FREEFORM 1990's ALTERNATIVE ALBUM POLL - THE RECKONING (TOP TEN COUNTING DOWN NOW)

emil.y, aside from Suede, which albums have piqued your ire?

I really really hate Mansun. Sorry.

I've only had 1 album place so far (the Sun City Girls one I lavished 40 points on). But there's tons of good stuff so far and like so many ppl itt I'm picking up some promising electronic/ambient pointers.

oh shit

i've fucked up the whole poll from dr octagon downwards

TS: Mansun vs. Charles Manson vs. Marilyn Manson vs. Shirley Manson (of Garbage "fame")

it's now a top 101 and everything is 1 space down from what it's posted as

stereolab, xtc and de la soul never happened

argh

lol

lol x2

no wait, dr octagon and suede ARE 35=, but Mansun is 37, not 36. Mansun was where I fucked up.

whatevs

sorry everyone

Mansun was where I fucked up.

Lots of people said this in the '90s iirc.

Piss you, LJ, you are not putting Mansun and Suede and all the other crap in this poll and then abolishing Stereolab.

xpost wait, does that mean it's sort of okay again?

Just scrap whatever is at number one? I won't tell anyone.

make it #0!

lol I'm not REALLY having Stereolab erased from the listing. but it IS officially a top 101 now

dan otm

Yeah, I like the idea of a #0.

lolis jagger

Just get a kindly mod to erase Suede?

hahahaha quite tempted to poll Six vs Dog Man Star for eviction

but I won't. I'll just get Dan to edit every single album post on this thread. >:D

Make me an ILM mod and I'll do it myself...

*Six vs DMS vs Dr Octagon, in fact, coz there's no strawman like indie hiphop!

indie hiphop v. proto-wayne poop metaphors comic book masterbation.

Hahaha! Outstanding work, ringmaster!

Six is hardly britpop is it, other than that they were British and used guitars. It's not got much in common with Cast or Shed Seven at least. I went for it for its ambition above all, the polar opposite on this score at least of Oasis and the rest of the dadrock types.

Similarly with Dog Man Star, which is the high water mark of britpop, even though really it came out before britpop was a thing. It's a bit like Six in that they both start with a kind of powerpop(?) template but open out beyond it very quickly. With Suede at least the arrangements are always much lusher, so the opening out seems a bit more natural and less quirky than Six. It doesn't all work, but the half-dozen songs that do are magnificent things. Only Blur really occasionally get close.

There's still one other britpop era album I was hoping to see, but I suspect that might be yer lot, unless Geir does ride to the rescue after all.

Kool Keith is indie?

dr. octagon is so dope

motherfuckers kool keith was in ultramagnetic MCs he's not indie rock

N.B. I have the Dr Octagon album and will listen to it soon - my brother assures me it's great

I don't think I've ever heard any of the rock albums in this poll, except for Metallixa (maybe REM too?), so I can't really raise my ire for any specific artist, just for the general prevalence of indie/alternative rock. For some reason I've actually seen Suede live twice though. I guess they were an okay live act, never cared for their music. But I don't quite get what makes them so hated compared to some other bands in this poll - what makes them so different from, say, REM?

why don't any of you want to help me make Geir listen to hip-hop

spend more time talking about Dr. Octagon's advanced chord progressions

Definitely on-par with the Beatles and Oasis iirc.

it does have more F Sharp 7 diminished than any other album in hip hop history

i doubt suede is geirbait, too sexual prolly

xpost

and that one verse where keith rhymes a whole verse in phrygian mode

seeing geir complain about black ppl music for the 87th time is just not worth it dp, no matter how he ends up hearing it.

Have you heard Dr. Octagon's pitch-perfect, note-for-note cover of "Bohemian Rhapsody," guys?

why don't any of you want to help me make Geir listen to hip-hop

spend more time talking about Dr. Octagon's advanced chord progressions

― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, May 4, 2010 8:59 PM (1 minute ago)

Similar artists to Dr Octagon on Last Fm include Early Genesis, Ocean Colour Scene, Late XTC, Crowded House, Coldplay and The Flower Kings (??)

I don't think Geir even reads these polls, sadly - he might if he were the only voter

ooops i fucked up i think phrygian is a greek mode, so that's probably mud ppl music to geir

mixolydian or gtfo

No, Greek music is where music began for Geir.

Aphrodite's Child amirite?

28= 33= Hole - Live Through This (1994)
62 points
5 votes
0 first-place votes
Greatest contributor: Fetchboy

http://robetin.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/1994-live-through-this.jpg

You couldn't even quantify the amount of hate I had for this record when it was first out, in part because of extreme overexposure from constantly being pumped out into the apartment from my roommate's stereo, but also because Kurt Cobain had just died and I was sure Courtney had something to do with it, and also because I suspected he wrote all of her songs anyway.

Now, with 15 years of distance, I find it's actually a pretty remarkable album. And yes, a lot of the songs resemble bits of Cobain's own material, but this is because Courtney Love was a pretty skilled opportunist (and really, is it that hard to write a song in the Nirvana style?).

― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 3 May 2009 11:06 (1 year ago)

Live Through This is great! okay, bye now.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 23:44 (5 years ago)

The second side = victory lap.

― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 3 May 2009 14:28 (1 year ago)

this is a dope album and i'd say i like it about as much as any Nirvana album.

― young drobot (some dude), Monday, 4 May 2009 15:57 (1 year ago)

i'll just say that this is probably my favorite hard rock album of the past fifteen years.

oh, and how exactly did Cobain "write" it when he was pretty much livin' in junk heaven at the time (and complaining about not being able to write songs anymore to anyone who would listen).

and if Courtney ripped off his song ideas, so what? that just makes her a brilliant thief, afaic--kinda like Zeppelin and the Stones in fact.

― Ioannis, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 11:45 (11 months ago)

i've heard from "sources" close to kurt cobain that he wrote most if not all of live through this.

― "Together we could rape the universe" (omar little), Tuesday, 5 May 2009 21:26 (11 months ago)

however, i don't think it's a big deal.

― "Together we could rape the universe" (omar little), Tuesday, 5 May 2009 21:26 (11 months ago)

it doesn't influence my enjoyment of the music, but obviously, it renders courtney far less interesting in my eyes. not that i believe anything. i just believe in the songs, themselves.

― Surmounter, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 21:41 (11 months ago)

Scott's post there was taken from one of the most appalling, horrendous threads I've ever seen on ILM. DO NOT READ. why do people on ILM hate "live through this" ?

(and indeed, Scott's post is pretty much the only thing I could conscionably take from it)

what makes [Suede] so different from, say, REM?

This is why I'm glad Tuomas is around, because I rarely converse with anyone who has such an outsider perspective on rock music that they'd lump Suede and R.E.M. together. It puts things in perspective. I mean, I'm sure there's a ton of electronic music I lump together that someone with more insight could delicately separate based on this or that thing, and now I know how those people feel.

Tuomas, Pole 1 showed up earlier! Does this not make you happy?

Well, to me Suede and REM don't sound so different: they both have whiny singers, lyrics with odd metaphors, a sound somewhere between soft and hard rock, jangly guitars, and melancholic tunes. I don't see that huge a difference between them, stylistically, and they both sound equally whiny and irritating to me.