Joseph L. Mankiewicz – Search & Destroy

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I am a bit appalled by the affection for Suddenly Last Summer.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

whyzat?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

And so is Gore Vidal. (xpost)

I find the camp lines and performances grueling instead of fun. Apparently Katherine Hepburn slapped Mankiewicz on the last day of production.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Cleopatra is worth seeing if for nothing else than the setwork is unbelievable and Elizabeth Taylor was ungodly hot back in those days.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 02:00 (seventeen years ago) link

What Earl Nash sez. I will defend Cleopatra till the day I die -- imperfect but what an incredible, ridiculous indulgence. First saw it when I was nine and I now have the fancy DVD version, AND I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I am a bit appalled by the affection for Suddenly Last Summer.

This is why created this thread, isn't it?

I think the movie's very fashionable. Absolutely love the shot of Liz's spike heels walking the platform above the snake pit.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:21 (seventeen years ago) link

one of the best things about suddenly, last summer is that it has a comma in it for no apparent reason.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 05:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I still think All About Eve is the best. Some of the most literate mass-market films ever made (and then you notice odd details such as 'this guy got hold of X, Y and Z first to do scores/photography/costumes etc'). But Eric is an evil perfumed parlour snake for defiling the ghost rape movie, which is ace (score: Bernard Herrmann, costumes Oleg Cassini) and also the last film made by Gene Tierney before her life went shite. There was a horrible rumour there was going to be a remake a few years ago.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 06:20 (seventeen years ago) link

This is why created this thread, isn't it?

I'm just amused. As a fan of Ten Commandments-style indulgence, I suppose I should rescreen Cleopatra.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I got no problems with S,LS either. What Eric said.

TS: Snakepit scene in S,LS vs. the one in Shock Corridor

Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Eric H. loves the grueling camp, as his last few DVD reviews have demonstrated!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

The ghost rape film could otherwise be ironically titled All About Faghags.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Appreciating camp isn't unlike weight room reps, I think. And both make you stronger for it.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

You're a camp counselor! (The popular def of 'camp' has been dumbed down to anything that gets laughs at the Film Forum, ie almost everything more than 20 years old.)

I read somewhere that Spencer Tracy and Mankiewicz had to explain Sebastian's character to Kate H, cuz she just didn't get it.

My memory of Cleopatra from "The 4:30 Movie" is that the Rex Harrison half ain't bad.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 June 2006 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

seven years pass...

A Letter to Three Wives is good. (David Bordwell introduced--I'm going to try to get down tomorrow, too, when he's there for Mildred Pierce.) The Jeanne Crain segment is ordinary, but happily it's the shortest. Ann Sothern's dinner party is masterful (except for Douglas's self-righteous speech), and the Linda Darnell/Paul Douglas segment felt very contemporary. (Agree with Kael that he's great--they both are.) And Thelma Ritter's as good here as in Rear Window. Don't know how they ever got Kirk Douglas's penetration joke past the censors.

When I was still in school, we had Mankiewicz in as a guest speaker. He would have been 72 or 73 at the time. It felt like a big deal, but you don't properly appreciate something like that when you're 20.

clemenza, Monday, 17 March 2014 02:39 (ten years ago) link

judging from the clips, I need to see The Honey Pot.

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 March 2014 12:09 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...
three months pass...

Robert Koehler surveys the career -- "Joseph L. Mankiewicz favored sophisticated storytelling over dynamic visuals—so what?":

The characters talk on and on in Cleopatra, although the film has its defenders and is worth debate. Its elephantine physical production mirrors how the characters in the foreground think about their ambitions. Yet they might be discussing Hollywood as much as ancient Rome, and the impossible demands made by that entity—specifically the nightmarish production of this movie, as a sensitive, intelligent man (Mankiewicz’s on-screen proxy being Richard Burton’s Antony) is crushed by forces beyond his control.

Mankiewicz may or may not have intended the parallel in that case, but one explicit autobiographical gesture is Cary Grant’s physician-professor Noah Praetorius in People Will Talk (51), perhaps the oddest movie in the filmmaker’s career. Based on a German play and produced just after the Directors Guild mess, much of the film concerns the witch hunt against the doctor by small-minded colleagues. It’s also full of philosophical asides from Grant’s character on everything from medical practice to modern methods of producing butter. Mankiewicz seems to speak through Dr. Praetorius, perhaps even in his shrugging off a mood as “just my usual twilight melancholy,” a line that typifies Mankiewicz’s propensity to overwrite. And yet one wishes he’d had more shots at that sort of directness. At the end of his life Mankiewicz sounded irritated by his Hollywood career, which clearly did not allow him full expression of his ambitions—or an escape from the prison of wit.

http://www.filmcomment.com/article/the-typewriter-and-the-camera

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 September 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link

has anyone seen his Serling-scripted, nuke-themed Scrooge TV movie?

Sterling Hayden is the Scrooge figure, a wealthy businessman who has become a pitiless warmonger after his son’s death in WWII. He is visited, like Scrooge, by the Ghosts of Christmas Past (Steve Lawrence, who gave Mankiewicz’s favorite performance in the film), Present (Pat Hingle), and Future (Robert Shaw), the last of whom conducts Hayden through a post-nuclear world, inhabited by a band of survivors led by Peter Sellers.

http://www.filmlinc.com/nyff2014/films/a-carol-for-another-christmas

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 19:29 (nine years ago) link

People Will Talk (51), perhaps the oddest movie in the filmmaker’s career

This film is quite an odd duck. I'd say more, but that would require spoilers.

Aimless, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 19:35 (nine years ago) link

"a band of survivors led by Peter Sellers"!!!

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 19:44 (nine years ago) link

Lis "is terribly touching" in SLS? Oh vey

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 21:02 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

The Serling teleplay is fascinating -- preachy but not awful -- worth seeing once.

Last night I saw The Honey Pot, a fairly typical Old Master inflated mess of the period (like Wilder's Sherlock Holmes, or what Huston did for some of the '60s) with diverting pieces. Not only based on Volpone, the characters reference it constantly... Rex Harrison, unusually animated for his post-Oscar era, is a millionaire with a Venetian palazzo who invites 3 old flames to visit so he can play a prank re inheriting his fortune (or so it seems). Cliff Robertson is game tho miscast, but fortunately young Maggie Smith turns out to be the female lead, as Susan Hayward's nurse.

Rex is basically a heterosexualized Addison DeWitt, and he's in a bedroom clinch with Edie Adams (as a dumb Hollywood star) when he growls, "You're so... basic."

It's on Hulu.

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link

i feel like mankiewicz's late career is riddled with such borderline grotesqueries

boy "mankiewicz" is hard to spell

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:47 (nine years ago) link

Dragonwicz

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:47 (nine years ago) link

a lot of the films the "old masters" made with the new freedoms of the late 60s and beyond have an element of the grotesque or simply the gauche. e.g. wyler's liberation of l.b. jones.

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:48 (nine years ago) link

or, y'know, SKIDOO

I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:49 (nine years ago) link

they only showed There Was a Crooked Man once, couldn't get to it

Harrison character's one regret in Honey Pot is he never became a ballet dancer, there's a scene of a double whirling around his boudoir to "Dance of the Hours."

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:50 (nine years ago) link

Rex is basically a heterosexualized Addison DeWitt, and he's in a bedroom clinch with Edie Adams (as a dumb Hollywood star) when he growls, "You're so... basic."

So, another gay catchphrase coined by Mank. Good job, straight dude!

Eric H., Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:56 (nine years ago) link

Is it possible, even conceivable

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link

five years pass...

new book on the brothers Mank:

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/6783-january-books

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 21:57 (four years ago) link

seven months pass...

Dragonwyck is quite an auspicious debut, and only 4 years before All About Eve. Gene Tierney at her best, Vincent Price and Walter Huston as well (tho the latter comes and goes).

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that both Tierney and Teresa Wright performed truncated radio performances of the piece around the same time--I can't help thinking of Wright whenever I see Tierney. They look so similar... Wright was a better actress, but Tierney had the glow of a star. Such a shame their work is so limited (Tierney had her issues and Wright did her best work in the theater).

flappy bird, Thursday, 27 August 2020 04:38 (three years ago) link


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