Trout Mask Replica?

Yeah, I'm back and whaddayaknow within a week we're discussing Beefheart's magnus shitus in two seperate threads. Before you know we will only discuss higher Zappalogy. ;) Her name is Hannah btw. :)

Nice one - congrats and all that stuff !!

I haven't listened to all of this one, but being one of the 50 best- selling albums of all time it gives you a great opportunity to say, "I listen to mainstream stuff - you know - like Captain Beefheart."

What a wonderful world it wld be if TMR really was one of the "50 bestselling albums of all time". I think you have mistaken critical praise/listmaking for actual sales Anna, sadly.

What a wonderful world it wld be if TMR really was one of the "50 bestselling albums of all time".
What would all the alternative poseurs be listening to then? *NSync? I rate records based on body hair. Don has a fair amount so he's tops.

see documented incidents of sitting in circles passing around a bowl, listening to Steve Reich's "Come Out", which is nothing but the phrase "Come out to show dem" repeated ad nauseum, which is to say, I'm sure if I got stoned and listened to that minimalist bollocks I'd be nautious

Ahem. "Come Out to Shown Them" is a great track. To merely say that it is the phrase "Come out to show them" repeated ad nauseum misses the fact that through Reich's "phase shifting" technique, the same sample is dubbed over itself, creating continuously shifting changes in rhythm. It really does anticipate a lot of this electronic dance wankery, but is much better than most of that. (Okay, now someone object to my comment about electronic dance music.) I've never heard TMR all the way through, but the tracks I have heard never did much for me. I like some other Beefheart though, so I am kind of curious.

Reich= heard '18 musicians' and am not impressed. Little blocks of repetition and...that's it!

TMR= music was never the same again for me.

Julio on food: "Milk? I've tasted Cheez-Whiz. It was boring and bland. I have no use for milk."

TMR was actually the bestselling record of all time, but this information was suppressed by record companies because they feared such music becoming popular as it is difficult to replicate. Camden Joy will confirm this.

TMR was actually the bestselling record of all time, but this information was suppressed by record companies because they feared such music becoming popular
B-b-b-but if it was the bestselling record of all time EVAH, it would already be popular...?

I know you already told me you don't really like Reich much, Julio, but perhaps you should listen to a bit more, esp. the early phase- shifting pieces. I think you also have to approach it from the right direction--it's not supposed to be about wild musical shifts; the movement is often textural. Yeah, a bit of a yawn if you're expecting melodic development, but it can be a bit entrancing if you're listening for the texture/timbre. I find that a lot of that early material is far more interesting through headphones, like "Come Out" and "It's Gonna Rain". Again, I have this on CD somewhere, and we can potentially arrange a listening session, though I should probably just burn it for you and let you listen when the mood hits, because that's when it's more interesting (I think).

Sean- Yeah, if you could burn 'em I'll give it a go.

At first I thought 18 musicians was OK but then after a few more listens I thought: 'What's the point?' There weren't any interesting ideas being expressed here.

Listening session= We might be looking at 10-15 minute tracks max (though I forgot to say I'm interested in those Bill Hicks discs you were discussing on another thread).

every time 18 musicians comes up it makes me really want to sit down and make a list of my all time absolutely top favorite records of the nineties just so that I can have it be prominently placed

How is that a '90s record, Josh? Is it the re-recording?

I just listened to it this week for the first time in a while and I absolutely love it. Still.

there's a re-recording on the 'Works' box set. in fact i think most of the box set is re-recordings. they still all sound good though! the ECM Music for 18 Musicians is good too

mark, it's 'classical' music, it's called a 'new performance'. ;)

Oh yeah...I wonder how the '90s version of 18 Musicians compares to the orig. 70s one (which is that I have.) Anyone know?