arent u supposed to be on your way to nepal
― max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link
they have the internet there
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link
death threats are not an officially recognized 'stat' anyway
― max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link
this is great and all, but i just want to say:
America already has a ILBB, ILH and ILNFL? Although I'd be in favour of killing these for a more general ILS
― 80085 (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, March 2, 2010 9:07 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
NEVER
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:25 (fourteen years ago) link
yah srsly plz no bb in mah h&nfl
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
btw the interesting angle of the comparison that neither simmons or zirin explored is what it means for society that ali was taking a principled religious stand and tiger is at the center of a media-created shitstorm abuot who he has sex with.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
because in terms of difficulty of comeback, simmons might be right. i don't know, i wasn't there for ali.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link
imo the point no one is considering is: tiger is a nerd who fucks skanky chicks and plays a boring sport so who cares
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean at least ali was cool
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, March 2, 2010 10:27 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think we should all thank god that bill simmons didnt take up the question of what it meant for society
― max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link
or zirin for that matter
People (like Zirin) are conflating the reason for the hurdle with the height of the hurdle; Simmon's doesn't equate the backstories, only the size of the challenge ahead.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, March 2, 2010 10:44 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark
agree with this
― noted schloar (dyao), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:32 (fourteen years ago) link
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, March 2, 2010 10:29 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
actually now im imagining michael manns 'tiger' and its pretty awesome
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah fair enough max i guess i'm just saying there's material there.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
cant believe ppl are defending bill simmons dumb comparison
― max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Finding a comparison offensive before you even think about the merits is precisely that kind of 'this cannot be compared' nonsense IMO.
What sports events can we compare to Ali's comeback, max?
― FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT! FIST FIGHT IN THE PARKING LOT! (milo z), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link
heres the thing! i thought about the merits! and it took me about 3 seconds!
― max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link
i disagree completely w/his opinion, but i will defend w/my life his right to troll the internet
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link
tbh i dunno if theres been anything quite as nationally impt in this country since that event? for a bunch of reasons obviously. but most athletes arent anywhere as to close to ali in terms of the willingness to take stands--its not a very common occurrence.
― max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link
when they came for bill simmons I did not speak up
― noted schloar (dyao), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm not defending his comparison in that i'm not sure simmons or zirin or any of us have the information to actually make it. but it could be made.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
in fact it was made
and it was dumb
― max, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:40 (fourteen years ago) link
the lakers/celtics finals was kind of like world war II guys
― noted schloar (dyao), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link
actually scratch that, it was more like star wars
would be sweet imo if tiger came back in total beast mode, just all ftw
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
lol what does beast mode look like, in golf
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
glowering, holes in one, menacing throat slashing gestures in phil mickelsons direction
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link
ok, i'm sold
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link
cool lets make this happen, ill phone in a death threat asap
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link
imma go cut letters out of the newspaper so i can glue them to a postcard
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link
right on
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
oh boy
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100303
― HOOM gang (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link
lol awesom
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 March 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, March 2, 2010 10:28 AM (Yesterday)
dude i'm drawing a pretty clear distinction between being thrown in jail & receiving death threats and going to fake rehab & coming back to a legion of adoring/forgiving sportswriters and other old white ppl
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:12 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah but that's not addressing the 'difficulty of coming back,' only the hardships of the falling out. again, reason for hurdle vs. height of hurdle
― noted schloar (dyao), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:14 (fourteen years ago) link
no i think it is, remind me again what the height of tiger's hurdle is? he's going to be embarassed for a few months, but he's NOT RECEIVING DEATH THREATS AND 90% OF SPORTSWRITERS ARE GOING TO BE SUCKING HIS DICK!
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link
...
― noted schloar (dyao), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link
didn't mean to internet yell but please tell me what tiger's "hurdle" is here? his self-imposed exile? his unnecessary fake "apologies"?
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link
simmons most compelling point is the argument about "72/7" media culture, which i think is definitely tiger's biggest "hurdle" that no one before him (in the sports world) has really had to face. i think you're overrating the importance of sportswriters -- in the 'real world' the omnipresence of tmz/US weekly/people + 'real news' stations like cnn are going to be setting public opinion more than bob ryan
also another thing that i think is important in this equation is the nature of golf, which simmons touches on. there's no "crowd noise to drain out thoughts" or anything like that. it's lots of SILENCE, within extreme proximity to a mob of people and lots of idle time just standing around thinking
― HOOM gang (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:21 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah my initial reaction is that 'golf is a lot harder to excel in than boxing'
― noted schloar (dyao), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:21 (fourteen years ago) link
what is public opinion exactly? that he's a sleazeball? scary!
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean a large part of tiger's appeal to me has been how utterly consistent in his dominance he's been, imo golf is one of the hardest games in the world to be consistently good in, and to have performed at tiger's level for the past 15 years or w/e is utterly unimaginable to me. golf is probably the toughest of the sports to maintain your mental composure
― noted schloar (dyao), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link
public opinion = his legacy
― HOOM gang (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link
and if you don't think that athletes are influenced by public opinion, then you're crazy
― noted schloar (dyao), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link
his legacy = a lot of money
goddamn jordan you're such a sportswriter about tiger
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link
lol iirc you and j0rdan actually share pretty similar opinions about tiger
― noted schloar (dyao), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:27 (fourteen years ago) link
udrc
― how is "babby" horribly formed????? (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:27 (fourteen years ago) link
are you trying to downplay the importance of tiger's legacy to tiger? i don't understand the idea that legacy is only important to old, fusty sportswriters
― HOOM gang (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link
luv how simmons doubled down on this, anyone who spend enough time online will end up a troll
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 4 March 2010 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link
anything i've ever heard about him is how much he wants to over take nickalaus' record/be considered the greatest golfer ever
The American Airlines Arena the Heat play in is owned by Miami County. The Heat pay zero rent to use the arena and several politicians have publicly lambasted the deal that created this illogical arrangement. Basically, Heat majority owner Micky Arison used his dough to influence decision makers and push the deal through at the expense of the taxyers who funded the arena's construction.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
i have no idea if mickey arison is a good/bad person, but this is how every single stadium in america comes to fruition. pretty unremarkable, especially compared to bennett/mclendon.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
i don't really think that people should choose their rooting interests based on the politics or actions of a team's owner because almost all of them are shitty rich bastards. but the OKC owner are a special type of shitty rich bastard, so it adds a silver lining to any misfortune that the team should experience.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
Yes, although Wiki says there are some who hold Arison, the Carnival cruise line owner, and one of the wealthiest men in the world, responsible for that cruise ship that crashed in Italy killing 32 people.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link