New York City- classic or dud?

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i'm a white blood cell.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think we're extending the city-as-organism metaphor a little too far

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 18:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Amateurist, I spent two years of the weirdest years of my life in rural Michigan, and as such I must say that no, I have no idea what you're thinking here. For one thing, that picture includes sunlight, which as it turns out does not exist in northern Michigan. Also it does not include people, which are rare in rural Michigan but let me tell you, most of the time they're not rare enough. Your chosen social life will consist of spending hours watching people smoke in the sorts of places that high school kids colonize -- cafes, parking lots, maybe even benches next to a bank -- with a bunch of guys who've had too much acid and 10,000 girls who look exactly like Meg White, not to mention all the other odd people from their mid-twenties to their forties or even fifties who've been forced to turn to high school kids for social interaction. Some of them will have the excuse that they're professors, and as such can be expected to have comfortable social relations with young people, but some of the others will just be oddball rednecks who sell everyone weed, and if you ever wind up drinking beer at their freaky little houses with fourteen year old girls wandering around you will get more than a passing vibe of the guys Laura Palmer was hanging out with before she died. Oh, rural Michigan is great, don't get me wrong, it's wonderful and all of the kids believe really passionately in just the dumbest stuff, and they think moving to Chicago is the good-luck equivalent of becoming a movie star or something, and they are loads and loads of fun if you think it's funny to, like, run down the street in the middle of the night singing "Who Killed Bambi" or break into the guitar store and sit around playing Stones songs on their best amps until the police show up and take you to jail for the night. But watch the hell out.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

NB: my earlier responses to this thread may have been colored by the fact that at the time, New York was stealing my girlfriend. I've forgiven it now, and knowing such lovely people there has helped. I still stand by all the expense-and-annoyance stuff: I wouldn't be headed there if I didn't have a great big academic free pass on a lot of that stuff!

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 18:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I stand by my assessment. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 18:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

B-b-but I spent every summer for 10 years in rural Michigan (not in the north, rather somewhere between Hastings and Kalamazoo) and liked it a lot. I remember lots of sunshine (also mosquitos)!

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 18:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bah, total lower-Michigan pansy action! I have to admit that despite my ranting I have a really fond place in my heart for northern Michigan, up where it's like a dirtier more incestuous Dunedin where everyone is like the White Stripes if they were working at Big Boy or in telemarketing instead of being rock stars. I admit it, I'm nostalgic.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 18:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

My love for NYC is based on going there a couple of times, but it seems even more classic in ILX terms. No offence to the wonderful male ILXers, but my mental image of NYCILX revolves around the women. It seemed like the most glamorous and enticing city in the world to me anyway, and having met Mary and Felicity, and seen pics of a couple more (several pics of Ally), and hearing you talk about fashion shopping and the like, and the fact that you're all clever and interesting and all that, this bunch of female NYCILXers is about as glamorous a circle as I've ever had any remore connection to. It makes NYC even more appealing.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Martin imagines the group of us poncing around like Sex in the City, I just know it. As long as I don't have to wear those ridiculous outfits Sarah Jessica sports I'm ok with it.

ANyway, being yelled at by a carny is like the greatest thing that could possibly happen, my god I wish I could get yelled at by a carny.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

How about having five Coney Island carnys live in your basement for a week? That happened to me two years ago. They were actually really nice. One could play the Super Mario Bros. song on guitar really well. He was a good cook too.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

it would be easier for us to believe you lot didn't ponce (wtf?) about like sex in the city if you didn't cultivate the illusion!

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

what about the bearded lady?

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does a hairy hippie girl count?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

only up to 16 oz.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

If hairy hippies counted, then all of Amherst is a fucking carnival, dude.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally, it's really not like Sex and the City, a programme I don't like at all. It's much more like real and intelligent people, but with those glamorous qualities as well. I am aware that much of it is an illusion, but it's one I enjoy.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Last night I went to a rock show at Luxx and a bearded lady did fire-eating right in front of the stage during one of the songs. Somebody came on the loudspeaker and said "another club got shut down for pyrotechnics! you MUST stop! i don't want to see ANY open flames in here!" at which point everyone threw down their cigarettes like 15-year-olds caught smoking in the bathroom, and then we all realized that the person on the loudspeaker wasn't talking to EVERYONE, just the bearded lady. Okay it was just me who did that. I picked my flattened cigarette back up and re-lit it (I'm cheap), but I kept my 'open flame' well-hidden. The bearded lady was the real deal: suit, long hair, FULL beard. Beat that, Sex and the City!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

sarah jessica'd have to set something else on fire

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

no dude. she goes brazilian.

Has anyone ever gone in the WORLD'S SMALLEST PERSON!!!!!!!!!! booth at Coney Island? Don't. You walk in to this room and around this divider and there's this tiny woman in a wheelchair that's on top of a table. She looks at you. You suddenly feel horrified by the fact that you paid $1 to see this and that she's two feet away and looking right in your eyes. She says, "Can you spare some change? I'm saving up for an electric wheelchair," and motions her nubby arm to a jar on the table. You are looking around, trying to pretend as if you came into this booth looking for a bathroom or a friend. You quickly fumble in your pockets and dump some change in the jar and make a quick exit. The friend that came in with you says, "Fuck that! I paid a dollar!" and continues to stare. You go outside and tell your friends that were too scared to enter that they HAVE to go in. "It's amazing," you say, and you feel some satisfaction in knowing they will share your horror.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Of all the cities of the Earth I've yet to visit myself, the number one main one that I feel a deep-seeded spiritual desire to fully immerse myself in before this life grinds to an end is *wait for it* < guy from Old El Paso salsa commercial voice>NEW YORK CITY!!!< /guy from Old El Paso salsa commercial voice>

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh my god, will you take me to see the World's Smallest Person? I'd be really smug in there cos I'm pretty tall for a girl.

Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

The entirety of the freak show at Coney Island used to smell of ancient, Gangs of New York-era urine.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nabisco: you'll come for Columbia, you'll stay for NYC. I just realized you and Ally are gonna be classmates.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 20:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh no Nabisco starring in Exodus: Chicago shockah!

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

my mental image of NYCILX revolves around the women

http://homepage.mac.com/ric79/IMG/WACS.jpg

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 23:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic if you're a tourist. Otherwise, overall a dud. Native New Yorkers are as provincial as rural Americans. It's hilarious.

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 3 April 2003 04:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

that isn't true. they're more provincial.

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 3 April 2003 10:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

"U.S.A. Out Of New York City!"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

matos is OTM

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 3 April 2003 11:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Turn Manhattan into the modern Singapore! They can be their own country and then wonder why everyone thinks of them as snobs. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Manhattan blissfully owes precious fuck-all to the rest of the US of A. We are an island nation unto ourselves.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

MY POINT.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Teeny, how come you never come out with us? I know you have the expensive black ass-pants for it.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA how warm and loved you just made me feel, Felicity. Also proud that someone might think I'm a New Yorker. I actually live in the midwest but you can be sure we'll be FAPing it up in ass-pants on my next visit.

NYC is my holy grail but I'll never live there because I love my boyfriend just a little more, and he's anti-NYC. I grew up in the country and have had enough of that shit for a lifetime (I don't even go to Central Park when I visit) but I still like the city-provincialism of NYC.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 3 April 2003 13:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love NYC, LOVE it. I lived there for a bit a while ago, but now I am looking at the chance of an extended/permanent stay in the US, I kind of feel like giving BIIIIIG (but not medium) cities a wide berth for a couple of years at least. London is definitely wearing me out a little, though travelling MILES every day doesn't help. New York still kind of feels like my destiny, just don't tell my girlfriend, who like Teeny's partner is an ickle bit anti-NYC.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 3 April 2003 13:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love it but in my darker hours I worry that it is wasted on New Yorkers.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 03:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

why?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, I think some people start to take the wonderfulness of it for granted after living here a while. Life must be awesome when people concern themselves with some of the incredibly fine differences of every aspect of urban life. Mea culpa.

There is also a certain New York "ironic" manner of speaking that I think wears on me a little. It is superficially amusing and I like it in a way but I worry that irony slips into cowardly earnestness at some point and that's a little disillusioning. Perhaps in such cases I am just reacquainting myselves with people whose characteristics I don't want to adopt. (Present company excepted, of course.)

But don't get me wrong. I am unconditionally thrilled to be back here.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

my mental image of NYCILX revolves around the women

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004RF9J.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

IT'S A WONDERFUL TOWN!

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the paleontologist in that movie. "Give me a Prehistoric Man!"

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

My impressions of native (or long time new yorkers) is that they are just as provinical as the most rural hicks.

It's a great city. I'm glad I lived there and it's fun to visit.

But I wouldn't live there again if you paid me a million dollars.

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

hi

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

again

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

so new york really is just like on sex and the city?

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 17 April 2003 04:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a L-R, but I think I just offend people when I do those things.

I am convinced that Prehistoric Man is the precursor to Ross.

On the "provincial" crap running through this thread. What makes we New Yorkers, who live in a city of 8 million, and a metro area of 18 million (about 6% of the US?), that is one of the 2 or 3 most diverse parts of the country in terms of the origin of the inhabitants, more "provincial" than people who live in far less populated areas with populations that are far more homogenous and far less media-savvy, per capita?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

2 or 3 most diverse parts of the country= 2 or 3 most diverse parts of the world

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

I imagined Ally and Felicity's exchange upthread as taking place on the set of a talk show.

Ally: "We have as our guest here tonight Ms. Felicity Redwell. (shifts to face guest) Felicity, what do you think of New York City?"

Felicity: "I love it but in my darker hours I worry that it is wasted on New Yorkers."

Ally: (with an exceptionally earnest countenance) "Why?"

Felicity: "Well, I think some people start to take the wonderfulness of it for granted after living here a while."

Ally: (nods as if considering this statement very deeply)

Felicity: "Life must be awesome when people concern themselves with some of the incredibly fine differences of every aspect of urban life. Mea culpa."

(audience laughs)

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

James: yes
gygax! = OTM
That Girl and gabbnebb: Well I can see the provincialism in the sense of "insular."
Amateurist: I see New York does not have the monopoly on smartasses! I poured my heart out on that post! I tried to put a little bit of myself into that post, you know. I give, and I give, and I give and what do I get? A talk show? No wonder we New Yorkers retreat into the shadows of our assumed urbanity!

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

(audience laughs) = (audience applauds)

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

(thunderously)

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 05:12 (twenty-one years ago) link


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