Loaded vs. American Beauty

i like jerry's voice and i'm not really a dead fan

he sounds sad and exhausted and makes me blue

hey its rough being a fat junkie

be nice

as the old saying goes, do not speak ill of The Dead
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lol maybe! i don't know too many fat junkies. to maintain that weight while being that high must've required some hard-core calorie cramming

shakey mo you rate graceland as a better album than american beauty

^he also rates it higher than fragile, close to the edge, funhouse, every vu album, and every other album that has been mentioned on this thread. I'll have some of what he's been smoking.

haha okay I don't rate it higher than EVERY Velvets album (forgot they had all been mentioned). Funhouse, eh its good and groundbreaking and scary and everything but I def. listen to Graceland more.

also I am almost out of what I have been smoking, sorry

basically if it contains Bob and Phil's shitty ass singing, I am turning it off

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Phil only sang one song his whole career!

sings plenty of backup tho, right?

Hold the presses. Phil sang more than one song.

"Pride of Cucamonga" is a fantastic tune.

According to Rock Scully's account,Jerry was living off of heroin and Skittles or something.

Yeah, man. Phil sings "Unbroken Chain" and some other things besides "Box."
He really has a hard time with it live, though. Didn't know he sang the lead on Box of Rain for a while, still sort of hard to believe.

Not long after 'Mars Hotel' Lesh's voice fell apart. He didn't sing for, like, six years something. He then underwent some surgery and started singing live again in the 80s, I believe.

when i saw the Dead in the 90s, Phil sang that Robbie Robertson song "Broken Arrow" which I think Rod Stewart had a hit with? Anyway, it was ok.

bob weir's live version of "good lovin" where he was wearing pedophile eyeglasses and a safari shirt and shorts on some live at winterland thing i saw on PBS was the most embarrassing live performance i have ever seen.

Bob would be in line for many of those, actually. The "Bobby Touch", so to speak.

To tell you the truth, Phil's vocal on the studio take of "Box" isnt exactly Sinatra either.

yeah but it has so much presence & feeling

I mean ppl reppin for Lou for God's sake Reed aren't really in a position to call out ppl for their singin'

just sayin'

bob weir's live version of "good lovin" where he was wearing pedophile eyeglasses and a safari shirt and shorts on some live at winterland thing i saw on PBS was the most embarrassing live performance i have ever seen.

but yeah some of the bob weir solo stuff I've heard curls my fucking toes. gimme a junkie over a cokehead any day of the week, thanks

yeah but it has so much presence & feeling

^agreed, it's imperfection works in its favor, definitely.

Lou's a great vocalist (when he was actually trying/had a voice, ie pre-1982 or so)

yes but he is a terrible singer - once you like the dead, jerry's a great vocalist, too, "vocalist" really only means "I buy into some/all of his schtick & have decided I like him" imo

I'm sorry, but I have to cut Phil all kinds of slack for "Box of Rain" since he wrote it during the time he was visiting his father who was dying of cancer. It resonates with me because I was doing the same thing for six months before I lost my father to cancer last July (not writing a song just visiting my dying father in the hospital). Now, all kinds of shit strikes me emotionally that I would have been able to laugh at or shrug off before my father passed away, and "Box of Rain" is one of those things.

bob weir's live version of "good lovin" where he was wearing pedophile eyeglasses and a safari shirt and shorts on some live at winterland thing i saw on PBS was the most embarrassing live performance i have ever seen.

u CANNOT knock bob's style! tempted to SB

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thought everyone should know that Steve Howe has a new album out. heard there's a stellar version of "(San Francisco) Giants Under the Sun".

just heard loaded for the first time and WOW ive never heard the velvets like this before

'i found a reason' is pretty much a grateful dead song, so i tip my lol to the OP

classic thread — here's this thing I just put together:
https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2020/08/10/unearthed-vol-11-unloaded/

Despite all the amputations,

lol

stoked to put this on right now, thanks for sharing

moe singing on "rock & roll" !!!

haha, yeah i love that version

"lonesome cowboy bill" intro:

"Oh yeah I wrote it, buuueeeegggghhhhhhhhhhh ... it's pretty new."

actually Jim Carroll blabbing into the tape there (from the max's LP)

oh that's right !

I heard both american beauty and workingman’s deadso many damn times growing up that for a long time afterwards I just couldn’t really *hear* them, iykwim. WD has thawed for me but I just never have any desire to listen to AB, the well worn grooves are too deep or something

loaded was the last VU album I got and yeah the other three had such distinct sonic/aesthetic identities that it was kind of a bummer that the fourth one was just a plain ol 1970 laid back rock record but it still jams, like it better these days but I’m pretty sure “who loves the sun” can take a hike

I think AB is definitely the better record but nothing on loaded makes my skin crawl like “candy man”

weird comparison, even if i like both albums.

there's nothing as potent as "box of rain" on loaded, but if we're picking which one we prefer, i'd probably go with loaded. hard choice though.

I've gotten to know American Beauty better since I opted for Loaded on the strength of three songs. There are more songs on American Beauty that I like...but it'd still be impossible to opt for it over those three songs (the two most obvious + "Oh! Sweet Nuthin'").