Going To Law School

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i reckon i probably spend a good 45-50 hours a week combined classtime/study time. plus i work about 25 hours a week at the moment. i'm pretty much tired all the time and have not much social life. i get quite good marks though and i've made awesome friends here, also i kinda feel like i fit in for the very first time in my entire life (this feels weird but in a good way). my point? ummmm only do it if you really really want to be a lawyer (i do) and are able to make a really good commitment to it. otherwise it will suck balls in the worst kind of way.

gem (trisk), Monday, 13 June 2005 08:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha law is nothing like that in Australia. I don't really study except in the month before exams. But law exams are still teh suck - or, wait, maybe it's me!

"I seem to have missed this, so are you interested in becoming a lawyer, Tim? I get this image of you arguing cases via a combination of grime white labels and references to Baudrillard. "

Yeah I haven't really decided yet. Since the beginning of the year I've been working about two and a half days a week in a a managerial paralagal position at a large plaintiff law firm, and this partial step towards, like, a real job has made me more relaxed about doing further postgrad study (in humanities) and just seeing what happens.

I'm not adverse to law, but it's hard to see myself doing it all the time I guess.

It scared me to realise recently that I was in my sixth year of uni - which I went to straight from school. I've been studying forever!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Administrative Law exam on Thursday morning - wish me good luck!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

i have my administrative law exam tomorrow so i guess i win. 3 hours, closed book, worth 100%. at uwa. ummm interestingly that is in australia. maybe i'm just not as smart as you. also i'm doing the grad degree which is a heavier load at my uni anyways. this is my 9th year of uni.

gem (trisk), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha maybe you get better marks than me!! But yeah grad programs are supposed to be harder aren't they (I'd forgotten you were in Oz Gem).

Closed book, that's way harsh. Otherwise, yeah, 3 hours & 100% is where it's at.

Best of luck Gem!! Admin's a bit of a bitch isn't it? Privative clauses, jurisdictional error, procedural fairness, improper purposes...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you asking if you can work 60-65 hours a week AND go to law school? Then no, definitelty. Are you asking if 60-65 hours is enough time to put in AT law school per week, I would say it's more than enough.

Yeah I meant 60/65 of working on law stuff! That's a big relief, thanks.

Lawyers are helpful on this thread!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

3 hours and a 100% is a bitch. good luck gem & tim!

I can of course gloat because I've finished all my exams but I might get a kick in the rear, near the end of summer if I find out I failed my evidence exam, studying for I forewent, in order to watch "love & death" with alba, ally c, RJG, & beer set about studiously and efficiently.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

what a graceless sentence.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

There are many more in your future.

something about a tarantula coming out of a coconut (deangulberry), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

haha!

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 13 June 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

it wasn't too bad. my hand is about to fall off i think. and privative clauses and error of law on the face of the record ended up being dot points. but i reckon i probably went ok. it was kind of a relief to have closed book in a way as i didn't get caught up frantically searching through notes for stuff. phew! glad it's over. i have environment law on thursday though, back into it. good luck for yours tim!

gem (trisk), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link

"and privative clauses and error of law on the face of the record ended up being dot points."

I think this is the way it's supposed to be - it's almost always gonna be a bit of a trivial technical point anyway yeah?

Glad it all went okay - snatch an hour to yourself tonight!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah totally, the whole question on jurisdictional error/elfr/privative clauses was only worth 20% of the exam. and i got down the stuff about craig and it only being binding on tribunals bla bla so hopefully it'll be ok. i went straight from the exam to the tav for a beer. now i'd like a snooze, might have to put my head down on my desk like a proper little nerd. hehe.

gem (trisk), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 05:18 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
does anyone know anything about these places:
u of minnesota
u of washington
george washington
u of wisconsin
boston u
u of michigan
berkeley

i guess i'm taking the exam in early october so i still don't know how smart i am. i also pretty much hate writing application essays.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you practicing for the LSATs? Taking a class? You should practice a shitload. Seriously. It's like the most important factor, and everyone else will be practicing. Plus you should know in advance how well you think you're going to do to give you an idea of the range of schools you should apply to.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

working on it!

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

they're all good law schools, caitlin! best ones are prob. u. mich. and berkeley (boalt hall).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, but do they admit MORANS????

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

YES I WORK WITH SOME

Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i've told panhandling crackheads in NYC, philadelphia, and newark to "get lost," "go to hell," and to "fuck off." a few of them threatened me and some even charged at me. i'm lucky that i'm alive, i think.
-- Eisbär (llamasfu...), July 29th, 2005

2, Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
ok the test is in one week. i thought i'd have more time to study but school is kind of hard right now. it's ok, i just took a practice test and got 165. just 8 more questions right and i get 170. i think i can do that, i just got out of practice on the logic games in the past few weeks. and the people one floor down are listening to kansas or something, very loud.

i'm getting a very good recommendation from a former philosophy professor and she said i MUST apply to NYU. i tried telling her i am not smart enough but she said that's garbage and girls always say they aren't smart enough. hmm ok i think i will make it a mega-reach. oh i also don't have 37k a year or whatever.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Good luck with it all! You can become a lawyer representing NOIZE interests against the Man.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

mmm trial

kurt broder (dr g), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Good luck with it all! You can become a lawyer representing NOIZE interests against the Man.

i already do that.

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

http://devfiles.sts.winisp.net/Blog%20Files/Image001.jpg

kurt broder (dr g), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i already do that.

Let's see some results.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm now an LSAT teacher, which officially makes me one of the dumbest people who is smart enough to get into a top law school.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 24 September 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

this should be a mounta1n g0ats song

mookieproof (mookieproof), Saturday, 24 September 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Lately I've been working with a blind woman who is taking the LSAT on, what, next Saturday. Kaplan has been giving her a terrible time, and is next to useless (and seemingly proud of it) for blind people. That's sad but not surprising at all; what is surprising is that LSAC or whatever the group is that puts on the test has also been very difficult for her to work with. They are willing to pay so little to hire a qualified reader for the day of the test that she has been bumped around to several different schools now, and finally is taking the test at a school that is willing to take the financial hit and still administer the test properly and fairly. But that school is an hour away. Bah.

Anyway, so I've been reading for her, and it's been interesting, since I do very well at it -- I mean I'm not entirely sure, since she gets double time because she has to hear it instead of read it, and I keep forgetting that I'd have to work everything out twice as fast. Still, the fact that I'd probably do very well on the test makes me think I should take the test -- and yet I have no interest in going to law school.

Doing logic games when you have almost no eyesight and can't read your diagrams reliably is no fun at all.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 24 September 2005 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Basically the same thing has happened to me -- not the reading to a blind woman part, of course. But my gf was preparing, and for fun I looked at the material myself. Turns out I'm a natural at it and I was able to get a 169 on a practice test without too much practice. So now even though lawyer is one of the last things I thought I want to be, I'm suddenly thinking I should go to law school -- you know, be financially set, have a stimulating job, and maybe even work for some kind of political or social change (though going into law school without full conviction you want to do that seems pretty much like facing Darth Vader without completing your Jedi training).

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link

i did fine on the practice lsats but i got a little panicky on test day and didn't do that well. also, i was hung over. i was concentrating on my nausea instead of the questions. i'd like to take it again sometime; i haven't completely given up on wanting to go to law school.

the happy smile patrol (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah everyone on the noize bored will eventually end up going. i'm applying to teach for america also, just in case. or if i get into that and i get into a school i want, i might defer. the future is wide open, you know.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link

ah, you kids. so innocent.

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 September 2005 03:22 (eighteen years ago) link

jon williams, esq.?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 25 September 2005 03:47 (eighteen years ago) link

As per Cozen, I'm constantly atonished at the gulf of difference b/w law school in the U.S and er any Imperial Dominion. Come to Australia! It's cheap and (comparatively) easy!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 25 September 2005 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you saying that Cozen isn't really all that?

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 25 September 2005 06:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i think we get paid more in the US, though?

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 September 2005 10:57 (eighteen years ago) link

£25k per week?

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 September 2005 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

admittedly the top 80hr week lawyers!

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 September 2005 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I dread to think what lawyers earn in america

if only my knowledge were transferable, I'd maybe move

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 September 2005 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

ok i took the LSAT this morning. it's very possible that i got a 170, but i feel like i'm jinxing it. when the score comes in 3 weeks i might be really sad and embarassed. but i actually finished the entire analytical reasoning section (only guessing on a few), which i didn't do on any practice test i took in the last week, and i got 165, 166, and 169 on them. so i guess now i have to write some personal statements. i don't know what to write about. i haven't encountered any adversity or anything...

for now i think i'm definitely applying to george washington, u. of washington, ohio state, boston university, and u. of michigan. i'm still thinking about this, though. if i did very well on the LSAT i will apply to NYU and berkeley, but i feel like my chances of getting into either of them are pretty bad. i'm also pretty worried about financing this venture. i want to do something public interest-y like human rights or poverty, but i might leave with a buttload of loans and have to defend fat rich guys for 10 years while i pay $1000/month. i don't mind at all being poor as long as i'm not in debt. this sucks.

sorry for making this my personal law school application diary, i just want the internet to know.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Saturday, 1 October 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
Oh lordy, I'm startin' to think about doing this next year, cause gosh I'm awful good at these standardized tests it turns out, and well ya see the band might not quite be workin' out wouldn'tcha know...

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 6 February 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
i am getting scared guys

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Friday, 7 July 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

oh noes

Arial Pink (account), Friday, 7 July 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

DON'T DO IT

RJG (RJG), Friday, 7 July 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

ok thanks friends

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Friday, 7 July 2006 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

am i the only one going to medical school around here??

gbx (skowly), Friday, 7 July 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

best advice i got the summer before law school - "go to the beach; have fun." you want to make sure you have all your practicalities locked down, but don't let that eat all your time.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 7 July 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

so i'm considering law school down the line, but i really want to get a good look at the profession through paralegal work. I've submitted resumes/interviewed in the non-profit sector, but i think it might be worthwhile to see the ugly side of things (Big Law).

where do they usually list jobs (nyc). obv, i haven't seen any listings on idealist.org. any help would be greatly appreciated.

eisbar and others seemed to make it seem like the jobs aren't too hard to find.

one six oh (one six oh), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

They're not. Don't look for a listing -- just send out resumes.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link


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