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you say something.

― jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 13 November 2003 02:31 (twenty years ago) link

ok i'll say something. lars von trier is the one i'm interested in most. partly because i'm running together a consistent dislike of his films with quite a mild love of the man himself (based on 'the five obstructions' and 'tranceformer'.) he ws brought up in a rule-less household his mum and dad were communist, radical etc and let lars do whatever he wanted which posed peculiar problems (the need fr self-socialisation of sleep patterns, fr example & the angst at being made to sit STILL at a desk for EIGHT YEARS i.e. school) (this led to the yound von trier [12?] skipping school to sit on his porch drinking white wine.)

one of the funny things he says in 'the five obstructions' (funny in light of his upbringing) is tht jorgen leth introduced him to the 'rules of the game'. (von trier talks about film school saying tht they were told lots of things they SHOULD NOT do [i. voice-overs haha 'dogville', ii. other things] and principal amongst this one teacher's idiosyncrasies ws tht if something happened in vienna in 1934 there shouldn't be a cue-card saying 'vienna, 1934'. cut to next scene, opening frame from film-school short: 'vienna, 1934'.) (the crazy teacher wanted him to show a blue-bottle walking over a cheque slowly revealing the information 'vienna, 1934', lars: 'WTF?!')

[lots of other dull uninteresting words here]

― athos magnani (Cozen), Thursday, 13 November 2003 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

i'm told the 'von' is not part of his real name. thus the local video store insists on filing under 'T'

― ron (ron), Thursday, 13 November 2003 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

it's the TRIER part tht just seems to poke at wht mark ws saying upthread ('he's always on: the prank never ends, the performance includes the rest of yr life blah blah').

― athos magnani (Cozen), Thursday, 13 November 2003 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

I thought Dogville was appallingly boring, boringly didactic, the best bit was the end credits (literally - Bowie's Young Americans over some nice photo portraits). After Dogville and Dancer In The Dark, I'm not sure I'll ever shell out to see a Von Trier movie again.

― Jonathan Z., Thursday, 13 November 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

see the kingdom. udo kier as a giant turd baby demon thing is classic. it's actually kingdom 2, but you need to see one first. need to.

― Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 November 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

yeh the kingdom is special i thk. wht's interesting (to me) (prob. not to you) is how just using a looser verite grainy (maroon-tinted) photography can make it feel quite ill lit (i.e. looser than 'the element of crime' whose yellow sheen filtered photography is 'sublimely lit').

jonathan: dogville, yeh i think i thought tht too. well i did, and i said as much i thk, to jed (who i bumped into, hi jed!) but now i'm not so sure. the end credits were a bit obvious tho, aye?

― athos magnani (Cozen), Thursday, 13 November 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

They WERE obvious but genuinely rather shocking i thought.

It was bowie playing over the top of pictures like this:

http://www2.arts.gla.ac.uk/CAS/images/sem3/depression.jpg

and this

http://www.pressroom.com/~afrimale/arkfood.jpg

rather than "nice portrait" pictures, though maybe these pics have lost their power, if you can call them "nice".

anyway, the film - horrible, misanthropic, misguided and confused in the latter half. but interesting for the first hour or so.

yo athos!

― jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 13 November 2003 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

anyway - i'm off to see the five obstructions this evening.

― jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 13 November 2003 19:06 (twenty years ago) link

'misanthropic' yes this is wht i thought when i left it, i said to colin (jed) tht 'von trier has too low an estimation of people and it's something i can't really square myself with' cf. his loving fucking with ppl (which is why i was asking 'did nicole kidman pick this or did lars von trier pick her?' i'm sure obv she did to a large extent pick this but I thk von trier went looking. he kinda reminds me a bit of tht scene in exorcist two which fills in 'the bit where the old guy dies' exorcist 1 when the little girl reaches into the old guy's body and tries to reconfigure his heart so as to kill him). anyway yes misanthropic but no i'm not so sure now i thk he might just be skeptical of people's perception of people and he wants to level that? (of course he has no great 'project' bt obviously common themes are invidious [right word?]). i thk i'm warming to him. he ws obv met w. knee-jerk 'intellectual love' tht resulted in equally silly anti-von trier knee-jerk 'populism' in me which i kinda ran together with and through my watching / opinions of his films which now i've been able to 'see' the man behind the mask i'm finally beginning to try untangle. wtf?

― athos magnani (Cozen), Thursday, 13 November 2003 19:18 (twenty years ago) link

ten months pass...

BUT: 'the idiots' is his best film, now that I've seen it.

― cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:58 (nineteen years ago) link

"BARBARIANS, at the door!"
"except there is no door!"

― cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:58 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

this sounds like a bag of bullshit.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Thursday, 25 January 2007 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

http://i.imgur.com/9OheK.png

― anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 06:19 (twelve years ago) link

three years pass...

My first reaction to It's All About Love was "What the fuck was that all about?" But then I reread the title, and now I get it. (The Village Voice tells me it's one of those notorious film maudits, like Ivan the Terrible and those three or four Madonna films.)

― clemenza, Saturday, 28 February 2015 01:11 (nine years ago) link

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