A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences

remember that common joint w/ the chick from stereolab on the hook

and pharrell said he sexes to dots & loops

This is totally insane but two minutes before I saw your post I thought, "I want to hear that Uilab version of St. Elmo's Fire," and ripped it to my computer. Must have Ui on the brain.

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Ui, Ui, baby
Ui, Ui, baby

The Stereolab thing was dead serious: I asked about them mainly because they strike me as being interested in exactly the kinds of black musicians/musics that wouldn't get recognized in this argument (even though a lot of them fit SFJ's definitions just fine). They just happen to integrate them in an atmosphere that everyone wants to code as European/white/highbrow.

(God forbid the "white" category ever gives up sole possession of "highbrow" -- these days jazz practically gets coded as white, in about the same way phantom people can look at a room that's 10% middle-class east Asians and go "god, it's all white people in here.")

more than 10%, dude

does anybody even consider white guy/asian girl hook-ups to be interracial at this point

"They can't steal it if they can't play it." Discuss.

phantom people?

casper

does anybody even consider white guy/asian girl hook-ups to be interracial at this point

the white guy/asian girl couples I know are definitely aware of it

Kinda keenly relevant to indie fandom: there is a surely disproportionate representation for first-generation Americans of east-Asian descent and middle-class upbringings. But in this conversation people like that just vanish away into the code for "white."

as part of a white/west asian couple my gf considers herself 'caucasian'

cauc rock

The Blues Brothers movie is an interesting way to measure how things have changed since 1980. Belushi played these anti-establishment characters, and Jake and Elwood were against the Chicago machine and for John Lee and Cab and Aretha, and their own band was made up of those actualy authentic Stax guys (white). It's just a whole other era with few parallels to this one.

("These characters" being Jake and then the Animal House guy who gets ruffles the campus (white) establishment by getting the Isley Brothers to play at his party.)

booker t & the mgs, man

booker t (black)

This might or might not be a whole other can of worms, but when I went to Pitchfork Festival this past summer (on the guest list of my friend who was performing and is African-American), I was aware of how there was so little sign -- either in the performances or in the audience -- that our country is in the middle of an actual war that is costing lives and a billion dollars a week. Granted, I wasn't there for Yoko, but I think in retrospect that's what will be startling about this decade's counterculture. I mean, the Blues Brothers and Woodstock were up against the machine.

(as far as the BBs band, I was thinking of Steve Cropper and Donald Duck Dunn)

you totally missed the deep, complex symbolism of kevin barnes's lady spooning spaghetti sauce over the audience

the lobster claw was Rumsfeld

... about the same way phantom people can look at a room that's 10% middle-class east Asians and go "god, it's all white people in here."

what the fuck? i've never experienced this.

weird racial thing about pitchfork also is its location right in the west side

pitchfork the festival i mean

I've seen "white" become more of a class-based derogative term recently, to describe someone of any ethnicity who "acts white". (Relating to the whole walking at a room that's 10% whatever, and going "it's all white people here")

I went to an upper middle-class Asian wedding once that felt like one of the "whitest" places I've been - right down to the cringe-inducing semi-ironic appreciation of top 40 rap they played throughout the reception.

well my 2nd-gen korean college roommate was a suburban christian amy grant fan who played lacrosse. but i kind of doubt he felt "white." (i never asked.)

How do you know if you feel white? Is there a certain part of the body in which you feel the unmistakable sensation of whiteness?

not me, mine's Italian.

the ol' brazole

I can't even remember, but has anyone bothered to point out that from the 90s on the "alternative to what" question would generally be answered with top 40 pop that does nothing BUT incorporate African-American influences hi dere Backstreet/'N Sync/BritBrit/Xtina/Justin?

I mean, christ, if your Pitchforkia ain't giving you enough flava shit ain't hard to find.

the whole "then snoop showed up and indie rock went DAMN, his science is too tight, can't front on that, guess i'll learn the mandolin" theory is just gonna feel funnier with every day

only because you know it's true.
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would make for a great video

what is it with asians and rap anyway

^ (jokes, bruvs)

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post an updated pic when it melts

lol I trust you checked the img src

we needz more martina tipsy bird collaborationz!!!

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Let’s say you and a friend are watching the NBA playoffs this weekend and during a time out, a commercial comes on for a certain wildly popular brand of shoe. Now in the commercial for this wildly popular brand of shoe, Kevin Garnett and Sharif Abdur-Rahim are teaching kids how to play basketball in a giant pool, and behind the action there’s a wildy funky beat. Let’s say your friend turns to you and asks, "Nevermind the commercial — Who’s behind that wildly funky beat?" You can turn to your friend and say, "Why, that’s the Lynnfield Pioneers with ’Time to Get Dumb.’ I’ve got the record right here." Then the both of you can turn off your TV and rock out to the wildly funky music.

lol I trust you checked the img src

-- rogermexico., Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:34 AM

indeed!

"About five years ago, Asians began to rediscover the pleasures of rhythm."

xpost

What was the "blackest" point in Stereolab's career?

the 1st track on ETK sounds just like Mary Lou Williams' "Credo" from 1970

Wasn't it a lift from Gil-Scott Heron?

I only listened to the blackest Doom!!

it's about time this thread got legitimately ridiculous, just in case the Da Capo people were giving this serious thought.

hi dere!

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I got the hyphen wrong, it's Gil Scott-Heron.

wtf scott