Why are Japanese films so terrible?

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sansho is so great

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

The 47 Ronin was on recently, but I didn't get around to watching it.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Koji Wakamatsu's 'Go Go Second-Time Virgin' from 1969 is harsh stuff but worth tracking down if you like Miike's 'Audition' and 'Visitor Q'

I've been overdosing on the 3 DVD set of Toshio Matsumoto's Experimental Film Works 1961-1987. I can't believe I didn't know about this guy, utterly beautiful abstract film & video works all set to blazing period electronic scores -- expensive but worth it -- if you're only getting one, get Volume 2

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Wild Zero is endlessly classic.

kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

haven't seen Matsumoto's Funeral Parade of Roses yet though

Black Lizard, one of my favorite films. not on this thread yet. I think there are very few people on this thread who wouldn't love that film.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

"Go Go Second-Time Virgin" is OK, but the Wakamatsu interview included on the DVD is golden!

Wild Zero is amazing!

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Polysix Bad Battery (cprek), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

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k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

have we done a why are american films so terrible?

we should

Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
anyone seen any imai tadashi?

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 5 December 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Not I.

I watched Mizoguchi's Sisters of the Gion last night... short, bleak and grim. I prefer his '30s visual palette to Ozu's or Naruse's.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Swa Kobayashi's Harakiri the other night -- yow, that early bamboo sword scene...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

"Vital" convinced me that Tsukamoto is the best director since Tarkovsky.

shieldforyoureyes (shieldforyoureyes), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Morbz, Sleep and I are going to go see this Sunday:

http://www.subwaycinema.com/frames/nyaff06_yokai.htm

$9 + $1 if you buy online

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Dave - that's the guy who did Tetsuo, yes (I think Netflix messed up the Romanization of his name)?

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

responding to haterz upthread

Was Ichi the Killer that hard to follow? I didn't think so. The special effects in it were silly/bad but it was fairly easy to follow if you don't let the ambiguity about Ichi's past get your panties in a bunch.

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, Tsukamoto directed Tetsuo. He also acts in most of his films (he's
the metal-fetishist they hit with the car in Tetsuo) as well as others
(he plays Ichi's handler in Ichi the Killer). He also does all his own
camera work.

shieldforyoureyes (shieldforyoureyes), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Jon, I was only tempted by It's Only Talk, and dint even get to that. Miike's been kinda silly and below-par lately.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

i forgot to go :(

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:04 (seventeen years ago) link

It is indeed an enduring mystery that despite the formula of Dinosaur fighting Robot being the scientifically proven best use of cinema, films where it happens are a bit rubbish. I conclude that film is still an art form in its infancy.
-- Tom (ebro...), August 1st, 2001.

^^ best and most truthful post on an ile film thread ever

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I received a birthday gift from overseas this weekend:

A Taxing Woman 2xDVD edition
Tanpopo 2xDVD edition
Eureka DVD
Seishun Dendekedekedeke (The Rocking Horsemen?) DVD

The Itami special editions came out in celebration of his death (!?!), the Eureka DVD is an aspect remaster from the crummy version from a few years ago, and the last one is one of my favorite movies that hasn't been exported (no subtitles, eek)... starring an 18y/o Tadanobu Asano in his first studio role for all you Miike nuts.

I'm open to any drama/comedy/thriller (non-monster, non-horror, non-samurai, non-yakuza, non-anime please!) recommendations.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

will any mizoguchi besides ugetsu ever get a dvd reissue? i really want to see sansho.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i watched Ping Pong over the weekend. which was about table tennis and not to be confused, like whoever did the tivo listings, with the 1986 film about a chinese lawyer. contained no monsters.

koogy wonderland (koogs), Monday, 26 June 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

some films i've seen recently & enjoyed:
Shimotsuma Monogatari (Kamikaze Girls) - comedy about the friendship that develops between a biker girl and a girl who's obsessed with 18th century rococo fashion. very funny, quite surreal in parts.
Love Letter - girl is looking through the high school book of her dead fiance, and finds his old address. she sends him a "i miss you" letter - and receives a reply. slow but very moving, i'm dreading the day hollywood buys the script & butchers it.
Tokyo gomi onna (Tokyo Garbage Girl) - girl is obsessed with the guy who lives upstairs, goes through his trash every day. be warned, this is very slow moving & not a lot happens - i loved it though.
i want more Mizoguchi as well, i've only seen Ugetsu & Sansho which are awesome.
also : wrongest thread title ever.

zappi (joni), Monday, 26 June 2006 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Since Shinya Tsukamoto and "Ichi the Killer" have been mentioned in the same thread...

I just wanted to point out the simply wonderful fact that the blob of rape-fetishist-peeping-top semen in which the title credit for "Ichi the Killer" appears is, in fact, REAL HUMAN SEMEN.

And Tsukamoto "donated" it.

Just, you know, FYI...

:)

fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Monday, 26 June 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen PLENTY of movies with real human semen.

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Monday, 26 June 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Dandy.

But me, I've even seen it a few times IN REAL LIFE.

Top that, tough guy...

fuckfuckingfuckedfucker (fuckfuckingfuckedfucker), Monday, 26 June 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

What's that, a reality show or something?

dr lulu (dr lulu), Monday, 26 June 2006 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i just saw the 'new' yamada film the hidden blade the other night. somewhat garden variety and ponderous, but enough samurai to make it worthwhile, especially the "don't move him-- he's probably a sea of blood inside" maneuver..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 05:14 (seventeen years ago) link

A lot of foreign film afficionados tend to get miffed that Kurosawa gets
discussed endlessly, while many other great Japanese directors are ignored.
But Kurosawa's so damn good it's hard to find fault with him.

They're all so good, in different ways. _Ikiru_'s dying bueauracrat, with
his last redemptive quest to build a playground for inner city children,
really exemplifies the idea that any ordinary person can find it in
themselves to struggle against injustice, and win a personal victory
against the night.

Or how about _Seven Samurai_'s vagabond warriors, lovable, stern, mostly
over-the-hill men who find it in themselves to fight for a cause not their
own, against suicidal odds. In the hands of another director, it would just
be another action-adventure. But leave it to Kurosawa to keenly zoom in
on the human element, the internal struggles that will strike a chord with
anyone that has a pulse, in any country, any era. Witness the youngest
samurai, determined to make a name for himself, fearless in battle;
yet totally uncertain and confused when faced with the lust of a village
waif.

Kurosawa Movies I Haven't Seen:
Madadayo (1993)
Dodesukaden
Red Beard
High And Low
Scandal
The Quiet Duel
I Live In Fear (also Record Of A Living Being)
Drunken Angel

which one of these should I watch first?

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't seen them all, but High and Low is fucking great.

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i own ugetsu and still haven't watched it :(

joseph (joseph), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

This thread neds more Kiyoshi Kurosawa, because Pulse and Retribution are awesome and I really want to see Cure.

Will M., Thursday, 1 November 2007 16:11 (sixteen years ago) link

err, "needs." Apologies to Ned.

Will M., Thursday, 1 November 2007 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

anyone know an Ichikawa film based on Mishima, called Conflagration? May see tonight.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I really enjoyed Miike's The Bird People in China. I'm not really even sure if it's a good movie or if the concepts just resonate w/ me. Lots of great suggestions on this thread. Will bookmark!

rockapads, Thursday, 17 July 2008 06:09 (fifteen years ago) link

well, Voice is underwhelmed by this 10-hour revival:

http://daily.greencine.com/archives/006393.html

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 July 2008 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Seen a few films on NFT's Japanese Gems season, which is now near its end.

Conflagration was one of them. I found Oshima's Ceremony to be a far more faithful expression of Mishima's dissatisfaction with the way Japan went after WWII (even if politically they are at polar opposites of the spectrum). Ichikawa's film is too literal, with its moments.

Other highlights => Kurosawa's Ikiru, feeling drained this morning.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 07:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Ikiru was good but it dragged at the end.

ledge, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 09:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Ikiru never dragged for me. My issues, if any, were with the basic story construction: local government never gets anything done, the world of politics hand-in-hand with gangsters, etc. which might've been saying something in a world recently ravaged by war but now simply feeds into everyone's cynicism these days. But the film had this (surely, even now) combination of hard iron laughs and fighting back the tears moments (I failed at this).

The switching of straight melodrama to recounting the struggle after Watanabe's death, using the tricks in Rashomon, suggesting that Watanabe wasn't -- just maybe -- as heroic really lifted the whole thing to some place else.

The acting as well...I don't have much of an appreciation of it, but recounting all I've seen I enjoyed almost every performance.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I only saw Black Rain at this particular NFT JPfest, wish I'd seen some of the others now. I did see Death Note 1&2 at the ICA to make up for it though.

Every time this thread is revived I seethe inwardly at the stupidity of the thread title.

Matt #2, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Ikiru is great!

Saw the Seven Samurai the other day, but my two favourite samurai both got killed - the cool one and the crazy one. I thought this was unnecessary.

Stray Dog is also good!

jel --, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha Matt! The thread starter was there last night at the same screening :-)

I think the two Ichikawa films were disappointing. Really Actor's Revenge is pretty incredible but I wonder if its a one off. The one Imamura flick I saw was nice but next to Oshima and Kurosawa its a lot of meh. Missed the Suzuki yakuza stuff.

That is probably the one really great season the NFT have got on now for the next 2-3 months. August looks a bit lame.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Miracle Fortress is another good Kurosawa movie.

(But Ikiru is my favourite, even though i agree it dragged at the end)

Ludo, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link

heh Miracle Fortress.. it's Hidden Fortress)

Ludo, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyone have any thoughts on Marebito? Just saw it, and thought it was spectacular, oddly terrifying and contemplative at the same time.

Netflix has made finding these films so much easier, which in some strange way almost diminishes their impact. I doubt I would have been quite so amazed by Tetsuo if I hadn't watched it after finding it shoved behind other stuff in a shitty small town video store.

BLACK BEYONCE, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link

It's interesting that Japan has produced the greatest film ever made (Ran) as well as the worst (Pinch Runner).

shieldforyoureyes, Thursday, 31 July 2008 16:07 (fifteen years ago) link

The bits of Ran I saw put me off Kurosawa until recently.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 31 July 2008 20:38 (fifteen years ago) link

anyone seen Kaneto Shindo's The Island?

http://www.filmlinc.com/wrt/onsale/kawakita/theislandakanakedisland.html

Dr Morbius, Monday, 11 August 2008 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Kiyoshi Kurosawa really should be on this thread more. Just watched Doppleganger and it was fantastic.

CHARMING LMAO (John Justen), Friday, 21 November 2008 07:56 (fifteen years ago) link


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