You Can Download All 11 History Of Hip-Hop Mixes From My Pal Cosmo Here

cool! i wonder if he knew freshco and miz? i had this cassingle by them they were cool

cosmo baker is dope but tell him to watch the company he keeps

these mixes look nice

the end of the '81 mix is hilarious

Fuckin' a, this is awesome. Thanks.

They had the original handwritten lyrics to "The Breaks" at the EMP. That was probably the coolest thing I saw there. They also had the costumes and cane from the "Planet Rock" video.

i'm the buckaroo of the boogaloo
all the buffalos roam when i come through

fuck i didn't even notice the busy bee vs. kool moe dee thing was on there...

Best song I'd never heard before - Loose Joints: "Shoot the Pump" (is this the "Is It All Over My Face?" Loose Joints???)

It is not. One is gay experimental disco cellist Arthur Russell, the other is a hispanic uptown collective I think. forkclovetofu dude interviewed this group I think.

Worst song I'd never heard before - Funky 4 + 1 More: "Do You Want To Rock" (they went from the greatest rap single of all-time to THIS?!?!

Two words expalain it all: DOUBLE TROUBLE. Watch the double trouble stoop scene in Wild Style for a loose explantion. With commentary by Fab 5 Freddy for a better explantion. I've already written about this situation in depth in my book that will never be finished.

Slammin' track I'm embarrassed to admit I'd never heard before - Run DMC: "Beats to the Rhyme"

Remains the best use of Nautilas to date. Run is very proud that they recorded an acetate of their vocals, then rerecorded the track scratching the acetate over their new vocal performance.

Reminder: 1983 and 1984 were stinky years for hip-hop

Uh, 1983 was the year that the first two Run DMC singles came on the scene and made us realize there will be hip-hop after electro fades. 1984 was the year Run DMC's debut album came out and pretty much validated parking for the next 3 years.

Oh, sweet Jesus, it's Christmas.

(bangs head against wall in Peru while unable to download)

This is simply amazing. I downloaded them all last night and now I'm listening to each one. I really needed something like this - instant early hip-hop education.

Woooo! This is nuts!

PappaWheelie what's the Double Trouble thing yr alludin to...? I don't get it (but I do know their Wild Style-stuff and love it)

Uh, 1983 was the year that the first two Run DMC singles came on the scene and made us realize there will be hip-hop after electro fades. 1984 was the year Run DMC's debut album came out and pretty much validated parking for the next 3 years.

But you're merely validating my point. Run DMC are the figure to a ground littered with crappy rap. And as much as I love them, they never recorded anything to match "Looking for the Perfect Beat" or a dozen or so world historic Sugarhill singles.

Too bad electro had to fade for hip-hop. But thank gawd the Latin freestyle brigade grabbed the torch (guess what else I prefer to Run DMC?).

I would have download with all this mix shows.

Sugar Hill was reportedly bad with paying royalties, as most indie rap labels were at the time.

It's the Joint hit huge (especially after Fab 5 Freddy helped them get booked on SNL with Blondie), so of course, some took note that the money wasn't following -- mainly, Rodney C, but also Kevie Kev stuck by Rodney's side in the fight.

When the rest of the group refused to fight Sugar hill for back royalties, Rodney and Kev left the group and formed Double Trouble. This all happened during the filming of Wild Style, so they worked it into the film subtly. The stoop scene of Rodney and Kev raping is the story of the breakup of Funky 4+1, and Double Trouble had those bad ass suits + tommy guns at the Amphitheatre Jam at the end.

But Sugar Hill being Sugar Hill, they continued to record the remaining members as Funky 4, simialry to their releasing White Lines as "Grandmaster & Melle Mel" when Grandmaster Flash left the group. Sylvia and Joey Robinson knew the power of having Grandmaster Flash's name on the record, so she would try to sneak "Grandmaster" on there anyway possible. Then of course, that record backfired more than any as 99 Records sued over the use of Cavern just as Planet Rock revolutionized everything beyond Sugar Hill's capabilites.

Neither Rodney nor kev owned the rights to the name, so, Double Trouble.

http://www.jayquan.com/Fab.htm

aha - it all becomes clear

But you're merely validating my point. Run DMC are the figure to a ground littered with crappy rap. And as much as I love them, they never recorded anything to match "Looking for the Perfect Beat" or a dozen or so world historic Sugarhill singles.

Too bad electro had to fade for hip-hop. But thank gawd the Latin freestyle brigade grabbed the torch (guess what else I prefer to Run DMC?).

So of these 1983/1984 Rap and Hip-Hop oriented tracks, which don't live up to your standards, which do, and do you think the majority agrees on this?

Double Dee & Steinski - Lesson 1
Grandmaster Melle Mel - White Lines
Jimmy Spicer - Dollar Bill Y'all
Art of Noise - Beatbox
C.O.D. - In The Bottle
Debbie Deb - When I Hear Music
Freeze - IOU
George Kranz - Trommeltanz (Din Daa Daa)
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - Scorpio
Hashim - Al-Naafiysh
Jenny Burton - Remember What You Like
Kraftwerk - Tour de France
Laid Back - White Horse
Planet Patrol - Cheap Thrills
Pumpkin - King of the Beat
Shannon - Let the Music Play
Twilight 22 - Electric Kingdom
West Street Mob - Breakdance-Electric Boogie
Aleem - Release Yourself
Debbie Deb - Lookout Weekend
Egyptian Lover - Egypt Egypt
Egyptian Lover - What is a DJ if He Can't Scratch
Freestyle - The Party Has Just Begun
Man Parish - Boogie Down Bronx
Man Parrish - Six Simple Synthesizers
Newcleus - Computer Age (Push the Button)
Newcleus - Jam On It
Paul Hardcastle - Rain Forest
Rock Master Scott & The Dynamic Three - Request Line
Strafe - Set it Off
World's Famous Supreme Team - Hey D.J.
T La Rock - It's Yours
Davy DMX - One For The Treble
Disco 3 (Fat Boys) - Fat Boys
Disco 3 (Fat Boys) - Human Beat Box
Kurtis Blow - Aj Scratch
Ultimate 3 MC's - What Are We Gonna Do
UTFO - Roxanne Roxanne
Whodini - Freaks Come Out at Night
Whodini - Friends
Whodini - Five Minutes of Funk
Pretty Tony - Fix it in the Mix

What I've learned with interviews for the book is A&R types and radio programmers felt that rap was inherantly connected to breakdancing, and after the movies juiced that trend, rap was slated to be completely dead by the end of 1985.

What I personally remember was the dry spell we hit in 1985 before Doug E Fresh's "The Show" and LL Cool J's "Rock the Bells" hit the charts. The Roxanne answer record had long been limping on crutches beore The Show and The Bells, so good songs were few and far between for a few months.

Then take note of all the songs in late 1985 that either were based on TV show theme songs like The Show was, or sustained 808 kick drums like Rock the Bells was. 1985 was a desperate year.

Then the Ultimate Beats & Breaks series came out in 1986, and the SP1200 came out in 1987, and all was resolved.

Ah but you've added the word "oriented" above. I'd never call "When I Hear Music" or "Set It Off" hip-hop or even hip-hop oriented. Or if I did, I definitely wouldn't call them that first (before electro [without the "hop"] or freestyle or house or proto-house or dance or whatever). Same goes with at least half that list if not more.

So it would hardly do any good to tell you that I think "When I Hear Music," for one, is the greatest thing since bread period, sliced or otherwise or that I have no problem with a Shannon or Connie track appearing alongside Bambaataa or Newcleus on that Rhino electro series (something like Electric Jams or Street Jams). But none of the aforementioned gals appear on the hip-hop mixes of the thread title.

Let's make this easier. Of the eleven mixes above, are there any worse than the 1983 and 1984 ones?

Sidenote: I didn't hear Double Dee & Steinski's "Lesson 2" at the end of the 1983 mix. Did I miss it?

P.S. Hurry up and write your book, Pappa! We want to read it!

Thank You, Thank You Scott!! This is going to be my weekend listening. Second the above poster, hurry-up and finish the book. I've read "Won't Stop, Can't Stop" which I liked, but would like another perspective, since it seems to me that the origins of early Hip Hop as canonized in Chang's book are much messier than he acknowledges. My favorite so far is the 1982 mix. Oh God, great stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Rub guys are veddy cool.
I did a longish piece on 'Shoot The Pump' awhile back:
http://tofuhut.blogspot.com/2005/03/l-to-r-futura-2000-on-cowbelllenard.html

Got it.

Edited down to your criteria.

Double Dee & Steinski - Lesson 1
Grandmaster Melle Mel - White Lines
Jimmy Spicer - Dollar Bill Y'all
C.O.D. - In The Bottle
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - Scorpio
Hashim - Al-Naafiysh
Planet Patrol - Cheap Thrills
Pumpkin - King of the Beat
Twilight 22 - Electric Kingdom
West Street Mob - Breakdance-Electric Boogie
Aleem - Release Yourself
Egyptian Lover - Egypt Egypt
Egyptian Lover - What is a DJ if He Can't Scratch
Freestyle - The Party Has Just Begun
Man Parish - Boogie Down Bronx
Man Parrish - Six Simple Synthesizers
Newcleus - Computer Age (Push the Button)
Newcleus - Jam On It
Paul Hardcastle - Rain Forest
Rock Master Scott & The Dynamic Three - Request Line
World's Famous Supreme Team - Hey D.J.
T La Rock - It's Yours
Davy DMX - One For The Treble
Disco 3 (Fat Boys) - Fat Boys
Disco 3 (Fat Boys) - Human Beat Box
Kurtis Blow - Aj Scratch
Ultimate 3 MC's - What Are We Gonna Do
UTFO - Roxanne Roxanne
Whodini - Freaks Come Out at Night
Whodini - Friends
Whodini - Five Minutes of Funk
Pretty Tony - Fix it in the Mix

I maintain the Run DMC debut was not in a littered field of crap come 1983/1985.

I think your final point that the DJ could've chosen better tracks for that era might me true, but I'm not sure I'm willing to criticize his selections for that year so much.

I stand by 1985 being the weakest year for Hip-Hop though, and I do feel a portion his selections even reflect that.

But if you were Hip-Hop in 1983/1984, Debbie Deb, Art of Noise, Kraftwerk, Strafe, et al were Hip-Hop then, no questions asked (as much as say specific tracks from The Honey Drippers, 20th Century Steel Band, Pleasure, 7th Wonder, Freedom, etc. were from 1977-1981). There is a reason why Paul Winely compiled the Super Disco Breaks in 1983...

This is shown to great effect in this thread about Strafe:

http://oldschoolhiphop.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~13266.asp

That thread also shows people finally coming out of the woodwork to gush about Grandmaster Flowers the way I tried to inspire here:

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=44282

Debbie Deb was completely concocted and driven by Pretty Tony and Freestyle (Byron + Garfield), so just because she's being as melodic as say Planet Patrol, I don't see how her entire career (and the knockoffs MSI put in her place) keep her from being Hip-Hop. Did her career spawn a whole seperate genre? Sure, but revising her place in history to remove her/their initial intent isn't fair. Debbie Deb was made for and by Miami Hip-Hop park DJ's (specifically, Party Down DJ Crew I believe).

1983 has a different set of criteris for what makes Hip-Hop than anything in the past decade+. Isn't this why the majority of ILM is so anti-canon in general?

THANK YOU

cant save this to my iPod BOOOOOOOO

Ok just for the record, I DO like/love a lot of what's listed above. But I'd edit it down still further as to what counts as "hip-hop no questions asked." Come on - you really expect to call "When I Hear Music" hip-hop and then have no one ask questions? I know I would. As for "Set It Off," no one on that (fascinating!) Strafe thread called it hip-hop. In fact, someone said "It's not hip-hop... It's Electro Funk." And look where "Set It Off" appears on those Rub mixes - not in the History of Hip-Hop mixes but in the Hip-House one (under "Milkshake"). (Although I acknowledge the inclusion of Chill Rob G's "The Power" in the 1988 [gawd, was it that early??] mix.)

Again, if you or anyone else made a History of Hip-Hop mix that threw in "When I Hear Music" or "Set It Off," I'd never say "what's THAT doing in there? That's not hip-hop!" I'd probably just keep banging my head. And a hip-hop history book that took these tracks (and others) into consideration would be a great one indeed. But you'd have to go further than simply "hip-hop no questions asked."

I promise to read the Flowers thread (and the "Shoot the Pump" piece) soon.

In any event, these mixes are great overall. Thanx Scott!!!!

So you set the criteria. I will accept that...

Despite your initial claim, 1983 was not a crap year for hip-hop, well illustrated by the anthems listed either in my inital list, or the list edited to your criteria.

1983 was the year Electro dominated, and you seem to be an electro fan, so I'm again confused by your initial point.

Early 1984 continued that trend. The Summer of 1984 was the period of Breakdancing movies. By the end of 1984, the well had only begun to run dry (as illustrated by the quickly thrown together Electric Boogaloo sequel that came out only a few months after the inital).

1985 was the closet we got to a drought.

You're evolving points come off as little more than a tail chaser.

closet, closest, whichever

You're evolving points come off as little more than a tail chaser.

I'm confused by this. What do you mean?