fire, water, air and dirt / fukkin magnets / how do they work?

seriously ppl that whole bashir interview is genuinely inspiring to me. because it's the same situation as in dream deceivers, guys who make music for a niche audience and have a special bond w/that audience, being accused of wanting the hurt the people to whom they owe their careers, and getting a chance to say to clueless dudes "what we do is about love & family & if you can't understand that, that's on you"

not that i don't think there's some element to truth about what you're saying re: "hipsters" or w/e, but it's not like their art isn't asking to be picked apart by internet culture -- i.e. there was no classicism i think in the "picking apart" and rofling at die antwoord -- it's just lol ridiculous rap

whiney i dont care about how connected you are to what hipsters think, you just have an unbelievably distorted view of the real world, worse than any 'hipsters' i know

my fukkin dad would make fun of these dudes if he saw them on nightline -- must be a hipster!!

i think you a have a distorted idea of the argument i'm trying to make

ill get off whiney's dick when he stops annoying world-weary posts abt hipster anthropology -- who the fukk even seriously talks bout 'hipsters' any more like its some easily identifiable group of ppl -- all this shit is covered on npr, my mom probably heard titus androdicosdjsiojd before i did, owl city is popular with everyone, plz stop using the word 'hipsters' without some self awareness

i think you have a distorted idea of reading comprehension skills

this is pretty self-aware tbh, ffs

also in general can we cut all the side-stepping around the word "hipster" like it's some ugly "other." I'm so goddamn tired of everyone on ILX being like "I'm fat/old school/unfashionable/nerdy so I'm not a hipster." Jesus christ, we all post on a message board where people deconstruct the meaning of the word "balearic" and transcribe gucci mane lyrics and call Dirty Projectors "boring normal indie" and brag about the blues 78s they found at estate sales. Enough with the posturing already, ffs

― my adrian langs a ton (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, December 11, 2009 3:33 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

.e. there was no classicism i think in the "picking apart" and rofling at die antwoord

classicism?

lol autocorrect

meant classism

oh no -- a silly clown group is making goofy-ass music & people think its funny!!

the constant attention you pay to ilx/williamsboard/whatever those other sites are that i guess represent 'hipsters' just gives those groups even more attention & a disproportionate amount of significance in your head than they have in the real world. its like, if u actually have some critique to make about these ideas, then call out individual writers or something but stop spending time opining abt the motives of some shadow group of cultural antiheroes youve decided need so much damn attention. its just as bad as uncritically propping up every 'hipster' band that gets some buzz ... u can step back & remove yourself from that game entirely

deej, i agree "hipster" is a problematic word and doesn;t exactly accurately describe the diverse world of alt-leaning message board communities who get caught up in leaked mp3s and meta-commentary and sterogum and whatev; and fringey fashiony people. but, seriously "hipster" is currently the most understandable thing we have going. Quit pissing your fucking pants about it.

and uh, yeah, i know people like sufjan aren;'t really "famous" i'm not a fucking retard.

i think you mean fukkin retard

deej, you've done such a enviable job of stepping back and removing yourself from that world entirely

also in general can we cut all the side-stepping around the word "hipster" like it's some ugly "other." I'm so goddamn tired of everyone on ILX being like "I'm fat/old school/unfashionable/nerdy so I'm not a hipster." Jesus christ, we all post on a message board where people deconstruct the meaning of the word "balearic" and transcribe gucci mane lyrics and call Dirty Projectors "boring normal indie" and brag about the blues 78s they found at estate sales. Enough with the posturing already, ffs
― my adrian langs a ton (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, December 11, 2009 3:33 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i agree w/ the first part of this but the 2nd is like ... 'transcribe gucci mane lyrics' is something hipsters do? what? thats something rap fans have done since forever w/ their favorite artists. bragging about blues 78s? dont all kinds of music nerd dorks do that? when """"hipsters"""" is so broadly defined that it includes such vast spectrums where jordan sargent is in the same as steve buscemi's character in 'ghost world' then what meaning does that even have. you start being like ... "can we stop pretending like hipster means something?" (i'm on board) then "because it means us, we're hipsters, and we're not like REAL AMERICA" meanwhile REAL AMERICA has the internet. they know it exists. all it takes is the ability to communicate w/ people and you can enter a conversation w/ people on ilx. the only person who really seems to divide ppl up into condescending groups is whiney weingarten

wow, you are such a dipshit

wait, so reading stereogum is what makes a hipster? then im not one at all

deej you placing yourself outside the whole spectrum of hipsterdom is kinda posing imo...you are on a message board arguing w/the 1000xyes dude. imo you bear some hipster stain yrself my friend

i love deej's implication that he speaks for the common man stumbling across ilx with his democratic internet connection and not a capital-H hipster who has "PITCHFORK WRITER" as the first line on his business card. the "art of pretend unhipness" fucking defined dude, get a grip

in fairness the first article of the hipster creed is "I am not one"

i'd like to state for the prosecution that the one time i met deej it was at the pitchfork music festival and he was wearing boat shoes

and for the defense, his +1 was a black dude

deej you placing yourself outside the whole spectrum of hipsterdom is kinda posing imo...you are on a message board arguing w/the 1000xyes dude. imo you bear some hipster stain yrself my friend

― Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Monday, April 12, 2010 2:10 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dog i write for pitchfork. i 'get' this. the stereogum comment was a joke @ whiney's expense. im still pointing out the meaninglessness of this project he has of identifying things that are cool w/ hipsters & things that arent. as far as i can tell, as a human being w/ an interest in culture, the only thing i can do to **not** be a hipster is just not have interests, at all. as soon as i enter into discourse w/ ilx or williamsboard or whatever other sites whiney fanatically keeps up w, then i become **one of them.**

this is totally not about 'me', i voluntarily joined pfork & i dont care/havent for ages whether someone cares if i am a 'hipster' or not -- i just think its a waste of dude's life to keep worrying about this shit because its really so meaningless

you're the one worrying about it, i'm just pointing out that hipsters zing ICP.

you really sound like you don't care whether someone cares if you're a 'hipster' or not. please post 5 more times about how you don't care

its like his entire thesis on hipsterdom is a self-perpetuating loop -- cultural item [x] is a hipster item bcuz i read about it on ilx -> ergo ilx is full of hipsters -> ergo cultural item [x] is hip -> etc

whiney you should post on one more internet medium about how you don't really care and you're just pointing out that hipsters zing icp -- do you have a facebook?

whiney you post non-stop about hipsters constantly. i dont, except when im getting annoyed at your whole corny fake-jaded steez

this is totally not about 'me', i voluntarily joined pfork

are there people who joined involuntarily? OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THEIR BODIES

as soon as i enter into discourse w/ ilx or williamsboard or whatever other sites whiney fanatically keeps up w, then i become **one of them.**

DING DING DING DING DING

and again, stop playing like you're fucking Joe six-pack stumbling into some music chat room to talk about American Idol. You're fucking immersed in alternative culture and certainly immersed in ILX

are there people who joined involuntarily? OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THEIR BODIES

― Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Monday, April 12, 2010 2:19 AM (3 seconds ago) Bookmark

brett discresenzo takes out your insides and then inhabits your skin -- he moves quickly through the writing staff as to avoid detection

whiney you post non-stop about hipsters constantly. i dont, except when im getting annoyed at your whole corny fake-jaded steez

― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Monday, April 12, 2010 3:19 AM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i use the word 'hipsters' beacuse there's currently not a better word to describe what was known as "alt-culture" in the 90s and "punk culture" in the 80s. you're the boner who wants to get all Merriam Webstar about it

every fucking time i might add

i mean seriously, my writing on pf*rk is like the least-concerned with whatever people on williamsboard think about the music i like as it can be (NOTE:: this is not saying anything about whether i am or am not a hipster, just observing that writing about that shit is really super boring). i dont care what rap artists are doing 20 shows at cmj. maybe that makes me **more** of a hipster, bcuz i think im following my own taste or whatever. i dont really care. but id much prefer to write that way than spend all my time agonizing over whether or not j stalin is now a **hipster rapper** because whiney saw a review of him on pfork (or the opposite -- deej thinks hes down with the skreets & hes informing the ''''hipsters'''!! instead of actually reading & understanding what the argument made abt the music actually was)

it is true that whiney does seem to be thinking about hipsterism 24/7 but c'mon, dude is one of those dudes who when he's thinkin about something really gets super-focused & intense about it, that is just how he is as a thinker & that's part of what makes him interesting so lighten up and let a man be himself

whiney can be excused for thinking about hipsterism 24/7 considering that he lives in williamsburg -- it would be like a dude living in a rat cage thinking about what rats are up to all the time -- i think we should feel bad for him more than we should attack him tbh

as soon as i enter into discourse w/ ilx or williamsboard or whatever other sites whiney fanatically keeps up w, then i become **one of them.**
DING DING DING DING DING

and again, stop playing like you're fucking Joe six-pack stumbling into some music chat room to talk about American Idol. You're fucking immersed in alternative culture and certainly immersed in ILX

― estela artois (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, April 12, 2010 2:19 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im not u fukkin uncomprehending goofus, this ***isnt about me***
i have the vampire weekend album on my ipod ok? lol @ you continually trying to turn this into DEEJ IS IN DENIABLE ABOUT BEING A HIPSTER i wore boat shoes at a pfork festival this is all very irrelevent to my overarching point which is that your continual ***i am super self aware about hipsters*** nonsense is a load of annoying

i have the vampire weekend album on my ipod ok?

smdh

a dude living in a rat cage thinking about what rats are up to all the time

77 board description imo

j0hn is probably right tho in good hug-it-out spirit three people i was hanging with last nite were astonished to know that i know the guy who did hipster puppies

ok, good argument, i'm off to bed.

in hug-it-out spirit, i'm gonna say that whenever you read the word "hipster" coming from one of my posts, just replace it with, "the wide spectrum of people currently into alternative culture that are both consuming and creating a huge part of the internet discourse we are currently involved in--including certain alt-weeklies, magazines, indie music review sites, music blogs and message board much like our beloved ilx"

i think to be a lil less personal in my annoyance & more fair to whiney, i do think that the constant focus on 'hipsters' does a really good job of obscuring actual existing communities that exist out there & reduces it all to an 'us' vs 'them' reductive mentality that gives one extremely vague subculture an overwhelming weight ... why when i said the sade single was dope on pfork did it become '''hipsters love sade now, huh''' instead of, this one dude likes sade? because it could just as easily have gone the other way, in some sense -- there are plenty of culturally-aware young ppl who uhh i dont know dig 'the wire' or post on williamsboard & dont like sade. & with music it gets super annoying because its like, if im identifying as a 'hipster' do i suddenly have an obligation to care about joanna newsome? or like, i dont know, animal collective? & its not about me saying "yo animal collective sucks!" its about the idea that i should feel obligated to enter into that discussion at all, when i (and im sure some people here) know plenty of cool, reasonably hip people who've never heard animal collective in their lives.

its like, either hipsters are one kind of person or they are multitudes, but a lot of times engaging w/ whiney about this stuff feels like hes trying to have his cake & eat it too

'have his cake and eat it too' meaning 'everyone is basically a hipster' while saying 'gucci is such hipster music' & meanwhile i know 0.0 'hipsters' who give a toss about the dude ... & of course there are some who do, because 'alt culture' covers this huge amount of ground. 'hipsters love making fun of icp' -- well duh, so do lots of people of all walks of life

we gotta have some logic problems here.

not all hipsters listen to gucci, not all gucci fans are hipsters
not all icp zingers are hipsters, not all hipsters are icp zingers

But in both of those cases, a notable amount of people who are undeniably hipsters happen to engage in those activities in 2010. It's not as us v them as u think

Justice Potter Stewart on that azz

but do they do it because they are hipsters, or because their is an overlap w/ 'people who are hipsters' and 'people who make fun of icp,' and it happens to have nothing to do w/ whatever it means to be a hipster, and everything to do w/ hey icp are hilarious

man you dudes can really just ruin any thread, can't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQW1rYdFG98

i saw the best thread of my generation ruined by hipsters