FREEFORM 1990's ALTERNATIVE ALBUM POLL - THE RECKONING (TOP TEN COUNTING DOWN NOW)

ok nobody wants to talk about Mobb Deep? very well. Suede!

SUEEEEDE

AWESOME, FINALLY

damn this rock biased poll

once again kudos to Rev for throwing together a rap canon ballot at the last minute to help records like The Infamous out.

w/o Rev and Helg it would have been =99th

This poll is making me feel really good about the fairly small amount of rap I actually have in my collection. I own all the choices that have appeared so far.

smdh

HE'S DEAD IS AMAZING OH SHIT

I thought this was all the song title.

Infamous = awesome album, totally deserves this placement. My only hip hop vote went to Black Moon which I don't suppose will place.

No one ever talks about the beats on Dr. Octagon. It's Kut Masta Kurt right? That guy's awesome.

>>Lots of people do actually... me being one of them. And it was Dan The Automator.

LOL me. I was kind of conflating it w/Masters Of Illusion which has Keith, is full of awesome Kut Masta Kurt beats and is never talked about. And KMK does have beats on Octagon. I only started listening to both of these records in 2006 so the Dan The Automator aspect is not really lodged in my memory as an event.

Dr. Octagon MADE Dan the Automator's career - which, unfortunately, turned out to be a lot of garbage. Considering that Keith went on to make a number of great records with Kut Masta Kurt (who, yes, also DOES have beats on Dr. Octagon) like Sex Style, Black Elvis, Spankmaster, etc. it's always kinda annoyed me that Dan gets so much credit for Dr. Octagon. Dude is a hack, through and through.

Have not liked any other Dan The A records I have heard besides Octagon, actually. Too cute. Need to get those other Keith albums bcuz of how much I love Masters Of Illusion...

man i'm glad mobb made it.

i did a small list because i wanted to give my votes impact...

which meant cutting out a lot of great hip hop, i could have easily just done 10 rap records

I'm now realizing U.S. Maple is not going to place, and since I feel they are the greatest rock band I ever saw in my lifetime I kinda wish I would just done all 200 of my points to Talker

29 Jane's Addiction - Ritual De Lo Habitual (1990)
72 points
4 votes
1 first-place vote
Greatest contributor: Ismael Klata

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3065/2560112592_458ec597ec.jpg?v=0

'Ritual' is so far beyond 'Nothing's Shocking' it's ridiculous. I liked 'NS' but after 'Ritual' cam out I never saw the need to listen to it ever again. 'Ritual' on the other hand - drug decay, drug euphoria, sex decay, sex euphoria, voodoo, child abuse, childlike wonder, Dave Navarro in a should-have-retired-immediately-after performance (in which obviously something told him that the band had to justify their existence musically like yesterday, and did it), shrimps, deserted beachfront hotels, urinalysis, Ian Dury, and lasty but not least, kleptomania! The only thing better than "Three Days" is the fact that "Been Caught Stealing" comes before it and "Then She Did" comes after! One of my desert island picks.

― dave q, Monday, 1 July 2002 01:00 (7 years ago)

the second half of _Ritual..._ is brilliant, the first half isn't. It's decent, but it really sounds... I don't know, ingenuine? Like a different band? There's just something odd about how those songs fit together that doesn't quite sit right with me. HOWEVER, the last four songs are just brutally wonderful and far more cohesive than almost any other sequence of songs I can think of

― Dan Perry, Monday, 1 July 2002 01:00 (7 years ago)

they made prog rock sexy psychedelic and gay. actually i'm not sure what i'm saying there. but i liked them at the time (high school/college) and they sounded really fresh which must count for something.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 16 January 2006 03:50 (4 years ago)

Are you (still?) in Rochester, Ian? What do you say we ditch these clowns and go listen to Ritual somewhere?

― Sundar (sundar), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:21 (4 years ago)

Ritual every time. One of the most important passages of music in my life and beautiful on so many levels.

― Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 24 July 2003 09:15 (6 years ago)

I just remember this album as one long brilliant song. I'm not sure I think of any other album in this way, actually.

― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 21 December 2008 19:37 (1 year ago)

Side 2 of Ritual is the sound of art-damaged, drug-blasted rockers cutting loose from their moorings and setting sail for the moon.

― stevo, Monday, 1 July 2002 01:00 (7 years ago)

Yeah!

get in there

I still think the sequencing of the second half of this album is some next-level platonic ideal of album sequencing.

Dan Perry has posted quite a lot about this album. About this album's second half. About the three-track run from heaven. I'm going to have to give it a listen...I've seen these guys live and they rocked VERY hard. I think I DID listen to RDLH but wasn't really concentrating.

LOL XPOST

HAHAHAHA

I mean I'm giving serious credence to Dan because All Flesh Is Grass and the middle four tracks of Pornography really ARE all that

You know, I was thinking that "Of Course" was not equal to "Three Days" and "Then She Did..." but I just had the chorus pop into my head and um it is pretty much impossible for me to pick between those three songs, which might seriously be my favorite run of music of any genre of all time with the POSSIBLE exception of movements II - VI of the Brahms Requiem and "The Hanging Garden" through "A Strange Day" on Pornography.

― ^likes black girls (HI DERE), Friday, 19 December 2008 18:27 (1 year ago)

I think I voted for that, but due to my ludicrous initial ballot (with non-integral point values) that LJ didn't accept (grrr) I'm not sure if it made the actual ballot. In any case I've gone from loving it around 1990, to indifference for a number of years, back to appreciating it again.

You gave me a revised ballot! It got one point. Lifting it above Mobb Deep.

Now listening to Three Days, like a good pollster. It's already ace.

I can't believe this album wasn't on the original poll.

yeah Side 2 of Ritual is really perfect, they were right to break up afterwards.

like, there's nowhere to go from there, ultimate statement has been made

I will admit to liking a shit-ton of Kettle Whistle.

Well, there *was* a reunion album...

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Here's where I recommend Whores: An Oral Biography Of Jane's Addiction as really fun to read aloud from whenever guests are over. Especially the transcriptions of P. Farrell stage banter.

While as a rule I don't think bands should break up because of reaching their perfect moment, this was a case where it made total sense.

no Eric Avery = no "reunion". He is not on anything released post Ritual.

can not listen to this JA album anymore - it has been played to death (some of that is thanks to me, some by everyone else on the planet)

oh man yeah Perry's stage banter is high-larious

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The looped yelping sample of Perry F going 'Yeahhh...Yeahhh' underneath Navarro heroics + that rhythm-section = XDDDDD

Farrell's stage-chat in London was pretty funny. Made out like London could be his 'adopted city'.

"what's up bitches? I like your drinking and I like your style."

like its kind of weird how instantly i recoil from it, its not a bad album at all - it was just so everyone everywhere at a key point in my music listening that i just cant even handle thinking about it without it grating on me. which i never really feel about anything else i used to like, idk, special case i guess.

xxpoststs

Anyway Dan, I can think of another band who went out on top, that you will be happy to see more of in this poll.

28 Mr Bungle - Disco Volante (1995)
74 points
4 votes
1 first-place vote
Greatest contributor: m the g

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Disco Volante amazing-but only for the brave.

― fytyhr, Thursday, 22 May 2003 18:11 (6 years ago)

Disco Volante is MONSTROUSLY AWESOME.

― marmotwolof, Friday, 13 July 2007 21:11 (2 years ago)

It's one of those Trout Mask things where after you listen to it about 15 times it goes from "huh?" to "best shit ever."

― marmotwolof, Friday, 13 July 2007 21:14 (2 years ago)

yeah, I don't know if I would have ever got into avant shit without Disco Volante as an entry point!

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 01:49 (1 year ago)

oh fuck I DREAMT ABOUT DISCO VOLANTE LAST NIGHT, i dreamt that i was living in a computer game based upon the album. it was one of the coolest dreams i've ever had.

tonight i shall listen to the album again.

― Just got offed, Saturday, 14 July 2007 20:49 (2 years ago)

Ah yes, Disco Volante, that nightmarish-ever-shifting-soundscape, one of the most challenging (and rewarding) 60+ minutes of music ever compiled together. Hard to listen to, but well, well worth it. IMHO, of course.

― nickalicious, Monday, 4 November 2002 21:55 (7 years ago)

given that disco volante is towards the upper third of my top three albums of all time, I'm guessing I might squeeze it in somewhere...

― m the g, Friday, 12 March 2010 20:54 (1 month ago)

I actually own Disco Volante, and whoo boy does it suck!

― Tuomas, Thursday, 29 April 2010 16:21 (5 days ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmvG2GZ3S7o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uj4Q4zbtfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z48rC3-4xM

just for jjj

xp: ^_^

Am about halfway through And She Did... now and yeah, basically, yeah.

ok bungle beating ritual = this is the best poll ever

yeah, but the next entry is going to be the Smart-Es album

I only gave DV four points, but that still put it as high as 12th on my ballot. Am glad others saw fit to unload a few more than that. It's fucking AMAZING.

loooool Dan

When you're done listen to Judas Priest's "Victim of Changes" and see if you can spot all the inspirations.

xpost to all the people revisiting the second half of the deserving Ritual

Good to hear these Jane's tracks again, many years down the line. This was a staple of my teenage listening; opened many, many doors to new stuff. Should probably repurchase for a few bucks. Will remedy soon.

re: "Of Course" and the violin on it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Bisharat

wau at this dude's credits, he basically needs a sign that says "will violin for food"

Dan's kinda following my listening-pattern here...I was *just* thinking 'whoa violin'

lol, I am just guessing where you are based on the running times of the songs and making comments

surprised that post wasn't 'It's like slapping yourself in the faaaaace'

Perry Farrell doesn't have the world's most pleasant voice, but the way he uses it on those three songs is unbelievably awesome. I don't think anyone else can sing them and have the same impact.

I quite like his voice. It's whiny and desperate and sordid and somewhat ratty, in the best possible way.