FREEFORM 1990's ALTERNATIVE ALBUM POLL - THE RECKONING (TOP TEN COUNTING DOWN NOW)

Biggie is amazing, he's just not a personal favorite.

The next album is SPECIAL, because it's the last album none of whose votes guaranteed it a place in the top 100

as in, nobody except me KNOWS it's about to appear!

18 Autechre - LP5 (1998)
87 points
7 votes
1 first-place vote
Greatest contributor: another al3x

http://www.kompaktkiste.de/cd/warp/warpcd66.jpg

fucking classic

― cutty, Saturday, 10 November 2007 13:34 (2 years ago)

Maybe my favourite IDM album.

― the next grozart, Sunday, 11 November 2007 06:20 (2 years ago)

Fold 4, Wrap5 is what time travel sounds like. Brilliant.

― Loader, Saturday, 10 November 2007 18:12 (2 years ago)

autechre would've been godhead if they retired after LP5.
LP5 would've been pristine if not for the hidden track.

― Sir Leee (Leee), Monday, 29 September 2003 22:48 (6 years ago)

I think, as an album, my pick for moving electronic music would be Autechre's LP5.

A thesis could be written on this album! It’s totally pure computer music. It’s faceless and inhuman, but at the same time darkly emotional. The CD artwork communicates this feeling too. If you listen to it alone late at night you feel like Autechre is a computer struggling to communicate with you.

― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:42 (5 years ago)

autechre, LP5, on a decent soundsystem or good headphones, with acid or mushrooms. you won't believe your ears....

― heywood jablomi (heywood), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 22:56 (5 years ago)

having said that, i just stuck on lp5 and half of it is straight electro bangers in a leaner gescom style, and the rest is big simple bewitching toybox melodies and then 'rae', the soppiest ballad they ever did.

― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:30 (2 years ago)

i mean, fuck, they're basically total b-boys at the end of the day.

― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:34 (2 years ago)

like, I'm never going to argue with anyone who says he's the best of all-time because he deserves serious consideration for it, whereas I love my own personal fave to likely unreasonable heights but I could see why ppl wouldn't put him on the list

(Q-Tip)

yeah, i dunno, man the whole "Greatest MC" thing is tough...there's so many brilliant MCs it's hard for me to pick one

yeah, also true; so many ppl doing wildly different things, it's hard to compare them

xpost

back to Biggie...that's why I think he's the only one where the violence in his stuff, esp. against women actually can BOTHER me...like with Jay and Nas I just feel like the humans are chess pieces in the rhyme....with Biggie there's a genuine hurt and anger that's disturbing at times.

18 Autechre - LP5 (1998)
87 points
7 votes
1 first-place vote
Greatest contributor: another al3x

http://www.kompaktkiste.de/cd/warp/warpcd66.jpg

fucking classic

― cutty, Saturday, 10 November 2007 13:34 (2 years ago)

Maybe my favourite IDM album.

― the next grozart, Sunday, 11 November 2007 06:20 (2 years ago)

Fold 4, Wrap5 is what time travel sounds like. Brilliant.

― Loader, Saturday, 10 November 2007 18:12 (2 years ago)

autechre would've been godhead if they retired after LP5.
LP5 would've been pristine if not for the hidden track.

― Sir Leee (Leee), Monday, 29 September 2003 22:48 (6 years ago)

I think, as an album, my pick for moving electronic music would be Autechre's LP5.

A thesis could be written on this album! It’s totally pure computer music. It’s faceless and inhuman, but at the same time darkly emotional. The CD artwork communicates this feeling too. If you listen to it alone late at night you feel like Autechre is a computer struggling to communicate with you.

― Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:42 (5 years ago)

autechre, LP5, on a decent soundsystem or good headphones, with acid or mushrooms. you won't believe your ears....

― heywood jablomi (heywood), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 22:56 (5 years ago)

having said that, i just stuck on lp5 and half of it is straight electro bangers in a leaner gescom style, and the rest is big simple bewitching toybox melodies and then 'rae', the soppiest ballad they ever did.

― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:30 (2 years ago)

i mean, fuck, they're basically total b-boys at the end of the day.

― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:34 (2 years ago)

― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Thursday, 6 May 2010 16:44 (6 minutes ago)

lol

post it again, I don't think anyone noticed

So good it deserves to be posted twice

Life After Death- It really is on another level. Top 10 albums of all time. It's not even perfect, but the highs are so good that you can deal with boring 112 songs or whatever.

Somebody's Gotta Die is such a perfect way to start the album. Like I said w/ Reasonable Doubt - he potentially throws it all away just to avenge his man. But it's not just that, I don't think anyone else did off the cuff characterisation as Big did, 'see niggas like you do ten year bids, miss the nigga they want, murder innocent kids' and then to pull it around with Jason holding his daughter as a shield. It's fucking epic, it's fucking scary. No other gangster rap was so personal. I mean sure this was post 'lol i'm 2pac and i've called you fat and i had sex w/ faith lol' but Big was saying he doesn't care about the situation, he is ruthless. It's fucking scary and this is even in a complete song w/ lols and punclines (dreaming of how to sell records like snoop, oops!)

But fuck it, y'all prefer Vast Aire for being the second best mc in CoFlow. It's like preferring Juno to a Heat/Godfather 2 double bill. Taking myself out of the alternative 90s 100 before I sb everyone.

xpost Sorry LJ i got shit to say.

and back to Nas for a minute:

I always thought this "diss" from The Takeover by Jay actually kinda summed up what I loved about Nas:

Nigga; you ain't live it you witnessed it from your folks pad
You scribbled in your notepad and created your life

that's how I imagine Nas, a weird quiet kid living in QB that didn't really roll with the hardrocks but just sat back and watched, committing the whole scene to memory, then spit it back as these fracture, poetic pictures of that life that meant more and said more about it than anything that the guys who actually lived through it could say

whoa, he's trying to simulate Autechre's music in his postings, via recursion!

xp

yay autechre

Well, yeah, I haven't even heard Vast Aire's solo stuff, but on the Cannibal Ox album he certainly impressed me more than Biggie ever has.

― Tuomas, Thursday, May 6, 2010 3:36 PM (13 minutes ago)

i am caught halfway between lololololol and O_O xposts

lp5 has been sat on my harddrive for about a year now unlistened, may check it out :)

(is it weird that that LP5 came out at the height of my IDM fandom and I never bothered getting it?)

actually given time to reflect i have settled into t (o _ O t)

it's cool, just tryin' to keep control

proceed with the biggie talk, it's illuminating

as a dude that should be hardwired to like autechre, i have never been able to even slightly care about their stuff. i do not know why.

LP5 is great and seems to always get mentioned as their definitive album but it's not Autechre's best IMO

great set of posts there, M@tt

I've still only got Confield, which is awesome

16 of my picks have made it i think so far

the way this thread is going, somc hotshot young DJ will mix Biggie's raps over Autechre

'somc'

^o look i just invented an autechre songtitle

LP5 is great and seems to always get mentioned as their definitive album but it's not Autechre's best IMO

Tri Repetae made the original 90s poll iirc, and that'll always be my favourite.

I really feel like every male MC on the Bad Boy label except Biggie and Craig Mack has floated dangerously near the line of total abject stupidity.

i am still stuck on the fact that the dude who has been complaining about lack of hip hop and dance representation in this poll just popped up after biggie showed up w/ "you know whos awesome? that fat dude from can ox!"

I really feel like every male MC on the Bad Boy label except Biggie and Craig Mack has floated dangerously near the line of total abject stupidity.

this is a foregone conclusion in my mind. Puffy has so much to answer for.

i am still stuck on the fact that the dude who has been complaining about lack of hip hop and dance representation in this poll just popped up after biggie showed up w/ "you know whos awesome? that fat dude from can ox!"

― HUMAN VELOCIPEDE (jjjusten), Thursday, 6 May 2010 17:01 (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lolololololololololololololololololol

rip shyne

so much talent, so much more time in jail forgotting how to rap

also special delivery was dope right? really the first of the 00 dancing kids videos.

i can't really say fuck puffy like i can't really say fuck westwood these days but i think its been said enough in my past to compensate.

black rob was good

I really feel like every male MC on the Bad Boy label except Biggie and Craig Mack has floated dangerously near the line of total abject stupidity.

― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Thursday, May 6, 2010 11:59 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

as far as solo rappers they've been spotty at best but Bad Boy's had tons of talented rappers signed as groups: The Lox, 8Ball & MJG, Boyz N Da Hood, even Da Band had some decent MCs

so glad my #1 made the top 20, and i'm really hoping another of my choices will make it. lets hope post-this album craziness and shittiness didn't put everyone else off voting for it.

did 8ball&mjg ever actually release a record on bad boy?

I really don't get the amount of hate not being in love with Biggie seems to inspire... Sure, I recognize Biggie's talent, and I have no problem when people call him one of the greatest MC of all time. But on a personal level his lyrics, his subjects, his beats, don't inspire me or relate with me in a way people like, say, Cannibal Ox or Cee-Lo (own his solo albums) do. (And I just named those because of Shakey's "fat rappers" comment.) To me this "best MC of all time" game some rap fans enjoy playing is a bit silly; as if admitting that someone is among the best MCs ever automatically means that you must also love his music more than other rappers'. There's more to rap than just MC skills - someone like Boot Riley might not be considered to be on the same level as a MC as Biggie, but personally what he says, the viewpoints he takes in his lyrics vibe with me much more than Biggie does. To make a comparison: I'm sure someone like Eric Clapton is among the greatest electric guitarists of all time, but his music is still much less interesting to me than the music of some "lesser" guitarists.

(Loads of typos in that post, but you get my point.)

did 8ball&mjg ever actually release a record on bad boy?

― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, May 6, 2010 12:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

2 albums, one of them went gold

the point is tuomas you were the one hectoring everyone and being like "FOR SHAME FOR SHAME THERE'S TOO MUCH INDIE ROCK AND NOT ENOUGH HIP HOP", and then it's kinda funny when you come in and rep for some kinda corny shit over Biggie

i don't care who ppl think is the greatest, or that this poll should be anything other than a bunch of random records ppl liked...

i just realized that HI DERE and i could have formed an alliance and catapulted several insane clown posse albums to the top of this poll

calling 8ball and MJG a Bad Boy act seems kinda wrong to me tho

yeah more and more i'm wishing i'd devoted half my points to something that would make a mockery of this whole enterprise (xpost)

To make a comparison: I'm sure someone like Eric Clapton is among the greatest electric guitarists of all time

Clapton sucks

i just realized that HI DERE and i could have formed an alliance and catapulted several insane clown posse albums to the top of this poll

I also had this realization

i just realized that HI DERE and i could have formed an alliance and catapulted several insane clown posse albums to the top of this poll

I hope you're trying to throw us off the scent and you truly did this.

they fall pretty well into the category of "every MC on the Bad Boy label" whether it seems wrong to you or not