fire, water, air and dirt / fukkin magnets / how do they work?

I said this upthread but several of their earlier songs have references to being straight-A goody-two-shoes before being claimed by the Dark Carnival

so.... do they know how magnets work, or...?

max = does not notice and appreciate miracles.

i just want to know how magnets work

At the risk of sounding like a judgmental, classist jerk, I definitely take issue with the whole "Scientists are liars! Miracles are the real explanation!" element of the song. I don't care if underneath the make-up, Shaggy is a physicist and Violent J is a neurobiologist; encouraging people to discard actual facts about the world in which we live in favor of attributing things to "miracles" is not good. Encouraging skepticism? Definitely. Encouraging people to explore and question? Absolutely. But just straight up insisting that scientists are liars and everything is really just due to MIRACLES OMG is troubling as a world view.

If their encouragement to disbelieve scientists and instead attribute all "unexplained"* phenomena to God is all a part of their crypto-Christian agenda, well, I think that's pretty deplorable, too. I'm not even saying that I begrudge them their religious views. I don't. I'm saying that encouraging people to regress back to some dark age as far as their knowledge of the world is concerned is a bad idea and absolutely worth mockery, regardless of whether these Clowns actually mean it or are actually smart or whatever.

*Unknown to them, I mean. Most of what they are singing about is actually pretty well explained, ie magnets and how the fuck they work - regardless of how many people on ILX know how magnets work, the point is that it is known and pretty easy to look up should one be so inclined. Actually, the first Google search result for "how magnets work" - http://www.coolmagnetman.com/maghow.htm - consists of information presented in 1952. So humans have had a pretty good understanding of magnets for some time now.

no one itt has stepped up to describe how magnets work

And I'm not sure how one is supposed to earn straight As in school if one insists that science is a lie and instead believes that commonly understood natural phenomenon, such as rainbows, magnets, the phenotype of human offspring, and crows are in reality nothing more than inexplicable miracles.

dude we're talking about middle school in MICHIGAN

anyone that thinks that scholastic achievement in grades 5-8 somehow correlates to actual intellect is....a clown

MI used to have good schools, though?

the uberhipsters at Slate are now officially all over this story: http://www.slate.com/id/2250217/

s'late

so can I maybe put forward the opinon that you might be taking this a tad too seriously, Jenny, or will you bite my head off

no one itt has stepped up to describe how magnets work

here is the deepest secret nobody knows
(here is the root of the root and the bud of the bud
and the sky of the sky of a tree called life; which grows
higher than the soul can hope or mind can hide)
and this is the wonder that's keeping the stars apart

the movement of charged electrons create magnetic fields (these fields exert force on other magnetic objects)

The song is funny—imagine Wordsworth gone rock-rap, dropping f-bombs aplenty in praise of the natural sublime.

i think you are describing this thread, slate dude

I'm gonna fess up and say if I ever knew how magnets worked exactly, I don't remember how. I do remember wondering why magnets don't decay over time.
(for example, you can rub a paper clip with a magnet which will make it temporarily magnetic as well -- but why doesn't the magnet lose its magnetism [perhaps more slowly] as well?)

Fukkin stock market how does that work?

did wonder whether the slate person might have read this thread xxp

haha I started reading that "how magnets work" link and let me assure you, MN public schools did not go into that level of detail, not even in middle school

no one itt has stepped up to describe how magnets work

iirc: magnetic force is due to moving electrical charges; a linear magnetic force is produced when electrical charge moves in a circular direction; therefore the electron orbitals of each atom produce tiny magnetic forces as they orbit the atom; magnetic metals are magnetic because in those metals the electron orbitals can easily line up in the same direction, and the billions of atom-sized magnets thus work together to produce a huge force. it's kind of a miracle when u think about it

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Fukkin stock market how does that work?

looooooool earlier today i did quip 'fucking banks.....*pause*....how do they work'

this is the meme of '10 whether we like it or not

as someone unfamiliar with any wider icp eschatology 'miracles' just seems shorthand for the sort of 'look at the carpark' strain of weak optimism that's more or less nondenominational, maybe it is more sinister but the song alone is insufficient evidence

so can I maybe put forward the opinon that you might be taking this a tad too seriously, Jenny, or will you bite my head off

Since you asked so nicely, I will address your concern without biting your head off.

I'm not taking this seriously to the point that I'm thinking about the impact of ICP's teachings and philosophy on the Youth of America when I am not actively engaged in this thread. I'm mostly presenting that argument as a counterpoint to your defense (if it even rises to the level of a defense - maybe it's just an opposing point of view? I don't want to ascribe more ICP-related enthusiasm to your posts that you actually intend) that ICP are actually smart dudes. To sum up my response using fewer words: their regressive world view belies any actual intelligence that they may have.

Some of my apparent passion is probably coming from a TED talk I watched last night about pretty much that very subject (regressive thinking re: science, not ICP, although I would probably watch a TED talk by or about ICP, too). It was mostly in the context of anti-GMO food activists and vaccine deniers, but the common thread is this idea that scientists are liars who are not to be trusted.

In short, I stan for scientists.

TS, which is deeper: ICP "Miracles" vs. Joanna Newsom HOOM.

ICP are exactly the kinds of speakers TED invites!
Dean Kamen and Violent J tag-team powerpointing on segways.

[btw oops sorry -- searched the thread for "slate" before posting but not "weiner" for obvious reasons]

Someone needs to take a Joanna Newsom lyric (something from Ys?) and ICP-ify, stat.

ksh... c'mon buddy.

no

Oh I guess I was also responding to some comments that were kind of in the vein of "making fun of ICP is an elitist thing to do." I'm not making fun of them for their music or their weight or their aesthetic, but I do think there are elements of their schtick that are legitimately worth looking at critically, and the anti-science element is one that stood out the most for me as far as this particular song goes.

to me, the best thing i've read about the song's "real" pov was the slate article--it's just some dudes, smokin stuff, thinkin' about rainbows. it's not any more complicated than that.

I stan for scientists, too. I also think that ICP use any smarts they have primarily for:

- making money
- getting people who would normally be bitter, angry reactionaries to be nice to each other and many of those around them

...so, as such, I kind of don't care if they're particularly regressive in their thinking on questions like magnets because it's wholly secondary to why they exist, namely to get paid.

oh fuck me, I just used "stan" as a verb

add a d to stan, you're a mod!

I really should

"- getting people who would normally be bitter, angry reactionaries to be nice to each other and many of those around them"

is this true? I do agree ICP's popularity is a mark of Michigan's failure to reach out in terms of jobs/education or whatever where something like ICP scoops them up and fills in the void.

is this true?

have you read, like, any of the links or articles posted on this thread or on other threads on ILX, or listened to an extended amount of their music

Had a 'Miracles' moment while walking the dogs last week tbh. It was really windy and I blurted to my wife 'What IS wind? What is this STUFF which is hitting my hand right now?!?!"

i've read a fair bit of the articles and threads, haven't listened to the music (or amazingly this video because it sounds amazing!)

why are you here

it's a miracle!

... was bashfully hoping for an explanation of magnets...

(the circular electricity explanation is great, don't get me wrong, but I always thought it might have to do with missing valence electrons or something)

y'all motherfuckers lyin, & gettin me pissed

What up, ninja, with facepaint bright
In the Gathering late at night
What miracle hand or eye
Could frame thy clownface symmetry?

In what fucking deeps or skies
Burns fire like Faygo when it gets in thine eyes?
With what miracle that would shock thine eyelids?
Dare not a scientist explain me this fire

When fucking magnets started to work,
And fucking rainbows came after it rained,
Did he smile to be down with the clown?
Did He who made the Juffalo make thee?

d the anti-science element is one that stood out the most for me as far as this particular song goes.

― she is writing about love (Jenny), Tuesday, April 13, 2010

isn't "fukkin magnets / how do they work?" kinda yr Scientific Project in a nutshell?

(the circular electricity explanation is great, don't get me wrong, but I always thought it might have to do with missing valence electrons or something)

atoms with missing electrons are probably more likely to experience an electrical force than a magnetic force due to the charge imbalance

the Juffalo! ksb2 <3

isn't "fukkin magnets / how do they work?" kinda yr Scientific Project in a nutshell?

intial qn: fukkin magnets how do they work?
observation: fukken magnets
hypothesis: its a miracle
perform experiment: fuck scientists
analyze experiment: ur getting me pissed
conclusion: juggalo 4 lyfe

I would like Eminem to peer review this.