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It's sort of the college-rock version of when people used to tell me, "Oh, it's OK that Silverchair suck--they're JUST KIDS!"

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 8 August 2005 05:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Then again, I am still grinning ear-to-ear from hearing a Janice Dickinson autobio being read aloud from last week--like Mickey Spillane if he'd been a coke-huffing $20k/day supermodel in the '70s/'80s--so I am ultra-sympathetic to Nabisco's delineation of college creative-writing assignment writing as a genre.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 8 August 2005 05:55 (eighteen years ago) link

It's sort of the college-rock version of when people used to tell me, "Oh, it's OK that Silverchair suck--they're JUST KIDS!"
-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...), August 8th, 2005.

No, he genuinely likes the stuff. I do, too.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 8 August 2005 06:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I know he does and you do. It's the explanation I'm not buying. At least for my purposes--it's a great, passionate, articulate defense (even if it is filled with more qualifiers than any defense should contain), but if anything it strengthens my suspicions. Which is fine--you can't convince everyone. Loved reading it, though.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 8 August 2005 06:05 (eighteen years ago) link

1) I mean, c'mon, why do you people want to STOP people from writing cool songs about the deaths of toreadors?

you rock so hard.

2) "back o' the moon" is on wishing chair, not tribe.

3) one of my favorite phenomena in music/whatever is when the artist's creativity/originality/sophistication of ideas supersedes her ability to carry it all out technically. i was thinking about this over the weekend w/r/t to some bands i like that usually get labeled "primitive" or not-especially-masterful but whose work is actually full of really sharp arrangements that i could really see being the envy of more practiced musicians. 10km, at their most interesting, fall into this group.

― my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 06:06 (eighteen years ago) link

haha I'd love to hear a cool song about a toreador's death! I just don't think it's gonna come from 10,000 Maniacs when it happens.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 8 August 2005 06:08 (eighteen years ago) link

and i don't just mean "whoa, the shaggs were like beefheart!" there's some forethought in there somewhere. (xpost)

― my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 06:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Only cost you eighty-eight cents (plus shipping) to find out if you are in the least interested.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 8 August 2005 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link

hey, what do you crazy kids think of my favorite?

― my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link

(my post was x-post to Matos)

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 8 August 2005 06:16 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG, listen to "Orange" and tell me 10,000 Maniacs were not one of biggest WTF bands evah.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 8 August 2005 06:46 (eighteen years ago) link

keep in mind i'm not talking so much about natalie as i am lombardo, buck, and the others.

― my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 06:47 (eighteen years ago) link

but i could be, if we're talking about her lyrics... what's so charming with the early stuff is that here's this young girl, an avid reader and someone who's JONESING to absorb and process information any way she can, and sometimes her small-town, underage, not-formally-educated brain is struggling to keep up with all the books she's crammed into it. it's not like listening to momus, who feels that he's the master of all he surveys and that information is there to amuuuuse him, daaahhhling. with natalie, it wasn't the quality of the lyrics, it was her invocation of a desire to get the hell out of jamestown.

― my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 06:54 (eighteen years ago) link

that's my favorite ILX post in months.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 8 August 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still amused my liking "Trouble Me" freaked out Nabisco.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 August 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG "Natalie Merchant = Momus" is a thought that will keep me warm and ROFFLing on those cold winter nights (not least because I'm not imagining Momus doing Natalie's uncoordinated twirly dance).

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Now imagine him doing it naked.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Momus often comes clothed in bold tones

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

The idea of Momus singing Cat Stevens amuses me v. much.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe they collaborated when he was married to that cute Bangladeshi woman.

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Now imagine him doing it naked.

DUCK, FIRST ROW OF THE AUDIENCE! (Second and third rows just have to lean back a little.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I have to ask, is this a parody thread that no one seems to have acknowledged as a parody thread and then engendered lots of really, really good, insightful discussion?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Gotta love ILM.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

But isn't that always the way, jaymc?

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Sadly, no! That's why I'm impressed!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG "Natalie Merchant = Momus"

haha no, no no no! contrasting not comparing, dude!

― my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

It is too late. The idea now thrives.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, Natalie Merchant is Momus?!!?

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Marissa and Natalie TOTALLY need to do a duet, and charge $500,000 for each copy.

I dig "Carnival" and "Trouble Me." Both good sunny pop songs.

There is some excellent guitar playing by Jennifer Turner on the former, and I suspect that if I listened to Blind Man's Zoo again I might find a gem or two that I've forgotten about. The rest of Ms. Merchant's work I can usually take or leave.

That said, please please let me never again hear "Because the Night." Has a great pedigree and all and I suppose I should like it, but in its bombast it always sounds to me like a lost Pat Benatar or maybe even Sheena Easton track from circa 1983.

― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I have to ask, is this a parody thread that no one seems to have acknowledged as a parody thread and then engendered lots of really, really good, insightful discussion?

i think it just started out as a pretty typical "ilm hates any female performer who isn't a nu-bubbledisco bimbo or adorably fucked-up rap chick" thread.

― my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Bombastic? That cover is about as bombastic as Crosby, Stills, and Nash.

(xpost)

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, Natalie Merchant is Momus?!!?

RESULT

― The Ghost of "Not" Is Such A Tiny, Easily-Missed Word (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh snap, Jody!

MPuff, It is awful. And I always assumed she got the lyric wrong and said "Love is a [picnic?] blanket, on which we feed." Or so I'd like to believe.

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

ILM has no patience for anyone who dislikes fun and shaving her armpits.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

i think it just started out as a pretty typical "ilm hates any female performer who isn't a nu-bubbledisco bimbo or adorably fucked-up rap chick" thread.

Wow, I'll take "Blatant Mischaracterizations Of A Ginormous Group Of People" for $1200, Alex.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

take it up with springsteen.

(ts: natalie's "because the night" vs pat benatar's "wuthering heights")

― my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

ILM has no patience for anyone who dislikes fun and shaving her armpits.
But doesn't the very song we're discussing right now prove you wrong, Alfred?

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

ILM has no patience for anyone who dislikes fun and shaving her armpits.
But doesn't the very song we're discussing right now prove you wrong, Alfred?

http://www.postmodern.com/~fi/pattipics/images/_easter.jpg

― my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

oh also, 10km's "the painted desert" vs pat benatar's "painted desert"!

― my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for the correction, Jody. Just do me a favor and don't rat me out to fact checking cuz.

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Did the Patti Smith parody Candi Slice shave HER pits?

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 8 August 2005 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Jody I have never felt closer to you than I do right now.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 8 August 2005 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

NB my Rough Guide should totally have included "Groove Dub."

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 8 August 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

There ain't much Patti Smith love on these boards, k/l.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 August 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

goddamn it, nabisco. am i allowed to hate ANY artists without someone whose taste i respect coming to their defense? shes like my sacred cow of hatred, and YOURE RUINING IT!

pete yorn? anyone wanna take a crack?

― petesmith (plsmith), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

shes like my sacred cow of hatred, and YOURE RUINING IT!

oh, nabisco's GREAT for that. it's wonderfully subversive.

― my favorite cover band, crystal shit (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Everything I've posted on this thread has been criticized, picked on, ridiculed, rebutted. I don't need to tack this from a bunch of sub-journalist timewasters. Goodbye, ILM!

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Yr first mistake is respecting my taste.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Couldn't stay away. Did you miss me?

nabisco, I was with you on those two My Favorite threads, if nothing else.

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

MIA threads touched
With the hand of Geir Hongro
American Idol stars
All mocked by Strongo
Marissa Merchants
All out of their heads
These are a few
Of my favorite threads...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

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