So ILE doesn't have a Meredith Kercher/FoxyKnoxy murder thread yet?

i don't think many people dispute the investigation was badly done, though given how badly, it is then surprising that the prosecution won.

i've not been in that situation, but i hope that if i were asked to talk about a hypothetical situation i wouldn't actually accuse someone else of the crime. (im pretty sure asking "leading questions" is part of murder police are supposed to do, though.)

Again tho, being a bit of a douche doesn't make yr conviction safe.

why is it hard to believe that sometimes people on drugs do amazingly awful things?

uhhh they were smoking hashish

could've led to listening to Phish

but I'm not sure how you can convict someone without any evidence of them being there at the time.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/other/1974/faul76a.gif

And, you know, loads of others.

Was going to respond with something similar to that to Marco wrt to the italian legal system being no better or worse than any other western one, certainly if you compare it to, say, one where judges are elected based on the prejudices. This certainly isn't the Dreyfuss affair.

Is Italian legal theory not based on the principle of reasonable doubt? Failure to deliver justice is preferable to performing a second injustice.

well, whoever did the birmingham bombing wasn't *there at the time* of course, and the six had a pretty watertight alibi on that score.

And I'm sorry Suzy but this...

I'm not surprised by this verdict but I don't think this woman would have gotten a guilty sentence in the US.

...just makes me mad.

I said this, not sure what makes you mad about it. In California we had someone who willfully beat his own infant to death and got manslaughter and was let out in 11 years, who then appears to have gone on and killed another kid. The US justice system is a weird and unpredictable thing I guess.

Sorry I totally misinterpreted you.

The reporting non this is just crap. Take the broken window.

BBC yesterday.
Afterwards they tried to make the death look like part of a failed burglary, breaking the window in Miss Kercher's room to look like forced entry. But police realised it had been done from the inside.

BBC today.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46857000/jpg/_46857947_knox_house466x600.jpg

Is this a contradiction or just badly written?

Less armchair investigation, more hot pix of the murderess.

yea one of the 'friends of amanda' ppl also said that she was just responding to a hypothetical, cooperating w/ police ~ what she would have heard if she had been home, etc

This is how the dude in John Grisham's The Innocent Man was convicted, too. Spent 11 years on death row before being exonerated.

To Ned and Ed: I'm not implying that other legal systems are good or better, I'm just saying that very often here in Italy investigations and trials are surrounded by a very thick cloud of ineptitude and plain dumbness.
The Knox-Kercher thing is not the Dreyfus affair but it is a link in a long long chain of truly embarrassing trials: it got international exposure because it involved US and Uk citizens, but there have been at least other four or five recent cases where people have been kept in prison for years and sometimes even condemned on totally nebolous premises.

Also, our judges are not elected but there can be other (very) serious problems: a judicial system where, among many other problems, the defence doesn't have the same rights of the prosecutor and where that same prosecutor is not going to be considered responsible for any of his mistakes (despite a referendum sanctioning his civil liability) doesn't seem that well to me.

Finally Italian legal system is obviously based on the principle reasonable doubt, that's why this sentence is particularly strident.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/amanda.knox/index.html?eref=rss_crime

I hope like hell she gets out. Poor kid. I miss her long hair.

any news?

I hope like hell she gets out. Poor kid. I miss her long hair.

― kkvgz, Sunday, June 13, 2010 12:36 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark

are you generally chill with murderers?

She's starting her appeal in October (according to CNN) or November (according to the DMail), hopefully (for her) her lawyers will know the actual date.

I hope like hell she gets out.

A bit like Al-Megrahi, difference being we all know for sure he didn't do it

WTF

'Heroes' star cast in Amanda 'Foxy Knoxy' Knox biopic

Maybe they should wait until this isn't being appealed?

maybe it'll be like that jeffrey archer play and the audience will get 2 decide if she's guilty at the end of the film (could be a good social networking gimmick)

An American is in prison abroad. A good looking one too. And white. That's what really counts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO46MFEbzNY&feature=player_embedded

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-neverending-nightmare-of-amanda-knox-20110627?print=true

yeah it is such a nightmare when you murder someone and have to go to the big house

wow i didn't realise you'd witnessed the murder

i mean i'm wary of the tone of Rolling Stone article but if half of its assertions are factual then there's no way you shd be able to get a conviction on those grounds.

What is your story, History Mayne? You've made a couple of those weirdly perfunctory posts.

(this legit question coming from someone who's only read a few of these big articles, all of which seem to convincingly point to some pretty questionable shit about her role in it all)

amanda knox is history mayne's oj

lol

heh. just trolling out on a sunday afternoon is all.

She Got the Questions

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/110922-knox-vmed-450p.grid-4x2.jpg

Coming down the home stretch now.

similar issues have been touched on in the death penalty thread and i wanna be tactful but the Kercher family are being dicks about this really

huge dicks! it's okay, you don't have to be tactful

Eh. It's all terribly sad. They're dealing with a tremendous loss and people who have told them everything was one way are now telling them that it was a different way. It's gotta tear them up something bad.

The best thing anyone can hope for is that if Knox is truly innocent, that she'll be freed.

Buongiorno, one the highest-profile lawyers in Italy, attacked media coverage of the trial as sensational, saying it could have affected what witnesses told the court.

And she compared Knox to the voluptuous cartoon character Jessica Rabbit, who protests, "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way," in the movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"

i don't know everything about this case (i read the rolling stone thing + that's about it); it is nice to think that someone went to prison in such a way and wasn't necessarily, inevitably totally destroyed by it

decision expected in a few hours i believe

I just saw her statement to the court - interesting

"I didn't realise how serious life is" is not the best ever explanation for cartwheels in the nick

"It's difficult to speak of forgiveness at this time. Four years is a very long time but on the other hand, it's not and it's still very, very raw," Lyle Kercher told a news conference on Monday afternoon.

don't think anybody's asking them to forgive anybody who committed the murder

wow, she lost the appeal

woah WHAT

she totally didn't but one second ago the guardian liveblog said 'know has lost her appeal'

so yeah she is, they are, free