Is there anyone here who genuinely dislikes or hates The Beatles as a musical entity?

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"Hey Jude" exhibits a certain osmotic tongue pressure.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 12 August 2006 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

McCartney is pretty close to the bottom of the barrel.

polls split 50/50. each side claims victory

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Saturday, 12 August 2006 05:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I think all of those things are on 'Happiness Is A Warm Gun' alone.

"Happiness Is A Warm Gun" is a terrible song. Like, really terrible.

I like the Beatles, though.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 12 August 2006 06:08 (seventeen years ago) link

that "no vietnam, no politics..." quote is the stupidest fucking thing ever! and you can cut the condescension in "secret dreams of young girls" with a knife.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 12 August 2006 07:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The issue of "catchy" tunes aside, I don't see how anyone can defend McCartney's profoundly idiotic lyrics with a straight face

To criticise McCartney for his lyrics totally misses the point...like focusing on the melody of a Dylan song. McCartney's a guy with a good sense of humor who's never taken lyrics very seriously. And because of this, he's a great lyricist. Some people just wanna fill the world with silly love songs.

― starke (starke), Saturday, 12 August 2006 09:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't care much about lyrics in general, but "Eleanor Rigby" was a great lyrics nevertheless.

Of course, the main point about McCartney is melody and harmony.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 12 August 2006 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

"Diluting" argument would need specific examples to be of any potential resonance to me. "Drawing on" argument describes almost all pop/rock musicians.

You're right. It's just that most pop/rock musicians don't get the omgwtfcreativegeniuses status given to the Beatles.

― xavier (xave), Saturday, 12 August 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

mccartney was a fine lyricist in his prime. just off the top of my head: "i've just seen a face," "for no one," "when i'm sixty-four" (uh huh), "she's leaving home" and "penny lane" are all great. there's a clipped quality about the best of his stuff that i like, a restraint and understatedness that's unusual for the era. and "penny lane" probably holds up better as poetry than "strawberry fields" (i'd rate them about equal as records), though the 14-year-old lennon partisan inside me is shrieking with rage that i just typed that.

mccartney's 'sappiness' is also considerably overstated, at least during his good years - i suspect it has more to do with his public persona than anything he actually wrote. his 'love' songs (when not obvious showbiz pastiches) are almost always meaner and callower than people remember: "another girl," "i'm looking through you," "you won't see me."

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 12 August 2006 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

IE up-thread about Oasis ripping off Beatles wanna-bes, Oasis would be so much better if they had stolen from the Raspberries.

― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the fact the italian critic hates the Beatles from a Rockist perspective, that's a new one.

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

No it isn't.

― Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Oasis would be so much better if they had stolen from the Raspberries.

Well, they couldn't've been worse.

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

OTM. You can't shine turds as my grannie used to say.

― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Saturday, 12 August 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

The best songs Paul McCartney never wrote

― Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Saturday, 12 August 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I knew The Lex would be the very first person to respond to this thread.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 12 August 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

The Beatles were the most consistently good pop/rock songwriters ever, and they had some of the highest peaks as well. Arguing about other stuff is beating around the bush.

P.S. I Love Them

― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Just wanted to chim in and say I endorse this thread.

― astronautagogo (astronautagogo), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Just wanted to chim in and say I endorse this thread.

Chim chimaree chim chim
I am a chimbley, a chimbley sweep

― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, Louis Jagger's taken your position. Let it go.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Chim-chiminy chim-chiminy chim-chim cheroo,
Watch out Passantino, I'm coming for you!

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Dom the money

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

What position? Left fullback? I thought this was a Beatles thread!

― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.quibbles-n-bits.com/archives/images/ChimChim.jpg

― Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Saturday, 12 August 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I listened to them all the time as a kid. but i cant stand to anymore. This guy i work with has a beatles shrine in his livingroom and wears an abbey road jacket every fucking day. what a load.

― slick dickens (slickdickens), Sunday, 13 August 2006 04:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyone hassles the Beatles to me in person'll lose their teeth

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 August 2006 05:05 (seventeen years ago) link

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