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holy shit @ this

Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Saturday, 9 January 2010 21:18 (fourteen years ago) link

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James Mitchell, Saturday, 9 January 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

lets not forget that rod liddle, he was the guy, who left his wife, FOR A YOUNG ONE

I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 9 January 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link

roger alton printed unmediated government lies in the run-up to the iraq war -- it was probably the most pro-war serious paper -- but weighing that up against liddle's attention-seeking auberon waugh impression is certainly a quandary.

jive bunny and the masterilxers (history mayne), Saturday, 9 January 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

All we need now is John Pilger editing the Telegraph, Peter Hitchens the Guardian and Roger Scruton Attitude magazine and all will be right with the world.

Freedom, Sunday, 10 January 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

well... the indie has always printed bruce anderson as well as various sub-guardian non-entities. it's the lib dems of newspapers. liddle used to get heat from the right for being a new labour stooge when he was on the today programme.

jive bunny and the masterilxers (history mayne), Sunday, 10 January 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

True. The Indie has Dominic Lawson, Howard Jacobson and Michael Brown as well amidst the pinkos, so in a way the ideologically all-over-the-place Liddle might actually be quite a sutiable choice.

Freedom, Sunday, 10 January 2010 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i kind of hoped that racist spectator piece would make his career less viable à la jan moir, not more

لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Sunday, 10 January 2010 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Getting in on the Liz Jones action:

For Umar Farouk and many other Muslim men like him, living in such a landscape is literally intolerable. He confesses that he does try to lower his gaze in front of females, wonders if he should get married because he is getting too aroused. You could make a movie, a Taxi Driver for our times, about just such an anti-hero, the hormonal male who is expected to live a life of total abstinence in the middle of licentiousness.

The Pakistani journalist Maruf Khwaja describes this inner chaos in an Open Democracy blog. In some homes they cannot watch television, listen to music, dance or indulge in anything pleasurable: "(Muslims) want to do what their secular friends do, have nights out, go clubbing, have boyfriends and girlfriends. Many are depressed by social isolation and attempt to escape by leaving parents and Islamic legacies behind."

Others, like Asif, revert. He says he had a contact list full of willing white women whom he chatted up to "get into their knickers" and now that he is a good Muslim, he talks to covered-up ladies and can "really communicate with them". The saintly Muslim female has desexualised herself, protects herself in the polluted land she lives in full of mad, bad and dangerous sinners.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-licentiousness-breeds-extremism-1863919.html

James Mitchell, Monday, 11 January 2010 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Even if you overlook his increasingly batshit and offensive lol trolling, this seems an insane choice given that Rod Liddle has no experience of editing anything at all on a daily newspaper.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Monday, 11 January 2010 12:11 (fourteen years ago) link

i think im right in saying that geordie greig (sp -- the guy who edits the standard) lacked that too. he had edited the tatler though. editing the today programme is pretty big.

jive bunny and the masterilxers (history mayne), Monday, 11 January 2010 12:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Editing a radio programme is nothing like editing a newspaper, and Geordie Grieg has hardly covered himself in glory at the Standard (although he had at least worked in a newspaper newsroom).

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Monday, 11 January 2010 12:15 (fourteen years ago) link

troo.

mind you, how hard is it to "stick a headline saying CRUELTY then put a picture of a dolphin or a whale underneath it."

jive bunny and the masterilxers (history mayne), Monday, 11 January 2010 12:17 (fourteen years ago) link

lets not forget that rod liddle, he was the guy, who left his wife, FOR A YOUNG ONE

vicious takedown

Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Monday, 11 January 2010 12:21 (fourteen years ago) link

YAB is an eternal puzzle to me. Half her stuff is perceptive and I like, half is lazy and vile. I thought today was one of the good ones.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 11 January 2010 12:36 (fourteen years ago) link

sindie music hack and romo pioneer simon price weighs in (and so does nick cohen):

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=252240596901&v=info

free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Thursday, 14 January 2010 09:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Was Suzanne Moore the one who went to the Mail in protest at the New Statesman becoming too right-wing?

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 January 2010 09:46 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah (she was otm!).

free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Thursday, 14 January 2010 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link

she of the fuck-me boots iirc.

free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Thursday, 14 January 2010 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link

saw her read about her teen experience of a sabbath show in the 70s recently and she was great

shartyman (stevie), Thursday, 14 January 2010 09:49 (fourteen years ago) link

is this the thread where rod liddle's cuntage gets discussed on ilx?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243845/Former-Today-editor-Rod-Liddle-racist-posts-football-supporters-website.html

come one dude (stevie), Sunday, 17 January 2010 12:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Judging by the comments, he'll have a fine future as a BNP candidate.

James Mitchell, Sunday, 17 January 2010 12:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Where's the constant outcry about the vile and hateful lyrics about women and gays in rap music? Deadly silence.

One way street.
- Honest Guv!, London, UK, 17/1/2010 11:33

Disco Stfu (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 17 January 2010 14:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I keep posting "he should be hung from a yardarm" on daily mail stories but they seldom publish my comment as roger, tunbridge wells

I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 17 January 2010 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Even more genius than the 'rap music' comment:

Anyway he's got a point about black only organisations. Also black only nightclubs, & newspapers, fine by me I don't want to join go or read them. except its again one rule for one lot and another for the majority of us. Talk about a divided society.

- rikrok, London, 17/1/2010 9:06

Talk about a divided society

James Mitchell, Sunday, 17 January 2010 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Talking of YAB, one of Liddle's threads (or not as the case may be)...
http://www.millwall.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=26191&start=1

Ned Trifle II, Sunday, 17 January 2010 16:31 (fourteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/bruce-anderson/bruce-anderson-we-not-only-have-a-right-to-use-torture-we-have-a-duty-1899555.html

"After much agonising, I have come to the conclusion that there is only one answer to Sydney's question. Torture the wife and children. "

take me to your lemur (ledge), Monday, 15 February 2010 14:27 (fourteen years ago) link

man, they'd better not let liddle edit the indie. would be so sad to see this important voice of the left lost to the dark forces of conservatism.

V-E-R-Y (history mayne), Monday, 15 February 2010 14:28 (fourteen years ago) link

LJ would like you to know that he's mad as hell and he's not going to take it anymore.

take me to your lemur (ledge), Monday, 15 February 2010 14:35 (fourteen years ago) link

To be fair, Bruce Anderson is to The Indy as Bill Kristol was to the NYT. Surely they only publish his lunatic ramblings so the five remaining readers have something to "WTF?" at on their way to work?

what kind of present your naked body (Upt0eleven), Monday, 15 February 2010 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Up sprang Sydney Kentridge, one of the great liberals of our age and a fearless defender of unpopular causes, from Nelson Mandela in the old South Africa to fox-hunting in modern Britain.

ah yes, mandela. still a divisive figure after all these years.

joe, Monday, 15 February 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I think "in the old South Africa" was the specific caveat there.

Mark G, Monday, 15 February 2010 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Interesting how he doesn't even try to disguise the weakness of his argument:

"Admittedly there is no evidence…"

"That might sound frivolous…"

Also disgusting the way he reduces a moral argument as "courtroom niceties", ie "only I, Bruce Anderson, have the courage and clarity to make hard decisions."

This, otoh, is just bizarre:

"Anyway, which is the greater aesthetic affront: torture, or the destruction of the National Gallery?"

gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 15 February 2010 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I think "in the old South Africa" was the specific caveat there.

that would probably be a sub's work

nakhchivan, Monday, 15 February 2010 17:54 (fourteen years ago) link

xp After careful consideration, I think I would prefer neither.

Neil S, Monday, 15 February 2010 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link

"Don't you understand, you equivocating milquetoast liberal? You must choose! Torture or the destruction of the National Gallery! There is no option C! This is THE REAL WORLD!"

gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 15 February 2010 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link

This is so OTM:
http://unspeak.net/the-greater-aesthetic-affront/

Neil S, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Gavin O'Reilly, the chief executive of Independent News & Media, has said that a deal to sell the Independent titles to Alexander Lebedev will be announced "within 24 hours".

]http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/24/independent-deal-lebedev-24-hours

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Lebedev is probably a pretty unpleasant character, so he'll fit right in to the fine tradition of UK newspaper proprietors.

Neil S, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Billionaire buys Independent for £1. Insert your own joke here.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 25 March 2010 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I bought it for the first time in ages last week. It was unbelievably poor - almost completely lacking in content.

The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 25 March 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

can't believe something run by gavin o'reilly could be a piece of shit

DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 March 2010 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/movie-dross-that-leaves-all-joking-aside-2012958.html

this is one of the worst articles ever of the last week that i've read in the last week

j/k lol simmons (history mayne), Monday, 5 July 2010 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link

I got as far as "comedy".

Ned Trifle II, Monday, 5 July 2010 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

David Miliband's snapping at Harriet Harman underscored why the party made the right choice. He was furious at her for clapping a repudiation of the Iraq war, because she voted for it at the time. Think about what that reveals.

He thinks once you have taken a public position, it is disgusting to change it – no matter how catastrophic it turned out to be. (A million deaths in the name of Weapons of Mass Destruction that didn't exist is a catastrophe by any standard.)

-- johann hari

the stones on this guy

l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Friday, 1 October 2010 11:16 (thirteen years ago) link

I've just finished reading that article and, the thing is, Hari is broadly right. He just insists on piling on the emotional slap with a trowel that it's so easy to dismiss him as a doe-eyed whiner.

Matt DC, Friday, 1 October 2010 11:30 (thirteen years ago) link

he's presumably got in mind some paragon of integrity who did publicly change his mind over iraq, can't think who.

http://www.johannhari.com/2006/03/18/after-three-years-after-dead-why-i-was-wrong-about-iraq

(he's also since changed his mind about the body count, unless he really thinks 150,000 died in the first three years and 850,000 in the last four, which seems unlikely.)

joe, Friday, 1 October 2010 11:34 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i agree with most of what he says. but also with deborah orr, a little, yesterday -- isn't ed promising what new labour promised, in more propitious circumstances, in the 1990s? what is stopping labour from introducing a land tax -- i can remember the first time i saw one proposed, in the new statesman, many, many years ago -- is the sort of thing ralph miliband analysed. by personalizing it, making it all about blair, i think people are getting things twisted.

also...

But everything we have learned from the last Great Depression tells us that, if things get worse, the only way out of mass unemployment will be a big fiscal jump-start to the economy, funded by taking out more government debt in the short term. He mustn't rule out being Franklin Roosevelt and instead commit to being Herbert Hoover, just to appease the very people whose macho platitudes caused this funk in the first place.

it isn't quite like that. hoover let banks collapse. fdr withdrew the stimulus early (hiyo) didn't he? i don't know.

l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Friday, 1 October 2010 11:39 (thirteen years ago) link

ed promising what new labour promised, in more propitious circumstances, in the 1990s?

Let us cling to the one tiny shread of optimism we have left.

Matt DC, Friday, 1 October 2010 11:47 (thirteen years ago) link

We Are Not the Optimists

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 1 October 2010 11:49 (thirteen years ago) link


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