Medicine "The Mechanical Forces Of Love"

If this is wrong I don't want to be right! However, you at least make it sound like Brad is finally playing to his strengths, ie computer manipulation, when it comes to Medicine, because all the early stuff is and remains el craptastic.

Ned, I don't get you at all here. The first two Medicine albums are incredible. Why do you like a ton of noise pop and shoegaze, yet dismiss Shot Forth Self Living without a second thought?

Nick, what did you think of the album(s) you picked up?

The first two medicine albums are fucking great. MBV is the obvious comparison, but i think of Medicine as being sort of warm and inviting, while MBV is comparatively distant and icier. Different shoegaze for different moods, I suppose.

"One More" transcends the genre just as much as anything MBV did IMO. Laner's controlled-noise approach was, at its best, second only to Shields' in the pantheon of 'gaze effects-pedal freaks and differed almost completely from Shields' "glide guitar" method. I like their first two records alot, but there is far too much filler on both (especially SFSL) for them to be considered classics. If you took the high points from both and condensed them into one record it would make the 'gaze all-time top 10 easily. Maybe even 5.

I like their first two records alot, but there is far too much filler on both (especially SFSL) for them to be considered classics. If you took the high points from both and condensed them into one record it would make the 'gaze all-time top 10 easily. Maybe even 5.

Definitely 5, in my opinion. I can't even think of other shoegaze bands that are even in the same league as MBV, Slowdive, and Medicine. Ride, Swervedriver, and Chapterhouse are middling at best IMHO.

Is personal for Ned. Brad killed his father. ;-)

SFSL is def in my top 5 but I never ever managed to get into that last 2003 album. For me it's a different band (which it is, I know I know)

So what exactly is Ned's beef with this band? Honestly, I prefer the best songs of Medicine and Slowdive to the best songs of MBV any day of the week. I don't give a shit how that impacts my credibility. In fact, my favorite songs on "Loveless" are the ones that sound most like Slowdive ("When you Sleep" and "Sometimes").

Didn't like it, long since sold on, never investigated further.

Dude, and you raved about the Manitoba record. And Maps. SHAME ON YOU.

I did not rave about Maps; for two days I said it was good, and then I did a massive about-face and told everyone it was rubbish. And that Manitoba record is still fantastic! Plus he got better with the next two!

Ned?

Cool house!

Wow, I'm not really a fan of California moderism, but that house really does make me rethink that stance, it is gorgeously done.

(I think probably because I'm used to seeing only bad knockoffs, or else houses in that style that have been customised so much as to turn them into something else, something ugly.)

The subject of this thread remains one of my favourite albums of the 00s. I imported it onto my iPhone the other week and it still makes me happy every time I hear it. It combines so many different aspects of so many musical aesthetics I love that it's almost perfectly like it was made for my listening pleasure.

awesome! Jeez how I sometimes miss SoCal...

Awesome, awesome, awesome.

Between that and the shots of Wayne Coyne's place that surfaced after the remodel, clearly the new frontier for musicians is interior decorating.

I somehow missed Wayne Coyne's crib. Can you point me in that direction?

Go nuts:

http://gizmodo.com/5471139/the-flaming-lips-crib-is-even-more-psychedelic-than-their-music

unhappy911truthers.tumblr.com

I don't think I could live in either of those. But I suppose that's the problem with Statement Architecture. :-/

could never live in Coyne's but Laner's house seems very easy to live in!

I'm way too messy to ever live in a house like Laner's.

But then again, I suppose his studio probably was completely tidied up and everything packed away for the photo shoot.

The subject of this thread remains one of my favourite albums of the 00s.

This is interesting. I love my other Medicine albums and Kate, I think we have a lot of overlapping tastes, but I consider this album to be one of the worse "final" albums out there by a band, kind of in the same league as Tarantula or something... I just can't get into it at ALL.

I dunno, in retrospect, I might almost like it *more* than the other Medicine albums. I probably play it more often than the others. Though that could have more to do with my changing tastes in music than the quality of the other albums. I recognise that it is two different bands that made the first 3 Medicine albums, and then this one. It's just more like the final one is more where I'm at now, musically, than the others.

wowee zowee, who knew that shoegazing paid so well? did Brad Laner marry into money?...trust fund?...The story says his mom's name is Koenig...there must be some connection to the famed Case Study House architect Pierre Koenig...I am loving his digs!...wasn't there a rendering of such a house on one of his LP covers?

Holy shit I love Medicine!

That's what Jason Pierce said...

Oh wait.

Brada Laner appears to have a solo record coming out, had a listen to one track and it sounds pretty great.

http://home-tapes.com/Hometapes/HAUS_HT031.html

Brada, duh!

This is relevant to my interests...

Got the CD from HomeTapes yesterday, sounds great on first listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x2rnXCU6xs

Ah, it's on Spotify, as well. Cool. Because I'm interested to hear which way it goes. If it's the more electronic cut-up psych end, then I'll bite, but if it's just 60s tinged Beatley psych, I really don't need any more of that in my life.

shot forth self living is an incredibly difficult listen but so rewarding. a medicine thread should be started other than this one. aruca is a beast of a song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96qQ6y_QpIc

<3 aruca, so so great

This is the only Medicine thread? Ridiculous! :-)

In any case, re-issues of the awesome SFSL and similarly awesome Buried Life here :

http://capturedtracks.com/shoegaze-archives/medicine/

...and lookee... Always Starting To Stop is here :

http://bradlaner.bandcamp.com/album/always-starting-to-stop

Thanks, Brad!

You didn't get the box? It's got everything you need!

wow I never saw this! Is the remaster job worth it?

I actually didn't open mine yet... I'll let you know!

Medicine kicks ass. I can't believe this is the only Medicine thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73_bmAZ7B-w&feature=related

tell me that song doesn't kick ass in a way that MBV never could

Indeed, it does, with a dollop of Beach Boys thrown in for good measure.

I picked up the expanded reissues of the first two albums on Record Store Day. The remastering is pretty good, but it's the extra tracks that make the thing.

I saw them around the time of The Buried Life, and it was a good but strange show. The drummer had some weird dynamic going with somebody in the audience, the music got really slowed down and hypnotic, the drummer and the singer appeared to be goading the crowd into some kind of response, and the girl I took kept having to go into the next room because the music was so loud. (Great place to take a first date, eh?)

I half-skimmed this thread on the bus yesterday and got my hopes completely up by misreading / misunderstanding and thought there was a NEW new Medicine album, as opposed to reissues and the live tape. Man, don't get my hopes up like that.

But it least it got me to dig out the other albums, and blog about them for music diary week 2012.

They do just seem like one of those bands that kind of fell between the cracks, but I also kinda like that they were this undiscovered secret between obsessives.

So...I wrote this:

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16507-shot-forth-self-living-the-buried-life/

Well.

I'm glad that you challenged your own preconceptions. And I'm glad that you admitted your own prejudices in the course of the article.

But I just really, really wish that Medicine had been better served. Like, I guess if the option is "guy who admits he hates them" vs "no one writes an article at all" the former is the latter of two evils.

Maybe it's that "a prophet is never appreciated in their own land" thing. (I mean, I have a friend who grew up in London who, to this day, thinks of Spacemen 3 as "that awful band who always used to play with My Bloody Valentine.") I also suspect that an American Anglophile is never going to like an American band who plays within a "British" genre.

I guess it's good for me to finally have some answers of why you've hated them for so long, but I can't help, as a completely obsessive fan, feeling a bit butthurt.

sort of agree. given that pitchfork reviews appear not as individual assessments but as the site's verdict and that the site is such a prominent arbiter of taste, it's a bit disappointing that they gave these to someone who at best was going to find out that "hey, they don't suck half as bad as i thought."

on the strength of ilm love i have over the years picked up 2 medicine albums.
the debut album that ned reviews, and mechanical forces.
everytime this thread gets revived i've tried each album again.
but i struggle.
something just does not click for me, yet all the necessary ingredients for love from yours truly are all there.
maybe one day the penny will drop (knowing my head, it could even happen tomorrow)
i wonder headphone listening would open the album up more for me ..

I don't know guys, as I pointed out on Twitter, I could certainly do with MORE Pitchfork reviews that felt as personal and as honest as those did. Pitchfork has enough other sections of their site to be tastemakers, that I enjoy detours like Ned's. Of course this can lead to the slippery slope where the reviewer spends more time talking about what he drank the night he saw the band in question play, but I also think Pitchfork has enough really solid writers to indulge in this sort of thing more often. Granted, I'm not as personally invested in Medicine, so I saw them as a great read instead of something to get butthurt by.

I'm not the only one I know who found Medicine to be a lot more interesting than most of the other bands named as preferable in Ned's review. This wasn't a band that came from shoegaze dreaminess and then slowly stirred increasing amounts of noise into arrangements of lovely songs; this was a band that started from a love of industrial noise and then grafted the pop on top of it. And it was a graft; saying that it doesn't 'gel' is kind of missing the point. Spending time comparing them unfavorably to Blur or Curve instead of mentioning this as more of a meeting of Merzbow or Whitehouse and the Beach Boys with occasional guest appearances from the actual Elizabeth Fraser (and not mentioning her collaboration with them on their biggest hit seemed like an omission that would have helped potential fans quickly understand where this band was coming from; or mentioning Laner's time in Savage Republic, or etc etc). I get that the appeal of Pitchfork is the emotional space to have these gut-level responses, but at the same time it's truly a shame that this is going to be their most widely read american review

& just to clarify by my use of the word 'graft': it wouldn't have worked if they hadn't grafted some pretty awesome songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib6THw-d0c8

Shhh ! Ned might hear you.

Lol Brad that post has some of the worst sentences I've written all year; my bad.

Album is great, though: "Turning" is nothing but big-drum fun and you guys have really learned how to take those jarring shifts from the last album and turn them into something sort of close to killer hooks in their own right (not that the melodies dont have tons of hooks on their own)

Thanks for listening, glad you like it !

God when I get paid I am going to buy ALL THE ALBUMS. I feel like I'm missing out on so much right now.

Cool video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK9iM5dilLY#t=60

Really enjoying Home Everwhere!

Thanks ! Video was made by Vinyl Williams, also the drummer in the Morgan Delt live band FWIW.

love the new album. so good to have this band back.

Thanks, really glad you like it !