you are kidding, right? starting out with Youth Against Fascism?
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link
anyway, this album has seemed a little long for me, it's like a double album that shouldn't be a double album? Theresa's Sound World is my fav, i think but the first 6-7 songs are great.
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link
voted shoot
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link
well, it has the most songs of any SY album, and was their longest album besides Daydream Nation when they made it (although Washing Machine and A Thousand Leaves had more CD-era bloat later). more importantly, though, it FEELS long.
― some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
It's the song I hate.
― Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah it feels sooooo long, but i still kind of dig it in chunks
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
alfred, recycling small talk is a sign of mental illness....
― I'M part of that magic? really???? (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link
You're a fascist twerp.
― Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link
are you positioning yourself as "youth," then?
― some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
LOL
― I'M part of that magic? really???? (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:47 (fourteen years ago) link
their worst record aside from experimental trash,... :)
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Friday, 29 January 2010 18:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Last SY LP I liked. Have to give it a another spin before voting, but "Youth Against Fascism" is the one I remember.
― Soukesian, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link
am0n what are your faves?
― some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link
All anyone really needs from this is the 100% single with four songs including Genetic. I get embarrassed listening to this (especially, but not exclusively, during the Kim songs), in the same way I used to have to hide my eyes when Bobby Brady was about to do something stupid.
― dlp9001, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link
So, uh, yeah. Write in vote for Genetic.
― dlp9001, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link
This is the least meandering, most direct SY. Personally I like it. Youth against Facisim for me is a killer. OK its repetitive but it is short. "Yeah the president sucks hes a warped fuck" an infantile expression but effective and fun to sing and the last part of the song where it goes into overdrive is great too. Good at a party.
― Hinklepicker, Friday, 29 January 2010 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Chapel Hill
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 29 January 2010 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link
sucks hes a warped fuck
Isn't it "he's a war pig fuck" ? Not that it's any more mature, but at least it's a Sabbath reference.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 29 January 2010 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link
voted Theresa's Soundworld.i also like the Dinosaur jr-y like Purr, esp. the awesome guitar solo near the end.
― Zeno, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Dinosaur has songs as fast as "Purr"?
― some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link
mmm...The Wagon?!
― Zeno, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Chapel Hill is pretty cool, too. Thurston seems to be looking back on USHC here.
― Soukesian, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh yes. I thought he was mispronouncing warped as in war-ped..but what you say makes more sense. I do like it though when the pronounciation of words at the end of lines are changed to fit a rhyme.
― Hinklepicker, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link
"Swimsuit Issue" has my favorite Kim one-liners.
― Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Lot of love coming out here, for a record I thought was generally despised.
― Soukesian, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link
I always heard it as "he's a one big fuck," knowing that couldn't possibly be the actual line without caring enough to look it up
― some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link
We're up to three interpretations, and all of them apply.
― Soukesian, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I know a lot of 'real' SY fans don't like this one. What is it about it that people don't like? I guess I have heard 'the production' bandied about. Pure snobbery if you ask me. I guess the songs are too direct as I said above. Not enough artful instrumental passages? That's nice and all but a lot of the times on SY records for me those parts just rob the song of any momentum and I start to lose interest. I guess I'm just a simple guy.
― Hinklepicker, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
― some dude, Friday, January 29, 2010 1:28 PM
bad moon rising, evol, daydream, sonic nurse. i like pretty much all their stuff, but dirty and jet set just always bored me
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I've got a friend who dubbed the little puppet guy on this cover 'Nic Fit'
― dynamicinterface, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
yah Sonic Nurse is aces
― some dude, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Today I noticed: "Self-Obsessed and Sexee" is a dirtier, better "100%."
― Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't like SO & S v. much; same goes for Screaming Skull...they're not bad, but definitely is the point where that album starts going astray for me
― I'M part of that magic? really???? (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link
(but) ^those two are (definitely)
― I'M part of that magic? really???? (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
is that math?
― Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Sugar Kane is kinda corny but I've always loved it.Old school sy fans hate this record cuz it's the crossover record, I always thought. It was the first one my MTV watching ass bought. My first exposure to them was via the pump up the volume soundtrack, tho, of course.
― Trip Maker, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Can't believe people are actually voting for "Youth Against Facism". Such a lame song.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link
OK, it's got my vote. FASCIST!
― Soukesian, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Old school sy fans hate this record cuz it's the crossover record, I always thought. It was the first one my MTV watching ass bought. My first exposure to them was via the pump up the volume soundtrack, tho, of course.― Trip Maker, Friday, January 29, 2010 2:13 PM (14 minutes ago)
― Trip Maker, Friday, January 29, 2010 2:13 PM (14 minutes ago)
I think you're thinking of Goo, not Dirty?
― ┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Friday, 29 January 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Hah, Pump Up the Volume for me too! I can totally remember that moment (i.e. listening to that CD for the first time and going "What is that?")
Like many songs on Dirty, Sugar Kane, as corny as parts of it are (just lyircs for me), the fucking instrumental passage in the middle of the song is just so so good, especially when it breaks down after the initial rock-out solo and then builds up again. I am so glad there is a lot of love for Purr here too, I used to put that song on mixtapes mainly cause of how righteous the guitar playing is throughout (and cause I always considered it completely overlooked ...)
― grandavis, Friday, 29 January 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
first exposure to SY was either:
1) coming across their name in random Nirvana/Pumpkins/Breeders articlesor2) checking out their albums on some Columbia House booklet
I'm pretty sure that whatever it was, it was def. #2, and esp. falling in love with song titles like Kool thing, Cinderella's Big Score, and Titanium Expose that made me decide to check them out. A grunge outcast in my class lent me his cassette copy of goo; v. different than what I expected--I thought all alternative rock sounded like Soundgarden, STP, and Silverchair (or at least like the Pumpkins and Breeders) but this seemed not exactly quieter, but much more atmospheric, much less upfront with its rewards...I liked Mote, Mildred Pierce, Tunic, and Disappearer (still my Sonic Youth POO) and those still tend to be my favorite songs from that album...
Dirty was creeper rock; it wasn't until a couple of years ago listening to some of the songs that I realized how much I had missed that album, how many of those songs had stuck with me...not every album from that time has that effect...my top 2 albums from when I was fifteen, The Bends and Gish, I can't even hear those anymore...Dirty brings it though.
― don't mind me: just exhuming dead horses... (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 29 January 2010 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link
dirty their first post-nevermind lp, so the entry point for a lot of kids of my generation, rather than goo.
voted wish fulfillment, but could as easily have been theresa or drunken butterfly
― ALIAS: Pete Townshend (stevie), Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah I think for Brits at least Dirty was the album that really got notice here. I was 15 then so I dunno how much attention they got with Goo but the first SY song I ever heard was 100% on something like 120 Minutes or Alternative Nation
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I shd probly listen again (for the first time in like 15 years), Sugar Kane I think.
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 January 2010 01:49 (fourteen years ago) link
"Drunken Butterfly" all the way, a 1990s Sonic Youth song that even xhuxk eddy could love.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:04 (fourteen years ago) link
always liked chapel hill a lot
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 30 January 2010 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link
The beautifully recorded Drunken Butterfly. Actually, evertyhing on the album except for Sugar Kane is good to great.
― Now, Saturday, 30 January 2010 03:51 (fourteen years ago) link
so divisive!
― Trip Maker, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:15 (fourteen years ago) link
"shoot"
my favorite 'kim song' of the 90's
― nicky lo-fi, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:36 (fourteen years ago) link
"Swimsuit Issue" as much for the brazenly naive/stoopid lyrics as the rolling pummel of the first half and the gallumphing robot crunch of the second half.
― Hideous Lump, Saturday, 30 January 2010 04:37 (fourteen years ago) link
When I think of Shelley I think of almost Keith Moon sorts of fills, like, wtf is this super-steady take on him? Esp. on Goo and Dirty, he's all rolls and fills. The first thing that pops in my head, in fact, is Kool Thing, and that is total Moon.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:46 (eight years ago) link
think they're saying that post-dirty, shelley became less explosive on record, which is probably true, but whether that's a bad thing might be up to personal taste.
― tylerw, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link
I just put on Dirty Boots, and I guess it's Keith Moon if Keith Moon played buh-buh-cha, buh-buh-cha all the time. Don't want to be pedantic, but the difference between Shelley and the guys who came before is pretty huge. The only song I can really think of where Shelley was essential is Free City Rhymes, as I doubt any of the other drummers could have handled the rhythm there. It's too bad they didn't do more along those lines, if they were stuck with a metronome...
― dlp9001, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago
Agree! I'm talking about after Dirty.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:55 (eight years ago) link
One interesting thing about early SY vs. Branca and Chatham is the looseness of the drums. Chatham especially is like listening to the Feelies, and the Branca stuff is stiff as hell as well. SY really hit on something by de-emphasizing the rhythm-keeping aspect of drums early on (after the first ep, which they clearly reacted against) but then they lost it once Shelley was firmly on board.
― dlp9001, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:58 (eight years ago) link
I kinda stopped paying close attention to the band after Dirty, maybe because the guitars and songs didn't catch my ear, so I suppose I'm not surprised Shelley toned it down along with the gang. Shelley went more Neu, but maybe he needed to get all jam-band on them.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 August 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link
when this came out i bought it immediately and it was my first sonic youth album.
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 31 July 2015 16:49 (3 days ago) Permalink
THIS
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 3 August 2015 18:58 (eight years ago) link
fuck, i'm bout to put on SILVER SESSION.
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, August 2, 2015 10:40 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
everyone should do this all the time
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link
I love "Silver Session"
― grandavis, Monday, 3 August 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
― tylerw, Monday, August 3, 2015 10:49 AM (3 hours ago)
he's got good feeling on EJSTNS, some nimble, powerful fills. there's a weight to his presence, possibly the recording/mix. i really like the dry, muted quality of the whole recording.. sort of a muted humidity (again, talked to death on other sy threads)
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 3 August 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
yeah his change in playing in the Jet Set/Washing Machine era seems very much reactive to the whole shifting mood and approach of the band. Kim switched from bass to guitar, they briefly considered changing the name of the band, there was a hiatus for baby Coco and a lot of side projects, and a general comfort with the 'elder statesmen' role. i wouldn't mind if they'd done some more fast and loud stuff in 94/95 but it might've made them seem kinda desperate at that point.
― FLOPSZN (some dude), Monday, 3 August 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link
the jetsun dolma record (moore/surgal/winant) fucking rules. getting a bit off topic
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 3 August 2015 23:15 (eight years ago) link
went down what the fuck hill
― j., Monday, August 3, 2015 4:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
preach
― Credit: howtokeepapositiveattitudedotcom (stevie), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link
while sonic youth plays a house party filled with extrasAnd Mike Watt!
― Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 10:38 (eight years ago) link
talking with students about their music likes on the first day of class, i mentioned i was listening to sonic youth and one student sez
I have never listened to sonic youth by choice but my dad always forced us to listen to it in car rides.
― j., Tuesday, 25 August 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link
dad dream nation
― tylerw, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
If I was a dad I would do this.
― grandavis, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 20:46 (eight years ago) link
Dad puts on piece for Jetsun Dolma... "alright kids, this is how it's done."
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 23:17 (eight years ago) link
There's the Lee Ranaldo dads, the 'nothing past 1988' dads, the SYR dads..
― Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 00:02 (eight years ago) link
then there's the us maple dads.. in their minds, sy lost it somewhere after a thousand leaves. at first they settled for the maple, guitar sounds/figures filling the void, and then they realized that the prime 'mape is superior in most ways. You've got the talker dads, who are excitable, and then you have the more seasoned, rock-reared, purple on time. dads, who still need a beat. they probably like Pissed Jeans or something, and zone out on The Field or some bullshit.
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 01:14 (eight years ago) link
(aka the SYR dads)
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 01:20 (eight years ago) link
http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2015/09/08/sonic-youth-brixton-academy-london-december-14-1992/
shelley a monster here
― j., Tuesday, 8 September 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, that was good!
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 02:18 (eight years ago) link
when i was a kid i stole the 1988 (elle macpherson) and 1989 (kathy ireland 25th anniversary giant edition) sports illustrated swimsuit issues from my local library, which i think made me extra receptive to 'swimsuit issue'
― j., Tuesday, 6 September 2016 04:43 (seven years ago) link
i also stole stephen king's 'IT' and 'firestarter', but only to read and return undetected (except my mom found 'IT' and i got in trouble, or didn't, i don't remember)
― j., Tuesday, 6 September 2016 04:46 (seven years ago) link
I BELIEVE ANITA HILL
― j., Thursday, 5 January 2017 19:31 (seven years ago) link
Haha this thread is my favorite child
― U2 (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 5 January 2017 20:42 (seven years ago) link
I really hope kids these days are listening to this album and wondering "What the fuck is a swimsuit issue?!"
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 5 January 2017 21:54 (seven years ago) link
Idg that one. Isn't the SI Swimsuit Issue as big as it has ever been?
― My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 5 January 2017 22:01 (seven years ago) link
this thread def contains the worst steve shelley discussion on this board
especially with 'rain on tin', one of the more interesting tracks, his drumming is accommodating (serves the music, whatever), but i find it pretty dull
lmao imagine
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 1 June 2020 19:10 (three years ago) link
Probably not coincidental that Bert is the only one of the group who was in a great band *after* SY.― dlp9001, Monday, August 3, 2015 8:42 AM (four years ago)
― dlp9001, Monday, August 3, 2015 8:42 AM (four years ago)
Yikes. Here's a selection of bands and artists who Jim (S) recorded/toured with post-SY:
Alex Chilton (1983)Tav Falco's Panther Burns (1983, 1992-1994)Lydia Lunch (1984-1986, 1991-1992)The Cramps (1991-1992)Congo Norvell (1992-1996)Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds (1994 - present)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 1 June 2020 21:03 (three years ago) link
Surprised to see Youth Against Fascism place so high. Always saw it as a a cheap concession to Alternative Nation.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 09:27 (three years ago) link
A sieg heil-in' squirtyou're an impotent jerkYeah, a fascist twerpit's the song I hateit's the song I hate
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 March 2022 20:01 (two years ago) link
I think I've listened to enough Sonic Youth now to know they're not really my thing, but I adore this album
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 05:09 (two years ago) link
It was my first Sonic Youth album, so maybe that's the reason it's the one I latched onto. But I probably need to check out more of their albums. Goo felt similar to Dirty to me, if not as cohesive. I did enjoy a lot of Bad Moon Rising.
I was definitely scarred when I picked up Daydream Nation - said by many to be their best - and found it interminable and ponderous instead. This was years ago though, in the days of committing $17 to a CD when you just wanted to try something. It was enough to keep me from exploring their other albums. I should probably make it a point to dip my toes back in now that they're on Spotify.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 10:58 (two years ago) link
I really dig that little guitar break in “Purr” (from like 2:40 until the main riff comes in again)… are there other SY things with that particular sound?
― slide into my KMFDMs (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 22:28 (one year ago) link
Ranaldo's leads in "Stones"? 2:50 in "Dirty Boots"?
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 22:39 (one year ago) link
Thx... "Stones" is nice. I think there's something almost Pavement-y about that "Purr" gtr, maybe that's why I like it so much
I know this is a basic-ass SY opinion, but "Sugar Kane" is such a great song... prob my favorite of theirs overall (it's a little funny when Thurston sings, "Kiss me like a frog"... I think it puts a different image in my head than was intended).
― slide into my KMFDMs (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 23:19 (one year ago) link