna Catsos, 22, does not have a cellphone because she thinks the idea of always being reachable is “scary”"

I cosign that far, obv, but I do have an address/phone book, and don't bother dogs.

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 October 2009 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I just don't get why you can't answer the phone.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 October 2009 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

She keeps the plans she makes, she is on time for things
Imagine that! I hate how cell phones have made flakiness and irresponsibility ok...if you call!

kate78, Friday, 23 October 2009 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, the call is more like, this is just tell you that you can go get a coffee for 20 minutes because my landlady decided to show the apartment as I was leaving today...so the person who's ON TIME doesn't stand in the rain or something.

It doesn't really make it "okay" to be more than about 15 minutes late, or however much your social/cultural grace period is.

The other really nice thing about this friend is that if you're going to the same show or event, you can just say, I'm going to get there betw 9 and 9.30, and she doesn't text you back 27 times to say, "Are you still going? What are you wearing, I think I'm going to wear a dress. Are you there yet? I might be early. I'm standing by the bar now." But then lots of people who DO have cell phones and are not RETARDED don't do this either.

I would feel confident if I dated her because I am older than (Laurel), Friday, 23 October 2009 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I"VE KINDA HAD IT UP TO HERE W/SAM SIFTON

ice cr?m, Friday, 23 October 2009 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I just don't get why you can't answer the phone.

What are you, Superman?

a wicked 60s beat poop combo (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 23 October 2009 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link

srsly let it ring turn it off or go under the earth

ice cr?m, Friday, 23 October 2009 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

now u are "unreachable"

ice cr?m, Friday, 23 October 2009 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link

M. Night Shyamalan's "Unreachable"

Mr. Que, Friday, 23 October 2009 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Punish those flaky people by turning your phone off for an hour before 'the plans' and turning it on when you arrive at the meeting point. I am getting less 'that's OK' if people scramble my day because they're trying to impress themselves with how busy they are.

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Friday, 23 October 2009 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Restaurants are culture as sure as music or paintings. They say something about who we are. So never mind the bold-faced names, those old familiar faces. Civilized people on the subway home from the Met talk about opera, not who has seats in the parterre box. Marea says, settle down. When the market was low, we spent like crazies and now look wise. You like to eat? Watch what is going to happen to you.

didn't like (or even understand, really) this bit of the Marea review but when he got down to the food it was pretty good

it read like a two-star, though. three stars and the thing they don't do well is "entrees"?

dmr, Friday, 23 October 2009 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/nyregion/25coop.html

I BOUNDED off the Q train in Brooklyn one night last winter and headed to Union Street, past the yogurt shop and the firehouse, to do some grocery shopping. But my plans soon went awry.

“You’re suspended,” the entrance worker at the Park Slope Food Coop announced as I swiped my membership card. Some entrance workers speak softly, but not this one. Worse, there were a dozen other shoppers within earshot.

ice cr?m, Saturday, 24 October 2009 04:02 (fourteen years ago) link

http://i34.tinypic.com/2vc6mq9.jpg

ice cr?m, Saturday, 24 October 2009 04:19 (fourteen years ago) link

"For such a scrutinized institution, little public attention is paid to people like me"

I Am Curious (The Yellow Kid), Saturday, 24 October 2009 05:21 (fourteen years ago) link

god, what is the point of that co-op article at all?

harbl, Saturday, 24 October 2009 12:46 (fourteen years ago) link

The point appears to be 'when visit farmers market get pie'

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 October 2009 12:54 (fourteen years ago) link

"co-op membership is a hipster accessory you have to work to deserve"

Maria, Saturday, 24 October 2009 13:12 (fourteen years ago) link

how did we miss this

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/dining/28Date.html?ref=dining

goole, Friday, 30 October 2009 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

WHEN Jenny Kirsten, a producer for the Food Network, went on her first date with Jason Beberman, a chef at Dressler in Brooklyn, they didn’t splurge on a multicourse dinner with wine pairings. Instead, they went to the Rusty Knot, a West Village bar that teeters between dive and chic, for picklebacks: a shot of whiskey with a pickle juice chaser. They split a gourmet chicken liver sandwich — with bacon and red onion marmalade — followed by a couple of Tecates with salt on the rim, and then played the free jukebox.

Whatever, it worked: a year later, they are still together. Now their idea of a romantic meal might be a burger at Back Forty, a neighborhood place in the East Village with epicurean credibility; the burger is made of grass-fed beef and comes with homemade ketchup. They prefer to sit at the bar.

“We can cut the burger and share the fries, and make a date-night toast,” Ms. Kirsten said. She sighed contentedly. “I’m too in love for my own good.”

goole, Friday, 30 October 2009 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

holy shit

i get SO CLOWNED for chasing shots with pickle juice - shit just ELIMINATES THE COMPETITION tbh

highly recommended

a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 October 2009 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Friend & I once were alternating shots of ALbertson's store-brand Heritage Vodka ($13 a handle) and pickle brine...it was like drinking gasoline.

we are normal and we want our freedom (Abbott), Friday, 30 October 2009 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Instead he and his wife, Sonja Johansson, a Feldenkrais practitioner, find romance in the fried chicken spots hidden on second floors in Koreatown.

how rad bandit (gbx), Friday, 30 October 2009 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link

the nytimes has this impressive ability to make everything fun seem lame

Tracer Hand, Friday, 30 October 2009 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link

this second floor fried chicken spot is totally hidden except for the huge flashing sign outside

ice cr?m, Friday, 30 October 2009 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, yeah, apparently Ezra Klein follows this sort of stuff too. He linked to that story this morning with this:

Congrats to the New York Times trendspotting team, which has recently learned that young people occasionally go on dates to hip, trendy gastropubs as opposed to pricey, fussy French restaurants. Reporting!

WmC, Friday, 30 October 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

a story about dates involving Gray's Papaya = something I would read

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 30 October 2009 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

hot dog; hallway.

ian, Friday, 30 October 2009 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

there should really be a hallway hot dog place

sarahel, Friday, 30 October 2009 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link

No results found for "halloway's hot dogs".

oɔsıqɐu (nabisco), Friday, 30 October 2009 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Ugh, I would never survive in a relationship founded on the principle of buying one meal and cutely splitting it in half.

This revisionist bible is delicious (reddening), Saturday, 31 October 2009 01:14 (fourteen years ago) link

this one puzzled me...she was too poor to visit her parents for the holidays, was eating Saltines and Kraft cheese, yet she also has an art collection she's slowly selling off, is taking her time to consider writing a book, and moved to Greenwich?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/opinion/25kolhatkar.html?_r=1&scp=31&sq=october+25+2009&st=nyt

henry s, Saturday, 31 October 2009 02:25 (fourteen years ago) link

It's not really suspicious that a former art gallery owner has an art collection, and it suggests she moved in with her boyfriend in Greenwich. Also there's a good chance she has debt from her failed business. Not that you should feel sorry for her, I just don't think there's anything puzzling there.

Bay-L.A. Bar Talk (Hurting 2), Saturday, 31 October 2009 06:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Becky, 43, is not one of the blonde wisps usually seen working at chic Manhattan art spaces — she has a big head of curly black hair and chunky eyeglasses.

she OWNED the gallery

ice cr?m, Saturday, 31 October 2009 06:16 (fourteen years ago) link

lol everyone knows how rare it is to see people with chunky glasses at art galleries

I DIED, Saturday, 31 October 2009 06:39 (fourteen years ago) link

thinking thats prob new york times style manual for "fattay"

ice cr?m, Saturday, 31 October 2009 06:44 (fourteen years ago) link

big head

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Saturday, 31 October 2009 07:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I dunno...she claims to have nothing, yet she also has an art collection (which she has the opportunity to sell off slowly), has the luxury of time to contemplate a new career and the possibility of writing a book...she's in a bad place to be sure, but I'm thinking a lot of people blindsided by this economy would be really envious of her predicament...

henry s, Saturday, 31 October 2009 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link

LOL you try getting an ex-gallerist to do a fire sale on the secondary market. It's the last thing they'd do because the artists in question have to hold value and they also get very, very pissed off when their work is sold like this.

fake plastic butts (suzy), Saturday, 31 October 2009 14:00 (fourteen years ago) link

huh? she's not the worst-suffering person in America therefore she deserves no pity? she was a self-made woman who lost her business/savings/apartment/purpose.

there's nothing in that article that suggests she's a bad person other than that she's dating an ex-finance guy, so I'm not sure why you're so keen on attacking her. so yeah, not all recession stories are poor people becoming poorer, sometimes it's upper-middle class people becoming lower-middle class...

iatee, Saturday, 31 October 2009 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Ilxors rag nyt about it because basically all of the lifestyles pieces there regarding the recession are about upper-middle class or rich people "suffering" somehow. It's not newsy and it's not even interesting reading, unless you want to say, "OMG, this is stupid. Tom, look at this." Brick and mortar trolls.

bamcquern, Saturday, 31 October 2009 17:25 (fourteen years ago) link

This week's episode of Frontline reminded me of this thread when I was watching it:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/closetohome/view/

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Saturday, 31 October 2009 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link


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