FREEFORM 1990's ALTERNATIVE ALBUM POLL - THE RECKONING (TOP TEN COUNTING DOWN NOW)

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4 The Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun (1999 OR 2000 but please don't vote for it in the 00's poll now)
166 points
8 votes
0 first-place votes
Greatest contributor: monster_xero

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/newsun.jpg

Actually, the songs on VCN do change, as do the melodic motives. They do so subtly, over time, much like a lot of minimalist pieces and electronic dance music (not to mention krautrock, some of Miles Davis' fusion stuff, Indian classical music, et al). Obv, they are not "songs" in the same sense pop songs are, nor are they lengthy symphonic pieces. By the same token, they are not monolithic. One could argue the beat in thousands of pop songs never changes, yet they are hardly "going nowhere". The beat, in the case of VCN, is mostly rooted in 4-on-the-floor disco pulse, though what happens on top of it is almost constantly changing. And even then, it is the *tempo* which does not change, rather than the beat, as VCN features very clear transitions from disco-oriented pulse to motorik beat (which lines up in tempo, but is an altogether different rhthmic pattern).

― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:44 (4 years ago)

I think VCN 'climaxes' at points too, but it's a more subtle climax. A female orgasm to Phish's male one, perhaps?

― Keith C (kcraw916), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:05 (4 years ago)

gareth texted me last week saying "download vision creation newsun by the boredoms, no questions, just do it!" btw

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 13:34 (5 years ago)

Vision Creation Newsun is the greatest record of this generation.

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (ex machina), Thursday, 8 April 2004 21:16 (6 years ago)

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

At some point, it was established we'd follow the 2000-04 poll with a 2005-09 poll and then poll the entire decade somewhere down the line (like, next year). xxxp

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah a decade poll seems better, but some want a 2004-2009 poll purely to exclude Kid A.
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pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

SHUT UP AND JAM

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks for the fresh cover art, plax.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

naw, not purely to exclude Kid A, but the early-2000s canon is so established and boring that it would be nice to let the decade's latter half get its shine on for a bit

el j debarge (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

aw man i woulda voted for that boredoms if i'd known it was eligible. Add 1 point folks!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Knew this was a sure thing for the poll.

emil.y, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

So happy The Boredoms have monstered the Top 10 you guys

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Okay, unfortunately I have to agree with Shakey on the quality of the top 10 so far.

Tuomas, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Tuomas that boredoms album is amazing.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Can we something else than "art rock" next, please?

Tuomas, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link

well I dig the Boredoms at least. altho two in the top 10 seems kinda overkill

the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link

We can, actually xp

Shakey, it might be a TAD overkill but not many people voted for both!

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

lol Tuomas the Boredoms are totally dance-y/trance-y especially the period nominated here. bears little to no resemblance to rock (well, krautrock maybe)

the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^otm

Biggest jump of the entire poll between 4 and 3 btw

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I think Tuomas doesn't like any kind of the many subgenres of rock. Except maybe for a tiny bit of 70s funk rock.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Shakey, it might be a TAD overkill but not many people voted for both!

― Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, May 7, 2010 10:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

woah what if Tad had joined Overkill....think about it.

the Rob Based god (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link

plaxico made it special just for this here poll. xxp

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk4daEiXlE8&feature=related

I dunno, seems like the kinda thing Tuomas would have an affinity for to me

the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

lol Tuomas the Boredoms are totally dance-y/trance-y especially the period nominated here. bears little to no resemblance to rock (well, krautrock maybe)

Okay, since I've never heard any Boredoms, I searched them on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sPxde77NRE

This certainly sounds like "art rock" to me. And if you actually want to dance to this sort of squeaky noise, good luck to you! Just because it has a semi-steady beat doesn't make it dancey.

Tuomas, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

(x-post)

Tuomas, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:43 (fourteen years ago) link

r u this boring to go clubbing w/ u dull pedant

plax (ico), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

People dance to all sorts of music, Tuomas. I'm sick of "dance" music having a monopoly on the name.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I dunno man it seems much more of a piece with the world of techno and dance music than rock to me. it has no guitars. it has no rock rhythms. it has no blues influence, no lyrics/vocals, no formal song structures. I mean what about this is "rock" in any way.

the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Sure, you can dance to metal or whatever, but I wouldn't call it "dancey".

Tuomas, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:45 (fourteen years ago) link

altho the track you posted is one of the more abrasive ones. Aphex Twin is pretty fucking abrasive tho

xp

the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link

this is all getting a bit geir-like

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:46 (fourteen years ago) link

3 The Breeders - Last Splash (1993)
196 points
7 votes
1 first-place vote
Greatest contributor: Fetchboy

http://onealbumaday.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/the-breeders-last-splash-album-cover.jpg

Too great an album for too many reasons.

I just thought I'd share some love for one of my favourites with all you.

― JesusMaryChain, Sunday, 15 February 2004 21:34 (6 years ago)

I wholly concur with the NME's assessment (from back in the day): "After a few beers, the Breeders are the best band in the world".

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 15 February 2004 23:59 (6 years ago)

i love this album so much... so left-handed, so half-finished, so off the cuff.

― stevie (stevie), Monday, 16 February 2004 16:46 (6 years ago)

every fucking song on this is monstrous.

EVERY FUCKING SONG

― Surmounter, Thursday, 20 September 2007 15:46 (2 years ago)

I think this album as a whole is my favorite female vocal performance, bar none.

― Granny Dainger, Friday, 21 September 2007 06:17 (2 years ago)

damn this is a good album

― stet, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 14:34 (1 year ago)

really it's a pretty much perfect album.

― verhexen, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 16:20 (1 year ago)

Check check check oooooh oooooooh
A oooooh ooooh, a oooooh oooooh, a
oooooh ooooooooh, a ooooooh ooooooh

- a hoy hoy

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link

voted VCN, but...

I think VCN 'climaxes' at points too, but it's a more subtle climax. A female orgasm to Phish's male one, perhaps?

― Keith C (kcraw916), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:05 (4 years ago)

YUCK can someone please tell me how to unread this comment...

v surprised two boredoms and autechre. i didn't vote for SR7 or amber.

rat fapper (another al3x), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link

HAPPY NOW, SHAKEY MO

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

altho the track you posted is one of the more abrasive ones. Aphex Twin is pretty fucking abrasive tho

Yeah, I pretty much hate all the people who do abrasive electronic music (Aphex included), because to me it sounds like electronic music made for metalheads or rock fans. Whereas the sort of electronic dance music I most love has its roots in disco/funk - it's all about the basslines, the hips. You can't dance to this Boredoms stuff with you hips - it's pogo music, moshing music, no sensuality. There's no sex in it.

Tuomas, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I think VCN 'climaxes' at points too, but it's a more subtle climax. A female orgasm to Phish's male one, perhaps?

― Keith C (kcraw916), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:05 (4 years ago)

ANYWAY LOOK IT'S THE BREEDERS

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link

THEY DID QUITE WELL DIDN'T THEY

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Flipped a coin, decided not to do a Mouse on Mars gag.

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess it depends on why you buy records. I typically don't dance at home (or at clubs either, for that matter... but I get why people do). I listen to musicians doing musical things. Not saying dance music architects aren't musicians, but the clubby stuff Tuomas tends to prefer doesn't lend itself easily to enjoyment for its own sake outside of a club setting... and that's probably why it doesn't show up in many ALBUM polls.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

i really hope aphex twin is #1 lol
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pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Ah, but that's the reason why I think Autoditacker was their finest hour - when they embraced that abrasive IDM/drill'n'bass sound, they went sour.

(x-post to Noodle)

Tuomas, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I think there should be a 90s SINGLES poll before a 2000-09/2004-09 poll

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

but the clubby stuff Tuomas tends to prefer doesn't lend itself easily to enjoyment for its own sake outside of a club setting... and that's probably why it doesn't show up in many ALBUM polls.

Eh? I know loads of people who listen to that sort of stuff at home too (including myself). If you love dance music, you don't want to listen to it only at clubs.

Tuomas, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I think most Trance is within a rizla of having fuck all to do with disco or funk btw

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link

HEY LOOK THE BREEDERS CAME THIRD

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

The problem with these huge theoretical edifices people construct to delimit their own personal taste is that the things end up being more hole than structure.

TBH LJ the Breeders fill me with shrug

Human Centipede Doherty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I haven't even heard The Breeders, lol

Mansun was where I fucked up (acoleuthic), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Trance is not my favourite music to dance to, it's true. I think the stereotypical galloping trance bass makes it hard to move your hips to it.

Tuomas, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

i like the breeders

plax (ico), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I haven't even heard The Breeders, lol

Me neither. Are they an indie band or something?

Tuomas, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I love The Breeders, Pod more than Last Splash, so good job voters!!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link


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