the term 'boogie' as referring to early 80s post-disco R&B, C or D

should really be 'post-disco uptempo danceable R&B' i guess

Hmmm... "Boogie Oogie Oogie" and to a certain extent "Boogie Nights" sound like boogie, whereas "Blame It On The Boogie" and "Boogie Wonderland" sound like disco...

or just "boogie" should suffice!

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its kind of hard to talk about the use of the term 'boogie' only by using the term 'boogie'

esp when its also used to describe other kinds of music, as in this thread:
Boogie

I had never heard this word in connection with this type of music, but I can tell you that BOOGIE is one of the finest words in the language and your ability to say it unselfconsciously will increase your happiness (and though this might be true of all words, I am not the keeper of your selfconsciousness)

Is there another thread on the recent rise of this style of music that I could check out? I've always been a fan and i would like to see some of it made more available (...i seem to recall a youtube link thread?!?)

c'mon deej. How about Boogie Disco?

For the people who use this term, it's pretty much a given and it's understood. If I'm talking to a DJ and say what are you gonna play and they say "boogie", I don't get ready to go out on a friday night by staying at home and listening to 1940s piano music.

Like any term, Boogie Disco's got fluid borders and includes slower disco, electronic funk, uptempo danceable R&B etc, but like any other term, you know it when you hear it.

ok, i understand that. im not arguing that its wrong or something. im just interested in the origins/uses of the term. i know that its djspeak, i just dont think that many other people use it that way

if i tell my girl i listen to boogie she'll have no idea what i mean, but disco she understands

when people ask what music im listening to, i dont tell them "oh boogie of course!" and then have to explain what boogie means. i think my original association with 'boogie' is like some 50s rock and roll piano music or something, and thats probably still true for lots of people

deej you're just misunderstanding everytime someone calls you bougie

bougie music is my favorite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SraRU5oD17c

When I was getting into disco, DJs were already just using the term Boogie in the "slow disco" context, and that was, as mentioned, mid/late 90s. I'm guessing it may have derived from Roller Boogie as a genre.

Aha, here's an excellent article from the the ever-reliable Greg Wilson, who also pinpoints the term to the South East of the UK in the mid to late 1980s. Turns out that those 1988 Boogie Tunes comps that I linked above were actually put out by KISS themselves.

http://www.discopia.com/portal/issues/current/Gregwilsonboogie

Everybody wants to be bougie bougie.

bougie-ougie-ougie

by A Taste of Ashford & Simpson

I too had reservations about this term and it didn't catch on for me as a while. Now I use it though. Not a perfect genre name, but useful as shorthand. But I can't stand when people make giant distinctions between all of these "genres" that are by no means disparate. "Yeah ... I like some disco ... but what I'm really into now is BOOGIE." Meanwhile, in my head, I just call it all "disco" or "house."

This is a good comp that's (mostly) of stuff that I think of as classic "boogie," btw:

http://www.discogs.com/release/242177

although there isn't any D-Train on there.

i totally want that soul on the grill mix

Yeah, everything on that Kenny Dope mix, and everything that sounds like it, gets mentally filed as boogie to me.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51BR1YZN2NL._SS500_.jpg

Hear the Freaky Trigger collective discuss the concept of boogie with guest speaker dave q.

Definitely a British term, and I believe the people making the music at this time all called it "funk." Anytime the lyrics references the music or the feel of the music, it's "we got the funk", "I'm gonna give the funk to right now", etc. The word boogie at the time was probably more associated with a very mainstream disco sound, ie "Boogie ooogie ooogie", or "Let's boogie!".

Anytime I play boogie out, I usually get comments like "man, you sure are playing a lot of '80s funk!"

This is definitely my favorite music ever btw, and I think the growing popularity of it might now give me an excuse to make like 100 dj mixes of this shit.

when people ask what music im listening to, i dont tell them "oh boogie of course!"

oh im def gonna start saying this and then refuse to elaborate - itll really simplify things and i just like the enthusiasm.

OH [/I]BOOGIE[/I] OF COURSE!

oh boogie :(

i play tons of the shit, i call it "boogie", "disco boogie", "80's r&b", and maybe even other terms pretty interchangably. there is also a subset of it that i call "electro boogie" which is pretty self explanatory. this shit is my favorite dance music ever, no matter what you call it.

i love love love this shit

http://www.discogs.com/release/564594

good one

that destination boogie thing is very awesome too

yeah ive been noticing boogie getting big props here in sf the last year or so.there's a dude in la on stones throw records who has been digging specifically for this boogie sound for years. he has a very popular night in la and his mixes are ridic. Here's a link to the one he made for Stone Throw and its big on the raers. It's called Dam Funk's Boogie Funk.

http://www.stonesthrow.com/jukebox/

I've never heard it called "boogie" before (hey, to me boogie is Foghat, and I never heard "electro" called "electro" in the early '80s either), but this thread has nonetheless inspired me to take this album with me when I DJ in Brooklyn tomorrow night:

http://www.discogs.com/release/229611

For whatever its worth, in a c. 1980/1981 Boston Phoenix piece on Vaughan Mason, the Strikers, Unlimited Touch, etc., (one of the greatest pieces ever about the stuff) Michael Freedberg called the music "strut." I'm not sure whether he invented the term then, or it was otherwise common at the time.

Nick Straker I associate more with Linx, the Quick, Junior (who has songs on a couple mixes upthread), but I just thought that stuff was called "Brit-funk."

Freedberg also used to refer to a certain kind of slow, pre-house, spun-late-at-night '80s r&b stuff as "sleaze"; can't think of examples now, though.

Oh, there's a sleaze disco thread on ILM, I think Freedberg even posted on it.

Brit-Funk: there was a Soul Jazz comp of all that stuff - Hi Tension, Heatwave, Freeez, Imagination, etc. I think it fits in pretty well with Boogie.

Sleaze Disco

shanghai version: Shanghai club scene - "Sleaze" music

UK Jazz Funk is often a lot faster and more minimal than boogie. I can see why some of that stuff, some of the classic stuff like Hi Tension could crossover w/ boogie, but when you think of UK Jazz Funk like Freeze's Southern Freeze, Atmosfear, Powerline-Double Journey, Francine Mghee Delierioum, it's all a bit more wigged out. Hard to explain, but in the "know it when I hear it" I find most of that stuff pretty different from Boogie. Actually I guess Imagination totally fits. I think I came into UK Jazz Funk from the side that interested me most, which wasn't necessarily the Shakatak R&B/disco side but the almost post-punk side, ACR of course, but that aforementioned stuff.

That's true about the early British stuff being more 'wigged out'. I think part of the reason for that was the standards of musicianship in Britain being generally inferior to those in America, particularly in the most important area - the drums and bass. Speaking as one who was there at the time and actually had a hand in this stuff, I loved the steady grooves of your typical American disco-funk record - from Chic to Slave to whatever. However when I played the drums it always came out a bit more rushed and jittery. You can hear that in most of the early British records. Second Image's 'Can't Keep Holding On' is a bit steadier but still feels like it's pushing.

As I say, it's largely technique, or a lack of, but I wonder also if the mood of the times (punk, new wave) had a subconscious influence - that nervous energy was definitely in the air. Whatever, the solution to the problem came in the form of the drum machine. Beats as steady as you like.

you need this in your life.

http://www.soulbrother.co.uk/pics/grooveondown2.gif

During the much derided 'disco years' of the late 1970's - a period remembered by many for glitterballs, Saturday Night Fever and commercial excess on the dance floor - a large, mainly Black and Hispanic contingent were grooving to an array of underground club cuts otherwise unheard by the vast majority. The tracks that these devotees championed at the time were marked out by their soulfulness and integrity - something that most mainstream disco releases of the day had long since abandoned. Over time and through constant experimentation this music would evolve, and by the early 80's it became what is now known as 'Boogie' - typified by a slightly slower groove carried on a heavier back beat.

Yeah, that's an essential comp, along with two Burgess collections also on Soul Brother. The second volume of Groove On Down is also very good.

During the much derided 'disco years' of the late 1970's - a period remembered by many for glitterballs, Saturday Night Fever and commercial excess on the dance floor - a large, mainly Black and Hispanic contingent were grooving to an array of underground club cuts otherwise unheard by the vast majority. The tracks that these devotees championed at the time were marked out by their soulfulness and integrity - something that most mainstream disco releases of the day had long since abandoned. Over time and through constant experimentation this music would evolve, and by the early 80's it became what is now known as 'Boogie' - typified by a slightly slower groove carried on a heavier back beat.

-- titchyschneiderMk2, Saturday, March 15, 2008 5:40 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Link

this is kinda bullshit tho. 'integrity'???

Yeah, I was gonna say; this is full of baloney, though who knows what "integrity" here is supposed to mean:

soulfulness and integrity - something that most mainstream disco releases of the day had long since abandoned

And yeah, I suppose the dumb platitude below applies to "many," but it really doesn't have much to do with most disco (or at least, there was plenty of late '70s disco it didn't apply to):

a period remembered by many for glitterballs, Saturday Night Fever and commercial excess on the dance floor

And like, why the fuck would disco care about "integrity" in the first place? (Part of what made it great to begin with is that it didn't. Or at least, didn't sound like it did.)

dancing to integrity is my fav

Dancing with integrity in my eyes.

It's probably just a marketing word so they can try to win over soul lovers who still have a problem with "disco". There is a sense of classiness to a lot of Boogie too.

Well... I do find it interesting that this odd little culty term, that was briefly popularised by a few hundred London scenesters in the late 1980s, has since crossed the Atlantic and found more common currency.

In the spirit of that age, I've dug out the mix tapes that my sister made for me in early 1989, when she was a regular on that scene ("Upfront" Friday nights at the Borderline with Trevor "Madhatter" Nelson and Gordon Mac in particular), hanging out at places like Red Records in Soho on Saturdays, and building up her own collection of re-issues and rarities. They were conceived as a souvenir soundtrack of the most played/memorable tracks at the club nights that she was attending at the time, and so may be of interest and tangential relevance. More importantly, every single track on these tapes, which I re-sourced and burnt to CD a few years ago and still play regularly, is utterly fantastic.

London's Old Fave Raves - Spring 1989.

CD1
Joy And Pain - Maze (81)
Want Ads - The Honey Come (71)
Dancin' - Grey & Hanks (78)
Stone To The Bone - James Brown (73)
Runaway Love - Linda Clifford (78)
The Groove - Rodney Franklin (80)
Love Injection - Trussel (79)
Running Away - Roy Ayers (77)
Expansions - Lonnie Liston Smith (75)
Let The Music Play - Charles Earland (78)
Risin' To The Top - Keni Burke (82)
Give Me Your Love - Sisters Love (73)

CD2
To Prove My Love - Ned Doheny (77)
Time Is Right - MCB (83)
Our Time Is Coming - Roy Ayers (82)
All About The Papers - The Dells (80)
Take Some Time Out For Love - The Salsoul Orchestra (79)
I Like What You're Doing To Me - Young & Company (80)
Number One - Patrice Rushen (82)
I Know You, I Live You - Chaka Khan (81)
Star - Earth, Wind & Fire (79)
A Lover's Holiday - Change (80)
The Glow Of Love - Change (80)
Annie Mae - Natalie Cole (77)
By All Means - Alphonse Mouzon (81)
A Chance For Peace (Give Peace A Chance) - Lonnie Liston Smith (80)

CD3
It's Alright Now - Eddie Harris (76)
Don't Make Me Wait - Peech Boys (82)
Movin' In The Right Direction - Steve Parks (81)
Brazilian Love Affair - George Duke (79)
Starchild - Level 42 (81)
Keep The Fire Burning - Gwen McCrae (82)
Disco Nights (Rock Freak) - GQ (79)
Back Together Again - Roberta Flack & Donnie Hathaway (80)
Always There - Willie Bobo (78)
Southern Freeez - Freeez (81)
What Are We Gonna Do About It - Mercy Mercy (85) (HIGHLY recommended)
Music Is My Sanctuary - Gary Bartz (77)
Can't You See Me - Roy Ayers (78)
Ain't No Time Fa Nothing - The Futures (78)
Miss Cheryl - Banda Black Rio (80)

From anecdotal memory and some limited personal experience, I'd say that the two biggest omissions would be Donald Byrd "(Fallin' Like) Dominoes" and Universal Robot Band "Barely Breaking Even" (82), massive anthems both.

From the list in the Greg Wilson piece that I linked above, I'd particularly recommend B.B.C.S & A Band "Rock Shock". A lot of this stuff is also covered in the Mastercuts "80s Groove" and "Rare Groove" comps: http://www.discogs.com/label/Mastercuts

Wow! Those tapes, Mike T! YSI?

Spun all these in a bar in Bed Stuy last night (and also "Rhythm of the Jungle" by the Quick, "Cutie Pie" by One Way, "Don't Make Me Wait" by Peech Boys, etc, among all sort of other kinds of things):

A2 Strikers, The Body Music (7:40)
C1 Secret Weapon (2) Must Be The Music (6:52)
C2 Unlimited Touch Searching To Find The One (6:53)
D2 Nick Straker Band A Little Bit Of Jazz (6:33)

perfectly useful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DRD1A28twk

underrated thread :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRDu24f_4dM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUNoNQmqpoA

"I believe in the boogie/but the boogie don't believe in me..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hhakA07UsY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E9HqjI_-l4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZYhg38ehEw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoleB9i7Sy8

anyone got any good mixes of this stuff?

i mentioned a real good one upthread, 'soul on the grill ii'

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Paul-Nice-Soul-On-The-Grill-2-The-Early-80s-Session/release/547163

Sounds like a really nice selection. AM-FM "You Are The One".... wonderful track!

Still hate the name, but this was a good mix that came out late last year:

DJ Spinna – The Boogie Back: Post Disco Club Jams (BBE)

http://www.discogs.com/DJ-Spinna-The-Boogie-Back-Post-Disco-Club-Jams/release/2016909

Really though, I'd say this vinyl one from 1982 is pretty definitive, if you can find it

http://www.discogs.com/Various-987-Kiss-FM-Presents-Shep-Pettibones-Mastermixes/release/229611

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/may/03/simon-reynolds-boogie-genre-term

i should really just start pitching my thread ideas instead of making threads lol

haha totally

i used 'boogie' in a review today

I've found out that Unidisc's Star-Funk compilation series is possibly the best way to get good boogie tunes on CD for a decent price. They look ugly and have barely any liner notes, but the tune selection on them tends to be top-notch, often mixing rare and obscure tunes (some of which have never appeared on CD anywhere else) with better known classics. They often include electro, hi-NRG and 70s disco too, but the main focus seems to be on early 80s synth-driven post-disco. The quality of the series seems to get more erratic in the later entries (there are 42 different comps in the series!), but the first 25 or so are quality stuff.

fwiw I was like 10 years old when this term was being used in disco ("Boogie Oogie Oogie") and I hated it. Except for Heatwave's "Boogie Nights," Heatwave owns they can do what they want

I know it's not the best term, but it seems to have become the most common name for this specific genre (early 80s, keyboard/synth heavy, post-disco, pre-house American club music), so it's convenient to use it. Or are there any other common names for the genre?

"Boogie Oogie Oogie" > "Boogie Woogie"

https://soundcloud.com/kukka-dj/boogiemix

oh i was wondering if anyone ever made a thread about this

Tangentially speaking, it's interesting how Wild Cherry in "Play That Funky Music" use the term "boogie" to mean white music that is comparatively not funky.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hYJnMgwJDE

this is so fucking good. the best boogie-era funk song by a white band that I've ever heard.

:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSRrGl_bJTw

found this on a youtube crawl. It's cool tracing these bands' development from straight funk to disco to boogie around this time, and how almost invariably, they disappear once hip hop and electro comes around. Some of musicians end up in production or songwriting, or as session guys -- like these dudes, who played behind Teena Marie, Luther Vandross, Billy Preston. Cool rhythm guitar part, nice hook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjzlQHU4KKw

I love the shit outta this era.

This thread was great until you nerds started going on and on about KC and the sunshine band! Really appreciate mike t-diva’s posts itt

v good thread, including the kc-related digressions!

indeed!

awesome thread :)

Kc and his sunshine band is good

This was a really good re-read. Those "London's Old Fave Raves" mixtapes which I mentioned upthread, although as much jazz-funk as boogie, are on a Spotify playlist.

The KC digression reminded me that this music has its own rockist tendencies. I've been playing this stuff out every Friday for the past twelve months, and I've also struggled with my inner rockism (although my regulars haven't) - but these days, I'm happier about finishing the night with pop crossovers.

110-118 feels like the right boogie BPM ballpark, from Fonda Rae "Over Like A Fat Rat" (110) to Status IV "You Ain't Really Down" (118), but it can go slower (Fat Larry's Band "Act Like You Know") or faster (The Strikers "Body Music").

boogie's current incarnation is known as modern funk. a couple good labels in the genre are run by the homie hotthobo:

http://voltairerecords.bigcartel.com/
https://hobocamp.bandcamp.com/

I have had it incorrectly in my head for years that A Taste Of Honey lifted the Kerouac line "if you can't boogie I know I'll show you how" for Boogie Oogie Oogie but the line isn't in the song. Huh.