A Paler Shade of White---Sasha Frere-Jones Podcast and New Yorker article Criticizing Indie Rock for Failing to Incorporate African-American Influences

would make for a great video

what is it with asians and rap anyway

^ (jokes, bruvs)

http://sfj.abstractdynamics.org/archives/jin.jpg

post an updated pic when it melts

lol I trust you checked the img src

we needz more martina tipsy bird collaborationz!!!

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517A0JQ3ZQL._SS500_.jpg

Let’s say you and a friend are watching the NBA playoffs this weekend and during a time out, a commercial comes on for a certain wildly popular brand of shoe. Now in the commercial for this wildly popular brand of shoe, Kevin Garnett and Sharif Abdur-Rahim are teaching kids how to play basketball in a giant pool, and behind the action there’s a wildy funky beat. Let’s say your friend turns to you and asks, "Nevermind the commercial — Who’s behind that wildly funky beat?" You can turn to your friend and say, "Why, that’s the Lynnfield Pioneers with ’Time to Get Dumb.’ I’ve got the record right here." Then the both of you can turn off your TV and rock out to the wildly funky music.

lol I trust you checked the img src

-- rogermexico., Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:34 AM

indeed!

"About five years ago, Asians began to rediscover the pleasures of rhythm."

xpost

What was the "blackest" point in Stereolab's career?

the 1st track on ETK sounds just like Mary Lou Williams' "Credo" from 1970

Wasn't it a lift from Gil-Scott Heron?

I only listened to the blackest Doom!!

it's about time this thread got legitimately ridiculous, just in case the Da Capo people were giving this serious thought.

hi dere!

http://www.areavoices.com/areascene/images/thumbnail/harmar1.jpg

I got the hyphen wrong, it's Gil Scott-Heron.

wtf scott

"About five years ago, indie rock began to rediscover its sense of rhythm in Har Mar Superstar's pants."

for some reason this thread makes me want to hear ween. something i haven't done in years.

killer guitar on this live version of reggaejunkiejew:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFXiGhQz8Vs

"am i too white for ya?"
http://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/3cfdcd71/music_phases-15061.jpeg

Meanwhile, Bobby Brown will be incorporating hillbilly influences!

http://www.cmt.com/news/articles/1572309/20071018/rich_john.jhtml

http://www1.gitarrebass.de/magazine/0607/jonny_winter.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/412H05503BL._AA240_.jpg

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/3/3d/GRLOGO1.jpg

^ exhibit A in '90s indie's post-snoop malaise

I can't even remember, but has anyone bothered to point out that from the 90s on the "alternative to what" question would generally be answered with top 40 pop that does nothing BUT incorporate African-American influences hi dere Backstreet/'N Sync/BritBrit/Xtina/Justin? I mean, christ, if your Pitchforkia ain't giving you enough flava shit ain't hard to find.

I'm too blasted to be really coherent but this is part of what I was getting at before. Simon Reynolds was pointing this out in 1986 in "Against Health and Efficiency," discussing it as a defining quality of the type of indie SFJ is discussing, with far more depth and insight.

I think this probably sums up the thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXsobuMpiSE

Seeing KRS-One being honored on the BET Rap Awards I thought back about his collaboration with REM. Like the Judgment Night soundtrack mentioned earlier, it was not exactly a turning point.

Meanwhile, California dj El Canyonazo, is over in Granada in Southern Spain and he offered this e-mail to blogger Wayne Marshall included in an October 13, 2007 Wayne Marshall (Wayne and Wax blog)posting wrt 'whiteness'

wrt whiteness: I’m DJing at a spot in Granada (Babylon, its called, lamentably) that advertises itself as a hiphop club. We pull a huge Senegalese crowd every night. The weekend DJ is Senegalese — he plays a lot of Akon. The Senegalese come decked to the tens everynight (5950s, Tims, white Ts, fake chains), following strictly hiphop’s ethics of aesthetics. Their English isnt that good, so they dont really understand most of the lyrics, which is probably why they love the southern shit, Young Buck, Lil Wayne, Yung Juc, etc. Then theres the American white kids, school year abroad college juniors looking for a little slice of home. They want the Jay-Z, Kanye, Timbaland. Their appropriation of hip-hop garb is less blatant (they seem more aware of their own ridiculousness and therefore more a bit more restrained in blatant copycatting) but its still clear that theyre not repping their own style, but borrowing from something they learned on TV. There’s something that strikes me awkward about the whole scene: (Black) Africans and (White) Americans listening to African-American music. Neither group can wholeheartedly claim the culture as their own — both groups have one foot each inside hiphop, but a different foot. Not sure of my own point, a sloppy one nonetheless, but there’s something very “white” about the Senegalese hiphoppers. This isnt about authenticity (I know you love that word), but just looking natural, like you’re comfortable wearing your own skin. Gawkward.

http://wayneandwax.com/

"After all, where is all the criticizm of current R&B lacking great melodies with a great building from verse to chorus, where is the critizism of R&B and hip-hop lacking sophisticated art rock values?"

these discussions can frequently be had on okayplayer.com.

http://meuwebsite.com.br/marciadp/imagens/instrumental/hermeto_pascoal.jpg

i like where this thread has ended up

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/do-you-feel-indie-music-412782.html

"WhitePeopleFTW"

wau

A++++ trolling

SEIG HEIL

http://www.blogotheque.net/IMG/jpg/Neutral_Milk_Hotel_-_In_the_Aeroplane_Over_the_Sea.jpg

very good

Unfortunately, it isn't the most white-friendly of genres

My favorites are Neutral Milk Hotel, Animal Collective, Modest Mouse, and Arcade Fire. I'm pretty sure all of these bands are completely white, so you should check them out

"The band's second LP, In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, released in 1998, is notable as a critically acclaimed work and a widely popular recording. It is a spiritually motivated work conceptually based on the beauty to be found in the horrific fate of Anne Frank."

oh snap

looooooooool @ sieg heil

In The Arado Ar 234 Over The Sea

# "Dumbledore is Gay" sez Rowling [Started by BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, last updated Sunday, October 21, 2007 1:49 PM] 53 new answers

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Today 01:28 AM

big hoos aka the siegheiler

haha i was gonna say that but it seemed a bit mean

either way, inventing nazi overtones in Neutral Milk Hotel records is way more fun than rehashing how Phil Anselmo is a dick.

I can't even remember, but has anyone bothered to point out that from the 90s on the "alternative to what" question would generally be answered with top 40 pop that does nothing BUT incorporate African-American influences hi dere Backstreet/'N Sync/BritBrit/Xtina/Justin?

i don't know about "nothing but" -- i mean what about Max Martin? he's sort of continuing the work of ABBA in a lot of ways, and although it incorporates beats and stuff like that from contemporary R&B, there's a hell of a lot of more tin pan alley tradition stuff there (which in itself i guess was probably a miscegenated music anyway), but hell Geir like Max Martin, you know.

Haha! I called HOOS a whitey!

-- The Reverend, Friday, October 5, 2007 9:36 PM (Friday, October 5, 2007 9:36 PM) Bookmark Link

lol

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, October 5, 2007 10:05 PM (Friday, October 5, 2007 10:05 PM) Bookmark Link

Haha! I called HOOS a whitey!

-- The Reverend, Friday, October 5, 2007 9:36 PM (Friday, October 5, 2007 9:36 PM) Bookmark Link

^^^this

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, October 5, 2007 10:05 PM (Friday, October 5, 2007 10:05 PM) Bookmark Link