why don't any of you want to help me make Geir listen to hip-hop
spend more time talking about Dr. Octagon's advanced chord progressions
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Definitely on-par with the Beatles and Oasis iirc.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link
it does have more F Sharp 7 diminished than any other album in hip hop history
i doubt suede is geirbait, too sexual prolly
― the Rob Based god (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link
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and that one verse where keith rhymes a whole verse in phrygian mode
― the Rob Based god (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
seeing geir complain about black ppl music for the 87th time is just not worth it dp, no matter how he ends up hearing it.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Have you heard Dr. Octagon's pitch-perfect, note-for-note cover of "Bohemian Rhapsody," guys?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Tuesday, May 4, 2010 8:59 PM (1 minute ago)
Similar artists to Dr Octagon on Last Fm include Early Genesis, Ocean Colour Scene, Late XTC, Crowded House, Coldplay and The Flower Kings (??)
― Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think Geir even reads these polls, sadly - he might if he were the only voter
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link
ooops i fucked up i think phrygian is a greek mode, so that's probably mud ppl music to geir
― the Rob Based god (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link
mixolydian or gtfo
― International Harvester Of Eyes (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link
No, Greek music is where music began for Geir.
― M. Loh, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Aphrodite's Child amirite?
― Vision Creation Mansun (NickB), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link
28= 33= Hole - Live Through This (1994)62 points5 votes0 first-place votesGreatest contributor: Fetchboy
http://robetin.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/1994-live-through-this.jpg
You couldn't even quantify the amount of hate I had for this record when it was first out, in part because of extreme overexposure from constantly being pumped out into the apartment from my roommate's stereo, but also because Kurt Cobain had just died and I was sure Courtney had something to do with it, and also because I suspected he wrote all of her songs anyway.
Now, with 15 years of distance, I find it's actually a pretty remarkable album. And yes, a lot of the songs resemble bits of Cobain's own material, but this is because Courtney Love was a pretty skilled opportunist (and really, is it that hard to write a song in the Nirvana style?).
― Johnny Fever, Sunday, 3 May 2009 11:06 (1 year ago)
Live Through This is great! okay, bye now.
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 23:44 (5 years ago)
The second side = victory lap.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 3 May 2009 14:28 (1 year ago)
this is a dope album and i'd say i like it about as much as any Nirvana album.
― young drobot (some dude), Monday, 4 May 2009 15:57 (1 year ago)
i'll just say that this is probably my favorite hard rock album of the past fifteen years.
oh, and how exactly did Cobain "write" it when he was pretty much livin' in junk heaven at the time (and complaining about not being able to write songs anymore to anyone who would listen).
and if Courtney ripped off his song ideas, so what? that just makes her a brilliant thief, afaic--kinda like Zeppelin and the Stones in fact.
― Ioannis, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 11:45 (11 months ago)
i've heard from "sources" close to kurt cobain that he wrote most if not all of live through this.
― "Together we could rape the universe" (omar little), Tuesday, 5 May 2009 21:26 (11 months ago)
however, i don't think it's a big deal.
it doesn't influence my enjoyment of the music, but obviously, it renders courtney far less interesting in my eyes. not that i believe anything. i just believe in the songs, themselves.
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 21:41 (11 months ago)
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Scott's post there was taken from one of the most appalling, horrendous threads I've ever seen on ILM. DO NOT READ. why do people on ILM hate "live through this" ?
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link
(and indeed, Scott's post is pretty much the only thing I could conscionably take from it)
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link
what makes [Suede] so different from, say, REM?
This is why I'm glad Tuomas is around, because I rarely converse with anyone who has such an outsider perspective on rock music that they'd lump Suede and R.E.M. together. It puts things in perspective. I mean, I'm sure there's a ton of electronic music I lump together that someone with more insight could delicately separate based on this or that thing, and now I know how those people feel.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Tuomas, Pole 1 showed up earlier! Does this not make you happy?
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, to me Suede and REM don't sound so different: they both have whiny singers, lyrics with odd metaphors, a sound somewhere between soft and hard rock, jangly guitars, and melancholic tunes. I don't see that huge a difference between them, stylistically, and they both sound equally whiny and irritating to me.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link
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if LTT isn't at least in the top 50 of the 90s list someone's gonna have to pay.― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:44 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark
By "someone's gonna have to pay" I meant "I'll make sure it is on the next one"
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link
MIGHT LAST A DAY! MINE IS FOREHHHHHHHUHVERRRRRR-EH-ERRR!!!
― M. Loh, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, firstly Suede's entire *thing* is derived from the glam excesses of the 1970s whereas R.E.M. draws a lot of its style from Appalachian folk traditions (sometimes more indirectly than at other times), resulting in two very distinct sounds within a broader category. Secondly, R.E.M. seem less confined by their own parameters, seemingly shifting direction on a whim from album to album, whereas Suede never dare stray too far from their original gameplan (not to fault them for this, it's a noble gameplan).
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Trying to think of the most Suede-like R.E.M. song (or vice-versa)... Crush With Eyeliner?
― Gavin in Leeds, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDD @ Hole.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm sure there's a ton of electronic music I lump together that someone with more insight could delicately separate based on this or that thing, and now I know how those people feel.
xp - i think this is otm. i know several rock and/or hip hop listeners who call just about anything i put on with a 4/4 kick drum "techno".
this poll is great fun so far. i like the one-vote wild cards! at this rate first place could be from a single 199-point vote...
― second toughest in the internets (another al3x), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, obviously I only know Suede and R.E.M. through their hit singles... But, for example, to my ears these two songs certainly seem to belong in the same category - the only big difference is that Suede uses more modern production techniques.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsbTfdcHXRs&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we_bSR3wrgY
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
serious q: what is this poll? stuff that didn't get into another poll? why poll that?
― jed_, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link
they both have whiny singers, lyrics with odd metaphors, a sound somewhere between soft and hard rock, jangly guitars, and melancholic tunes.
this reads like an explanation from an alternate-universe Pandora.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VkkeV6Crdc
???
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
the last 2 suede albums were utter shite and Suede shouldn't be judged by them.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
That's the only Pandora I know.
tuomas, here's an iconic earlyish REM song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47DYVhBgRmQ
here's an iconic early suede song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN5zcUrWrdY
i think ppl would agree that these are typical of each band's "classic" era...you really don't hear the difference.
you kinda sound like those ppl that say "Oh all this hippity hoppity stuff sounds the same...Wu-Tang Clan...Snoop Doggy Dogg, it all sounds the same"
― the Rob Based god (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link
33= Wilco - Summerteeth (1999)62 points5 votes0 first-place votesGreatest contributor: monster_xero
http://www.albumoftheyear.org/album/covers/summerteeth.jpg
summerteeth is a shiny, great pop album (mostly) with really interesting production and great songs. being there is good but still too rooted in classic rock for me. I don't think they've topped summerteeth and doubt they ever will.
― akm, Thursday, 21 June 2007 04:05 (2 years ago)
Listen To "Summerteeth". It's far better than YHF.
― michael bourke, Thursday, 16 May 2002 01:00 (7 years ago)
God, Summerteeth was amazing, wasn't it?
― Beatrix Kiddo, Monday, 15 June 2009 13:36 (10 months ago)
I haven't heard YHF but Summerteeth is a brilliant record. Tweedy = v. good songwriter for damn sure
― electric sound of jim, Thursday, 16 May 2002 01:00 (7 years ago)
Summerteeth gets better every time I listen to it. It has the undercurrent of impending chaos I look for in music (mmmmmmmm...chaos)
― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Thursday, 10 June 2004 18:12 (5 years ago)
I think Tweedy's voice is beautiful on YHF. It does have a more hoarse sound than usual, but it sounds so sad and wracked with emotion. It's a good album, but Summerteeth is the masterpiece. "She's a Jar" alone can justify the existence of indie MOR. Hooray for Wilco.
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 16 December 2002 00:43 (7 years ago)
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Summerteeth is the only Wilco album to which I'm severely underexposed (I think I've only heard it all the way through once).
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I commend Tuomas for at least making it known that he's got trouble grasping the differences between two bands like R.E.M. and Suede, because I sure as hell couldn't tell you what's so different about, say, Justus Köhncke and Vladislav Delay, though I'm sure a trained ear could tell them apart immediately.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
no-one going to embed 'so weit wie noch nie' and 'anima' then?
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
geez don't you know the difference between justus kohncke and jurgen paape
― second toughest in the internets (another al3x), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link
haaaa shit yes
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh I hate that Hole album. actually I hate most of the Hole catalog apart from the first one. a blight upon our cultural landscape, that woman.
No one ever talks about the beats on Dr. Octagon. It's Kut Masta Kurt right? That guy's awesome.
uh, this post is a joke, right?
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link
seem to remember i had the kohncke album in 2005 or so but i can't remember anything about it, other than it didn't sound like vladislav delay
i know jf was only employing them as two random placeholders but i'd guess that formally there usually wd be greater difference between two given 'electronic' tracks than two alt-rock tracks but the latter may appear more different because of extra-musical associations, which tuomas would not have
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link
That's my point, though. I can recognize the differences while listening (Köhncke is a little organically "funky" iirc), though in the grand scheme it all blurs together. That's how I presume most '90s guitar rock (or guitar rock in general) comes across to Tuomas.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link
kohncke/delay wd be like suede/royal trux, which i guess tuomas could tell apart?
― nakhchivan, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link
I just had to go back and give myself a Delay refresher, and I think I was thinking more of the Luomo stuff. The music recorded under his own stagename is definitely more deconstructed than I remembered it being.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link
I was away from my laptop when Paradise of East Africa placed. Pretty much ebullient vocals and sinuous guitars front to back. It's crime that this is now out of print, but digital copies seem to be floating around. So who gave it the other ten points? I thought for sure that I'd be the only person voting for this one.
― random non sequitur (KMS), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link
outdoorminer was your compadre there.
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Last one for tonight...
31 Super Furry Animals - Guerrilla (1999)65 points2 votes1 first-place voteGreatest contributor: useless chamber
http://www.thomasthetaff.com/welshbands/superfurryanimals/pictures/A04a-Guerrilla.JPG
I'm from Texas. Guerrilla is the album that did it for me. Absolutely ingenious.
― enjoy bell woods (sjjd111), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 18:32 (4 years ago)
Guerrilla is amazing. I frequently see it in throw-out bins for three bucks. I can't believe it doesn't MOVE.
― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 01:13 (4 years ago)
whats your favorite album by these welsh people?mine is guerrilla
― Dude (The Yellow Dart), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 05:10 (6 years ago)
wow what a hideous cover
― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
hahahaha shit
― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link
I've just looked at my final tally and it turns out