the nu-pigfuck

kinda bummed that I missed their set at SXSW, they were playing right next door to where I was

drunkdriver broke up

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 26 March 2010 19:27 (26 minutes ago) Bookmark

Because their drummer got outed as a rapist.

I was gonna post something abt this yesterday but it seemed morelike rubbernecking than anything productive at that point

This is something the singer from the band wrote today tho - basically the drummer from Drunkdriver has a number of accusations of rape and general sketchiness following him around from his past (inc when he was in Wives if you remember Wives) and it caught up with him

i didn't know about these accusations when we started this band. after about six months in, one of these incidents was brought to my attention. had a long talk with jeremy about it, who completely denied it. he told me in detail about the incident when he was 15 and both instances in question from when he was in wives. after thinking about it, i decided that i wanted to believe my friend's story. he told kristy about it, and she took the same position as i did. after she and i heard from two very hard detractors of jeremy's, we decided for ourselves that we needed more information. because she didn't have an email address or any other kind of contact info, she wrote the myspace page of the band in question. she absolutely did not ask for details, but said that she was a woman playing in a band with jeremy and wanted to know if, as a woman, she should be concerned about playing music with him or being around him at all. she never heard back from them, which is more than completely understandable but did factor into why we decided to stay together at that point. we tried our best to talk to people who were around when everything happened with wives, and many were supportive of jeremy. we stayed a band for three years after that, and in that period of time jeremy did not ever step out of line or act out of turn. he had cut significantly down on drinking in the past year and stopped completely in november. when we were on our way back from chicago, i was told about the mishka blog post. i didn't mention it to kristy or jeremy at the moment because i just wanted for us to get home safely and not freak out. the day that i got home, timmy hefner called me and said that he had talked to no age and some other la people after reading the blog and absolutely could not do shows for us anymore. immediately after that, todd p called and said that he was dropping us from his monterey fest because no age refused to play if we were on. immediately after that, randy from no age called me. this was the first time that anyone from la had ever contacted me or kristy. he told me his side of the story and no age's position and was as sweet, stand up, and polite as possible in doing so. after talking with him, i started to feel differently. the enormous gravity of the situation started to really beat down on me and i felt significant doubt for the first time. we talked about it at length again, and a part of me, as someone i had grown close to, still wanted to give jeremy the benefit of the doubt. he freely and openly discussed this with anyone and openly posted his email address to anyone who wanted to contact him about this, which made me feel more confident in him. i still wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but this ate at me more and more. we played a handful of other shows and did sxsw. after that, this thread came up. with all of the dialogue, it beat me down and made me reexamine my position. i told kristy and jeremy that i could no longer do the band and they respected my decision. i agreed to play this one last show, but as time went on and i talked to friends and read this thread, i decided that i couldn't do that either.

i won't lie and say that i don't care about jeremy. when he's told me what he's told me in the past, i really want to believe him. still, i know that a number of people involved in his past have absolutely no reason to lie to me and if this is true, i absolutely cannot live with myself. the thought of it disgusts me and breaks my heart. the fact that he's been good throughout my experience doesn't take away from the possibility of his past. i can't do this band anymore and feel good about it.

i'm so sorry to everyone who this has hurt. i'm so sorry to everyone who i have disappointed beyond repair. i never meant any harm, but that doesn't take away from anything.

xp obv

ilx late to the discussion as usual

terrible that those clusterfuck threads didn't happen here

I was actually thinking about having a civilized non-dickish(TM) discussion about what the honorable, responsible music critic to do is, in regards to reviewing/mentioning the upcoming record. Though I pretty much think at this point, no one is gonna touch it with a 10-foot pole.

here's what you do whiney:

http://i43.tinypic.com/99mlhf.jpg

This is the one on Load right? I mean is it even gonna get released esp if the prevailing opinion is of the "no one is gonna touch it with a 10-foot pole" kind?

This kept being mentioned on VLV where everyone said it was all over BCO and now i cant even escape it on ilm

Hopefully ILM will manage to not be quite as pro-rape as VLV

jeez! was he the drummer in wives? i think i talked to that guy for minute at the 7th st entry....they played a show w/my friends and everyone flipped because prince showed up at the end with some bodyguards and hot chicks.

I've had long AIM and phone conversations with people very close to Jeremy AND people very close the victim and I honestly still don't have enough information to form an real opinion of my own.

I don't get the controversy, plenty of musicians have done horrible/unforgivable things

I can understand not wanting to be in a BAND with a particularly objectionable person cuz that's a level of personal connection that could get pretty uncomfortable

or is this community just SO SMALL that everyone involves feels personally responsible for everybody else...?

i think it's that punk rock is an actual COMMUNITY that most of us are a part of; and not just a bunch of people gawking at R. Kelly or Mystikal or Phil Spector from afar

really fucked up situation.

erect the youth problem by wives is a killer record.

i think it's that punk rock is an actual COMMUNITY that most of us are a part of; and not just a bunch of people gawking at R. Kelly or Mystikal or Phil Spector from afar

― sodamrongerbot (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, March 26, 2010 11:28 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark

i agree; a lot of the pressure/responsibility being thrown around is on a friend-basis. it's really weird that it's mostly playing out on the internet, but i guess it would be like if some regular ILXor did something really bad like this.

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um not sure i get it

but bleh what a morass

it's probably for the best they broke up, writing or talking about or even going to the record store to buy their new record (if it even gets released) it will be forever awkward. i certainly won't be smashing my drunkdriver records any time soon, but it's a weird space between not wanting to say something off-colour about a rape and being sad one of your favourite bands broke up.

Though I pretty much think at this point, no one is gonna touch it with a 10-foot pole.

in some ways this is a real shame, especially for the rest of the band. blegh this is weird.

so, uh, ed, where in brooklyn??? i'll come i think.

awesome!

it's at some place called shea stadium

show starts @ 9, tinsel teeth going on 4th

I got some load records distro vinyl w/ me

ok scratch that

tinsel van broke down in PA

we're not making the brooklyn show

pigfucked in PA. bummer.

is the dd album still coming out? or has it already, i've lost track

― facepalm death (samosa gibreel), Friday, March 26, 2010 3:35 PM (1 week ago)

parts unknown is putting it out

get ready rubberneckers

will probably be my album of the year if the song they had up on load myspace is any indication. i always dreamed of a louder, less blown out lo-fi drunnkdriver and now my dream is going to come true.

in the mean time i'm anticipating the new twin stumps

dd leaked & is currently kicking my ass

tinsel teeth album drops tomorrow

i'll keep an eye out for that, they were rad openning for chinese stars last summer.

not pigfuck per se, but dope body's 'natural history' is giving me some cows/jesus lizard vibes - along with some flipper/melvins plodding along the way - and helmet's notion of groove.

tho, in this case the confrontational posture of some of these bands is put aside for some welcoming goofiness...

think this type of stuff got subsumed into the rolling punk threads

rolling punk/non-indie underground 2012

but yeah dope body is rad

The White Suns rekkid on Load is the best nu-pigfuck of 2012

ok, thx. i never payed that much attention to that thread, tbh. always thought about it more in terms of punkier or indier efforts - dunno, iceage, king tuff or nu sensae.

dope body record rules.

just remembered 90s florida band load, sounded like karp and cherubs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TimaHlPv31I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9zBHU1PCCo