FREEFORM 1990's ALTERNATIVE ALBUM POLL - THE RECKONING (TOP TEN COUNTING DOWN NOW)

just out of curiosity m@tt, have you heard all 3 bungle albums? (not being some challenging dick here, just thinking that if the one yer familiar with is the first one, its way way more standard than the second and third).

also i totally agree w/the idea that zappa (particularly those albums) was operating pretty far out of the box for the time period, i just dont see him being all that directly related to bungle.

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― Varg Vikinem (jjjusten), Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:12 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah jj you are more or less right, the first one was kinda just "around" in the soup of alt rock back then, so that's the one i heard a lot...

i did see mr. bungle live once and based on the time period i bet they were touring and doing most of the stuff on "california". i enjoyed them live.

but absolutely i am No Expert w/r/t to bungle (or all of the post FNM diaspora patton projects for the most part)

basically contenderizer said what i was trying to say better here:

it's hard for me to imagine mr. bungle existing absent zappa's (perhaps indirect) influence, and it's hard for me to consider them outside his shadow.

like i'm not saying they aren't awesome or they are like zappa ripoffs at all, i just see them existing in a post-zappa world i guess...

also just guessing but they are older than me, but i'm sure you know if you were a kid that played guitar and read a lot of guitar mags in the 80s (which i imagine they did) you sorta got a lot of zappa stuff thrown at you from the sorta "musician" world back then....

like for instance, when i tried to learn Peaches En Regelia off of bass tab in Guitar FTPM without ever actually having heard the song haha

If you had do save one track by Mike Patton for eternity what would it be?

"Stubb (A Dub)"

fuuuuuck

Dan might be OTM, actually

weird how there was no sonic youth on the orig. poll

hahahaha m@tt that must have been fun xxxxpost

not stubb a dub for me, but i have to think about it a while.

merry go bye bye

fuck maybe "merry go bye bye"?

xpost HA!

yer taste is impeccable sir

50 at 50 hurrah.

'Merry Go Bye Bye' was my second thought

'Desert Search For Techno Allah' my third, and 'Goodbye Sober Day' my fourth

Totally missed this poll, cool to see so much I haven't heard.

'Ma Meeshka Mow Skwoz' fifth, 'My Ass Is On Fire' sixth, 'Vanity Fair' seventh OK I'LL STOP NOW

"Merry Go Bye Bye" is my favorite Bungle song, but if I had to save a single song with M Patton vocals on it, I'd go for "The Real Thing".

its also hard for me to pass up the fantomas directors cut album tbh, but i dont even know where to start picking there so nevermind

lol some smart-ass is gonna be all 'Delirium Cordia'

and I am that smart-ass

although that wouldn't be my answer

Bah, Simplify is not loading up for me so I can't play "Merry Go Bye Bye" and see if it would change my mind, since I don't remember it offhand.

Is Delirium Cordia anywhere near as good as "Butterfly in a Glass Maze"?

magic hour = the product of my putting just five or six records on my ballot. i expected a MUCH larger turnout (due to being away forever and having no real idea how many people regularly participate in such polls anyway), so i figured giving 50 points to an obscure album i dearly love might help it out a little. didn't figure that it would guarantee it a high placement in the final tally.

anyway, i love no excess is absurd, the first rogers/biggar record i ever got into. still think i prefer it to anything that came before or after - love the folky delicacy of the vocals and songwriting, the contrasting ecstasies of guitar. it does for me what i hear my bloody valentine does for other people.

plus it isn't the only forgotten guitar rock album i gave a TON of points to. so, uh, fair warning...

Yes! Back to Magic Hour!

yet another band I've never heard of. starting to feel kinda ignorant ovah heah

shame on you, shakey

dont really know any bands fron the 90s really

this band doesn't even have a wiki entry lol

'The dog is going to die very soon' sez Mike Patton, worryingly
Plaintive organ intro
Some wurlitzer/Madness/comedy sax(?) breakdown
WTF is that?
Weimar-thrash apoplexy
Thanks his mom
Threatening someone with death
Says goodbye but proceeds with fulsome Tom Araya ish catharsis
Plaintive organ outro
'That was properly sombre'

Not that fond rly, a little too forcedly 'wacky'....I'll try the other song

"folky delicacy of the vocals and songwriting" and "contrasting ecstasies of guitar" sounds like a fair description of Built to Spill. Is the record in that kind of territory?

Because I am always looking for more high-caliber examples of that kind of stuff.

oh Magic Hour is a Damon & Naomi thing! weird that I have not heard of it, given the huge Luna/G500/Ghost fan that I am... odd. will get.

indeed

Now for the hilarious statistical quirk...

Looks like we're about to have a six-way tie for 50th place, with each album at 50 points apiece...

shakey search out Major Stars as well (though the last couple of albums they got in a singer and sound quite different to the other albums before it)

am starting to worry if a couple lower-ranked selections of mine will chart, was expecting at least one of them to place pretty well...

50= Pizzicato Five - Happy End Of The World
50 points
1 vote
1 first-place vote
Contributor: Haikunym/Dimension 5ive/T-Bone Streep/M4tt C1bula

http://pds13.egloos.com/pds/200903/19/70/c0034770_49c1d34943ee6.jpg

The only qualm I have about classifying P5 as "great" --- not mindblowingly spectacular / important, but pretty great --- is the fact that their significance is pretty limited to a certain time period and a certain aesthetic, as evidenced by the fact that most of their stuff *already* sounds sort of dated. Perhaps you just had to be there and buying records in that particular vein as they came along. . . Regardless, I'd argue that their material was pretty wonderful at the time --- in about the same way that "So Tough" was wonderful at the time --- and they really do deserve some credit for popularizing, if not inventing, two worthwhile developments in mid- 90s indie: (a) the idea that electronically-based music could be bouncy and happy as opposed to dark and sultry, and (b) the big influx of non-rock rhythms and influences. (Was bossanova overrepresented in this influx? Surely. But the musical vocabulary of a demographic previously limited to the Velvet Underground, the Sex Pistols, and the Beatles really blossomed around this point.) Thus . . . classic. Classic like a piece of technology that seems revolutionary when introduced but quickly becomes quaint and dinky. The Commodore 64 of the 90s.

― [nabisco], Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (8 years ago)

I think the exquisite sequencing is probably the reason that I think that Pizzicato Five's Happy End of the World is the best pop album ever made.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 10 February 2005 16:06 (5 years ago)

Frank:

What is the album/song/genre that you are most surprised about loving unconditionally?

Matt "mine would be Pizzicato Five's Happy End of the World" Cibula

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:56 (4 years ago)

which reminds me, I've not ordered the new Major Stars yet. Must place an aQ order soon.

Oh hell yeah, I loved that record.

good nabisco post y'all

Wow, totally forgot to put that P5 on my ballot. So glad it placed. Love it to death.

oh whoa i would not have remembered to vote for that but i am now thinking about it fondly

(1997 btw)

btw nakhchivan hate to say it but one bungle song is not really going to make it stick i think, not really a singles band

yeah, nakhchivan, also think you'd be better off starting with the later stuff, it's less cartoony, more slyly psychotic

I know the opening track of the Pizzicato Five album very well coz it's on Blue Jam (Chris Morris' radio show)...very good song, if the rest of the album is as good then yeah I all for this sort of thing

I can pretty safely say that I haven't thought of Pizzicato 5 in about a decade. A friend of mine who worked in a sushi restaurant introduced me to it so I thought I was partaking in some deeply scrounged out Japanese culture like those videotapes of Japanese game shows he used to bring over. Anyway, the next week I found the promo in a little white sleeve a little while later at my job at Sam Goody. It brought me a lot of pleasurable listening for a few years. I guess I lost the CD though.

sounds like a fair description of Built to Spill. Is the record in that kind of territory?

― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla)

i could easily see magic hour appealing to BTS fans, but they're way more outsider-y. the songwriting is rooted in the soft 60s & 70s pop/folk, and the guitar freakouts are epic, sometimes overwhelming, not terribly melodious.

good music for staring at walls for long stretches of time

so... the common reference point for BTS and Magic Hour is... Neil Young?

I did a choir trip to Japan in the summer of 1993 and happened across a Pizzicato 5 concert broadcast on TV one night flipping channels in one of the hotels. It was mesmerizing, particularly when it segued into the video for "Twiggy Twiggy" immediately afterward. I skipped 3 meals so that I could buy one of their CDs while on that tour since I figured I would never, ever see hide nor hair of them in the US.

I still have that import (another live concert) and it's fucking great.

50= Nomeansno - Live And Cuddly (1991)
50 points
1 vote
1 first-place vote
Contributor: kingkongvsgodzilla

http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/78/Nomeansno_Live_and_Cuddly.jpg

The rendition of "Body Bag" on Live & Cuddly is amazing.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 9 April 2005 00:20 (5 years ago)

Yeah, to say Live and Cuddly is a secondary purchase just seems wrong to me (no pun intended.) I'd say it's one of the best live rock records ever made.

― donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 9 April 2005 01:43 (5 years ago)

Yeah, I see what you're saying about "Live and Cuddly", having given it another listen and realizing that it is a great live record. If I had been in less of a hurry, I would have specified that it isn't a good starting point due to the fact that the almost sterile studio precision of the other nomeansno releases is part of what gives them their charm. This is not to say that they aren't a formidable live show...just that the starkness you get from an album like "Wrong" can't be captured in a live setting, I guess.

― John Justen (johnjusten), Saturday, 9 April 2005 06:26 (5 years ago)

ultimate bro music.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 23 April 2006 04:50 (4 years ago)

i'm really drunk.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 23 April 2006 05:03 (4 years ago)