Why is everyone not going totally bonkers about the junior boys?

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well i wouldnt go that far...

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

i would, they remind me of scritti a lot... "so put up or shut up", harvell...

<< / my word is law >

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

They still remind me of a sensitive indie band who have actually been paying attention to and absorbing electronic music trends since 1986 as opposed to just buying a synthesiser cos its more feminine. This is pretty much what I used to publically wish for all the time so it irks me a little that I only like and not love them.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

coz i've heard cupid & psyche 85

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

They remind me of Telefon Tel Aviv + the assorted goth pop influences, and TTA remind of, um, Timbaland + pretty pretty melodies.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

I can't listen to the vocal melody of 'Birthday' without thinking of 'Making Plans for Nigel'. :(

I too am a bit lukewarm.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

grrr that nigel thing may well come to bother me nipper. i hadn't noticed it before, but now...

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

the band the junior boys remind me of most is ar kane circa i, minus the leftover shoegaze baggage.

I must hear this band.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:34 (twenty years ago) link

I must take phoebe's advice and listen to some arthur russell...

hey john

― jeremyg, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

and also must take this oppertunity to big up jess harvell....who is simultaneously my greatest ally and greatest detractor...i love u j

ok...now pretend i wasn't ever here

― jeremyg, Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:48 (twenty years ago) link

You seem a good sort! I'll listen in when I can. Russell is cool stuff indeed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link

Let's face it Marcello wants to have a go at Nick, usual controlled explosions isn't it? Still wondering why the female alias, it really is creepy!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 21:44 (twenty years ago) link

"(i suppose some of my reservations already sound inherent in tim's quote already but i'm not sure)"

Prima are your reservations about the transparency of Junior Boys' influences or that people talk about said influences too much?

I think both are a result of - as Tom alluded to - a lot of people wanting exactly this sort of band to come into existence for a long time and either being underwhelmed or predictably overwhelmed now that it has happened. It's too tempting to look at Junior Boys and see the stylistic equation (and either be over-excited or suspicious of that) rather than the group themselves. ie. it's almost too fitting that K-Punk is their biggest cheerleader because they're like the total (mathematical) solution to his problems with the current pop landscape. The tendency is understandable but it can get in the way of whether the music is actually really good or not (I think it is).

Phoebe is unintentionally playing the same game by bringing up Arthur Russell ("my reference points for this group are more obscure and seminal than yours!" basically). I hope it doesn't stifle the group's progress with self-consciousness (Jeremy stop reading this thread now!!)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

Well, alternately one could read the thread and be quietly amused/bemused.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

ronan i think she's something to do with 'singin' in the rain'

― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

right right i would agree with all that. when u say transparency of influences, i mean sometimes it seems deliberately so, fostered by gabba and hyperdub and junior boys themselves. calculated. i dont want to go overboard tho, and nor am i saying that these influences arent necessarily worthy or that ppl have all been chumped by the great conspiracy but i dunno...

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

Prima all the main JB tracks were floating around long before gabba's involvement. I can't speak for Mark K-Punk (who I think wrote the original hyperdub article). One of the guys (Jeremy) in the band used to write for CCRU though so you could trace a development of stylistic ideas from there.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

haha i did already

"he talks very happily about cultural viruses and very interestingly up to a point but he doesn't think that he himself is a viral contagion; he still thinks that he is the scientist"
-- sadie plant on richard dworkins

― prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

Making Plans with Nigel!!!!!

so right and yet so upsetting!

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 01:30 (twenty years ago) link

what is making plans for nigel?

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 10:29 (twenty years ago) link

I must hear this band.

And now I am. Hey, very spiffy! Jess's lurv for them is well justified in my eyes. :-) Yay big empty spaces blocked off by beats and things.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 January 2004 02:59 (twenty years ago) link

haha zemko why do you deny yr eshun heritage

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 30 January 2004 03:03 (twenty years ago) link

yes big empty spaces are good.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 30 January 2004 03:06 (twenty years ago) link

'i'm in a wide open spaaaace...'

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 30 January 2004 03:07 (twenty years ago) link

Actually much as I like the singing so far -- and it's not really suggestive specifically of Arthur Russell I find, there's a quality distinguishing it and making it different I'm trying to pin down here -- the arrangement that's captured my ears most effectively is "Unbirthday," lack of vocals and all. Something to do with the use of static (which definitely ain't 1986).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 January 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

'i'm in a wide open spaaaace...'

that's Coloma not the JB'z

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 30 January 2004 03:18 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone else heard their Kylie cover?

― stopsss, Monday, 9 February 2004 17:06 (twenty years ago) link

how'd you know about that? it's true... there is a 'Kylie' cover, only it's not quite finished yet.

― nick.K (nick.K), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

what track?

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:57 (twenty years ago) link

'Slow'

― nick.K (nick.K), Monday, 9 February 2004 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

GOD BLESS THEM

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 9 February 2004 18:51 (twenty years ago) link

Hehehe. I am intrigued.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

there's a story behind it that I won't go into, but I suspect their real reason for doing it was to appease me.

― nick.K (nick.K), Monday, 9 February 2004 19:25 (twenty years ago) link

ha the most calculated kylie song of all!

ok ok i'm keeping shtoom from now on til i hear some more

― prima fassy (bob), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

(indie spacek! ok ok shhh)

― prima fassy (bob), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

That's great because I've been putting Birthday on mixtapes next to Slow for the last couple of months! Perhaps they should try Andre 3k/Kelis' "Millionaire" next...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:37 (twenty years ago) link

don't hold your breath prima, I'm not plugging it for radio, you'll have to wait till I post it on the KIN site

― nick.K (nick.K), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:59 (twenty years ago) link

see second review: http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0405/040204_music_cdreviews.php

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:01 (twenty years ago) link

"england's junior boys"? I thought they were Canadian?

― bnw (bnw), Monday, 9 February 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

"high come down" would fit on the jc chasez record so well...

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:05 (twenty years ago) link

are they really Canadian? fuck, that's my edit mistake.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:08 (twenty years ago) link

(and the treble pulses sound like the hook from "forgot about dre" with the missing parts put back in and then swapped like a utah housewife)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:09 (twenty years ago) link

They're from Hamilton, Ontario? Or was it Halifax, Nova Scotia?

One of the two.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:12 (twenty years ago) link

ha the most calculated kylie song of all!

oh yes/oh dear?

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:12 (twenty years ago) link

Hamilton.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:12 (twenty years ago) link

"High Come Down" is~~n't~~ very good.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

You are mad.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:24 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, I salute you for being reserved an all the HYPE! threads, but it's a great song, by far the best thing they've done, IMO.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

yeah it is great - i have changed my mind - hence the scorethru. i just love Last Exit too much.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:02 (twenty years ago) link

oops, didn't notice that.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

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