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http://twitter.com/1000TimesYes/status/11952196866

Whiney WEEPING FOR THE UNDERDOG in this bitch

it was so, so hard not to post this response to the zing thread

http://twitter.com/ichlugebullets/status/11952796043

zings from beyond the grave

last time i checked, deej lived in a town called doo doo eater ville where only stupid people live, and they eat their doo doo, so dude prolly shouldn't step to me about hipsters

XD

ayo whiney do you really consider all the lols "bashing"? ICP 1) know they're funny 2) are being funny on purpose - it's possible to say "this shit is hilarious" and still not be laughing meanspiritedly imo

like that bashir interview afaic dudes come off like enviably together ppl w/their priorities straight, and that's been the word on them for years - at instore signings, they hang around until the last fan's gotten his hand shaken even if it takes 8 hours etc - 100% sincerely think these guys are awesome, also think it's fair to laugh at guys IN CLOWN MAKEUP.

guys who write songs like "I Stab People"

I could kind of understand Whiney getting his panties in a bunch about some of the other ICP threads that turned into LOLz @ fatjuggalo.jpg for large stretches, but this one is straight up homage.

i guess its not the bashing its just the overarching vibe that we're definitely "looking down" on a subculture vastly inferior to ours.

I mean can i just

"I spun her around and licked her face/She screamed, hit me with a can of mace"

vs.

"I fell in love with the first cute girl that I met who could appreciate Georges Bataille/Standing at Swedish festival discussing "Story of the Eye"

i'm not really trying to be capn save a clown and all, but i'm just kind of tired of hearing it from all angles. it's way bigger than just an ilx thread

violent j said something on stern like 10 years ago about why they couldn't understand why everyone hates them. they're not on the radio, they're not on MTV, they're not in your face like a backstreet boys or a britney or a beiber. they're a total underground thing that you can ignore like you would ignore a bright eyes album, and yet the internet is picking apart their every move like they're pearl jam.

i'm just pointing it out, i'm not gonna get all super-aggy about it

aggy everywhere in this bitch

anyway, what you say could apply to phish, and i think it's pretty reasonable to hate phish & it has nothing to do with classicism

or i guess, what violent j said

& people pick apart everything they do because they are transparently & inherently ridiculous

seriously ppl that whole bashir interview is genuinely inspiring to me. because it's the same situation as in dream deceivers, guys who make music for a niche audience and have a special bond w/that audience, being accused of wanting the hurt the people to whom they owe their careers, and getting a chance to say to clueless dudes "what we do is about love & family & if you can't understand that, that's on you"

not that i don't think there's some element to truth about what you're saying re: "hipsters" or w/e, but it's not like their art isn't asking to be picked apart by internet culture -- i.e. there was no classicism i think in the "picking apart" and rofling at die antwoord -- it's just lol ridiculous rap

whiney i dont care about how connected you are to what hipsters think, you just have an unbelievably distorted view of the real world, worse than any 'hipsters' i know

my fukkin dad would make fun of these dudes if he saw them on nightline -- must be a hipster!!

i think you a have a distorted idea of the argument i'm trying to make

ill get off whiney's dick when he stops annoying world-weary posts abt hipster anthropology -- who the fukk even seriously talks bout 'hipsters' any more like its some easily identifiable group of ppl -- all this shit is covered on npr, my mom probably heard titus androdicosdjsiojd before i did, owl city is popular with everyone, plz stop using the word 'hipsters' without some self awareness

i think you have a distorted idea of reading comprehension skills

this is pretty self-aware tbh, ffs

also in general can we cut all the side-stepping around the word "hipster" like it's some ugly "other." I'm so goddamn tired of everyone on ILX being like "I'm fat/old school/unfashionable/nerdy so I'm not a hipster." Jesus christ, we all post on a message board where people deconstruct the meaning of the word "balearic" and transcribe gucci mane lyrics and call Dirty Projectors "boring normal indie" and brag about the blues 78s they found at estate sales. Enough with the posturing already, ffs

― my adrian langs a ton (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, December 11, 2009 3:33 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

.e. there was no classicism i think in the "picking apart" and rofling at die antwoord

classicism?

lol autocorrect

meant classism

oh no -- a silly clown group is making goofy-ass music & people think its funny!!

the constant attention you pay to ilx/williamsboard/whatever those other sites are that i guess represent 'hipsters' just gives those groups even more attention & a disproportionate amount of significance in your head than they have in the real world. its like, if u actually have some critique to make about these ideas, then call out individual writers or something but stop spending time opining abt the motives of some shadow group of cultural antiheroes youve decided need so much damn attention. its just as bad as uncritically propping up every 'hipster' band that gets some buzz ... u can step back & remove yourself from that game entirely

deej, i agree "hipster" is a problematic word and doesn;t exactly accurately describe the diverse world of alt-leaning message board communities who get caught up in leaked mp3s and meta-commentary and sterogum and whatev; and fringey fashiony people. but, seriously "hipster" is currently the most understandable thing we have going. Quit pissing your fucking pants about it.

and uh, yeah, i know people like sufjan aren;'t really "famous" i'm not a fucking retard.

i think you mean fukkin retard

deej, you've done such a enviable job of stepping back and removing yourself from that world entirely

also in general can we cut all the side-stepping around the word "hipster" like it's some ugly "other." I'm so goddamn tired of everyone on ILX being like "I'm fat/old school/unfashionable/nerdy so I'm not a hipster." Jesus christ, we all post on a message board where people deconstruct the meaning of the word "balearic" and transcribe gucci mane lyrics and call Dirty Projectors "boring normal indie" and brag about the blues 78s they found at estate sales. Enough with the posturing already, ffs
― my adrian langs a ton (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, December 11, 2009 3:33 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i agree w/ the first part of this but the 2nd is like ... 'transcribe gucci mane lyrics' is something hipsters do? what? thats something rap fans have done since forever w/ their favorite artists. bragging about blues 78s? dont all kinds of music nerd dorks do that? when """"hipsters"""" is so broadly defined that it includes such vast spectrums where jordan sargent is in the same as steve buscemi's character in 'ghost world' then what meaning does that even have. you start being like ... "can we stop pretending like hipster means something?" (i'm on board) then "because it means us, we're hipsters, and we're not like REAL AMERICA" meanwhile REAL AMERICA has the internet. they know it exists. all it takes is the ability to communicate w/ people and you can enter a conversation w/ people on ilx. the only person who really seems to divide ppl up into condescending groups is whiney weingarten

wow, you are such a dipshit

wait, so reading stereogum is what makes a hipster? then im not one at all

deej you placing yourself outside the whole spectrum of hipsterdom is kinda posing imo...you are on a message board arguing w/the 1000xyes dude. imo you bear some hipster stain yrself my friend

i love deej's implication that he speaks for the common man stumbling across ilx with his democratic internet connection and not a capital-H hipster who has "PITCHFORK WRITER" as the first line on his business card. the "art of pretend unhipness" fucking defined dude, get a grip

in fairness the first article of the hipster creed is "I am not one"

i'd like to state for the prosecution that the one time i met deej it was at the pitchfork music festival and he was wearing boat shoes

and for the defense, his +1 was a black dude

deej you placing yourself outside the whole spectrum of hipsterdom is kinda posing imo...you are on a message board arguing w/the 1000xyes dude. imo you bear some hipster stain yrself my friend

― Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Monday, April 12, 2010 2:10 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dog i write for pitchfork. i 'get' this. the stereogum comment was a joke @ whiney's expense. im still pointing out the meaninglessness of this project he has of identifying things that are cool w/ hipsters & things that arent. as far as i can tell, as a human being w/ an interest in culture, the only thing i can do to **not** be a hipster is just not have interests, at all. as soon as i enter into discourse w/ ilx or williamsboard or whatever other sites whiney fanatically keeps up w, then i become **one of them.**

this is totally not about 'me', i voluntarily joined pfork & i dont care/havent for ages whether someone cares if i am a 'hipster' or not -- i just think its a waste of dude's life to keep worrying about this shit because its really so meaningless

you're the one worrying about it, i'm just pointing out that hipsters zing ICP.

you really sound like you don't care whether someone cares if you're a 'hipster' or not. please post 5 more times about how you don't care

its like his entire thesis on hipsterdom is a self-perpetuating loop -- cultural item [x] is a hipster item bcuz i read about it on ilx -> ergo ilx is full of hipsters -> ergo cultural item [x] is hip -> etc

whiney you should post on one more internet medium about how you don't really care and you're just pointing out that hipsters zing icp -- do you have a facebook?

whiney you post non-stop about hipsters constantly. i dont, except when im getting annoyed at your whole corny fake-jaded steez

this is totally not about 'me', i voluntarily joined pfork

are there people who joined involuntarily? OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THEIR BODIES

as soon as i enter into discourse w/ ilx or williamsboard or whatever other sites whiney fanatically keeps up w, then i become **one of them.**

DING DING DING DING DING

and again, stop playing like you're fucking Joe six-pack stumbling into some music chat room to talk about American Idol. You're fucking immersed in alternative culture and certainly immersed in ILX

are there people who joined involuntarily? OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THEIR BODIES

― Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Monday, April 12, 2010 2:19 AM (3 seconds ago) Bookmark

brett discresenzo takes out your insides and then inhabits your skin -- he moves quickly through the writing staff as to avoid detection

whiney you post non-stop about hipsters constantly. i dont, except when im getting annoyed at your whole corny fake-jaded steez

― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Monday, April 12, 2010 3:19 AM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i use the word 'hipsters' beacuse there's currently not a better word to describe what was known as "alt-culture" in the 90s and "punk culture" in the 80s. you're the boner who wants to get all Merriam Webstar about it

every fucking time i might add

i mean seriously, my writing on pf*rk is like the least-concerned with whatever people on williamsboard think about the music i like as it can be (NOTE:: this is not saying anything about whether i am or am not a hipster, just observing that writing about that shit is really super boring). i dont care what rap artists are doing 20 shows at cmj. maybe that makes me **more** of a hipster, bcuz i think im following my own taste or whatever. i dont really care. but id much prefer to write that way than spend all my time agonizing over whether or not j stalin is now a **hipster rapper** because whiney saw a review of him on pfork (or the opposite -- deej thinks hes down with the skreets & hes informing the ''''hipsters'''!! instead of actually reading & understanding what the argument made abt the music actually was)

it is true that whiney does seem to be thinking about hipsterism 24/7 but c'mon, dude is one of those dudes who when he's thinkin about something really gets super-focused & intense about it, that is just how he is as a thinker & that's part of what makes him interesting so lighten up and let a man be himself