Going To Law School

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Lately I've been working with a blind woman who is taking the LSAT on, what, next Saturday. Kaplan has been giving her a terrible time, and is next to useless (and seemingly proud of it) for blind people. That's sad but not surprising at all; what is surprising is that LSAC or whatever the group is that puts on the test has also been very difficult for her to work with. They are willing to pay so little to hire a qualified reader for the day of the test that she has been bumped around to several different schools now, and finally is taking the test at a school that is willing to take the financial hit and still administer the test properly and fairly. But that school is an hour away. Bah.

Anyway, so I've been reading for her, and it's been interesting, since I do very well at it -- I mean I'm not entirely sure, since she gets double time because she has to hear it instead of read it, and I keep forgetting that I'd have to work everything out twice as fast. Still, the fact that I'd probably do very well on the test makes me think I should take the test -- and yet I have no interest in going to law school.

Doing logic games when you have almost no eyesight and can't read your diagrams reliably is no fun at all.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 24 September 2005 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Basically the same thing has happened to me -- not the reading to a blind woman part, of course. But my gf was preparing, and for fun I looked at the material myself. Turns out I'm a natural at it and I was able to get a 169 on a practice test without too much practice. So now even though lawyer is one of the last things I thought I want to be, I'm suddenly thinking I should go to law school -- you know, be financially set, have a stimulating job, and maybe even work for some kind of political or social change (though going into law school without full conviction you want to do that seems pretty much like facing Darth Vader without completing your Jedi training).

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:12 (eighteen years ago) link

i did fine on the practice lsats but i got a little panicky on test day and didn't do that well. also, i was hung over. i was concentrating on my nausea instead of the questions. i'd like to take it again sometime; i haven't completely given up on wanting to go to law school.

the happy smile patrol (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah everyone on the noize bored will eventually end up going. i'm applying to teach for america also, just in case. or if i get into that and i get into a school i want, i might defer. the future is wide open, you know.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link

ah, you kids. so innocent.

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 September 2005 03:22 (eighteen years ago) link

jon williams, esq.?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 25 September 2005 03:47 (eighteen years ago) link

As per Cozen, I'm constantly atonished at the gulf of difference b/w law school in the U.S and er any Imperial Dominion. Come to Australia! It's cheap and (comparatively) easy!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 25 September 2005 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Are you saying that Cozen isn't really all that?

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 25 September 2005 06:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i think we get paid more in the US, though?

cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 25 September 2005 10:57 (eighteen years ago) link

£25k per week?

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 September 2005 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

admittedly the top 80hr week lawyers!

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 September 2005 11:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I dread to think what lawyers earn in america

if only my knowledge were transferable, I'd maybe move

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 25 September 2005 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

ok i took the LSAT this morning. it's very possible that i got a 170, but i feel like i'm jinxing it. when the score comes in 3 weeks i might be really sad and embarassed. but i actually finished the entire analytical reasoning section (only guessing on a few), which i didn't do on any practice test i took in the last week, and i got 165, 166, and 169 on them. so i guess now i have to write some personal statements. i don't know what to write about. i haven't encountered any adversity or anything...

for now i think i'm definitely applying to george washington, u. of washington, ohio state, boston university, and u. of michigan. i'm still thinking about this, though. if i did very well on the LSAT i will apply to NYU and berkeley, but i feel like my chances of getting into either of them are pretty bad. i'm also pretty worried about financing this venture. i want to do something public interest-y like human rights or poverty, but i might leave with a buttload of loans and have to defend fat rich guys for 10 years while i pay $1000/month. i don't mind at all being poor as long as i'm not in debt. this sucks.

sorry for making this my personal law school application diary, i just want the internet to know.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Saturday, 1 October 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
Oh lordy, I'm startin' to think about doing this next year, cause gosh I'm awful good at these standardized tests it turns out, and well ya see the band might not quite be workin' out wouldn'tcha know...

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 6 February 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
i am getting scared guys

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Friday, 7 July 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

oh noes

Arial Pink (account), Friday, 7 July 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

DON'T DO IT

RJG (RJG), Friday, 7 July 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

ok thanks friends

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Friday, 7 July 2006 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

am i the only one going to medical school around here??

gbx (skowly), Friday, 7 July 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

best advice i got the summer before law school - "go to the beach; have fun." you want to make sure you have all your practicalities locked down, but don't let that eat all your time.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 7 July 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

so i'm considering law school down the line, but i really want to get a good look at the profession through paralegal work. I've submitted resumes/interviewed in the non-profit sector, but i think it might be worthwhile to see the ugly side of things (Big Law).

where do they usually list jobs (nyc). obv, i haven't seen any listings on idealist.org. any help would be greatly appreciated.

eisbar and others seemed to make it seem like the jobs aren't too hard to find.

one six oh (one six oh), Friday, 14 July 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

They're not. Don't look for a listing -- just send out resumes.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks, i'll start researching the firms.

colin, from what you've posted it's sounds like the experience of paralegal work will turn me off the profession, but it seems worth a look.

i still can't quite wrap my head around why the big firms are so awful, but i don't doubt the claims

one six oh (one six oh), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Have you ever worked in corporate America? Just out of curiosity.

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

They're awful for a lot of reasons. For one, it's nearly impossible to do good legal work there because of time, financial, and social (to the extent that that word can apply to big firm lawyers) pressures; for another, you soon find you've entered a really sick pseudo-culture where standard rules of morality, efficiency, and reason do not apply.

But if you wanna check it out, go for it. The money's ok.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

all grad school is an analysis of cost benefit analysis - its an investment that will only pay off if your student loans are able to be managed by your post graduation salary - but then agin if you find you hate the work you are SCREWED!!!!!!!!


Have you been lobbying any lawmakers on this?

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Take a LONG, HARD, REALISTIC look before you sign that promissory note.

I don't necessarily dislike the nature of the work, but the profession itself and the money that most of us have to pay to gain entree thereto are both serious, serious downsides.

The tip about going to a law school where you want to live? Unless you go to UVa, G-town, Harvard, Stanford, Yale, et al., that is the absolute truth. I just moved to LA after going to Catholic in DC, and I am not looking forward to months of trying to find a job. Thank god I have a gainfully employed spouse.

Big Loud Ape Mountain (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Apparently, I am down on the whole law school thing. Shocka!

Big Loud Ape Mountain (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't really come across too many who are "up" on it.

xpost i haven't worked in corporate america, i spent my last three yeare teaching in the south bronx in the new york city teaching fellows. i needed a change. i imagine this will be a schockingly drastic one.

one six oh (one six oh), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Good idea to check it out in a para position before committing the time and $$$ to something you may or may not care for. I came out of grad school (molecular bioscience stuff) thinking I'd just go to law school and be a patent lawyer. Had the good sense to actually listen to parents (for once) and work in the IP dept of a big pharma company before making a decision. HATED IT. Will never work in IP or big pharma again! So yeah really check it out.

My better half (Mr. Que) works in the library of a large DC firm. He likes it, but would never ever ever consider law as a career. Anyhow you might want to look into law library jobs--there seem to be a lot of them, even for newbies.

quincie (quincie), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

What grade/subject did you teach? I applied to do that, but they didn't accept me. *sob*

Haha, Q, I never heard that story:)

Mary (Mary), Friday, 14 July 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, Q. What firm does he work for? You can give me a general area of the city, if you like...I used to be a legal assistant for one of the firms near Metro Center.

Big Loud Ape Mountain (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Friday, 14 July 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe the Mountain Goats should write a song called "Going to Law School" - ya know? (Bonfire of the Vanities influence - whaddaya, etc.)

youn (youn), Friday, 14 July 2006 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost-

8th grade english.

the first year was hell, but i really enjoyed the other two.

one six oh (one six oh), Monday, 17 July 2006 04:20 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
guys i don't really like it there. it's full of barbies and proud swaggering guys in polo shirts. i don't think i'm going to make any friends. i don't even like following laws.

nazi bikini (harbl), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

TOLD YA SO!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

also it was only the first day of orientation :((((((((

nazi bikini (harbl), Thursday, 17 August 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

law is totally gay

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Thursday, 17 August 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, well, welcome to law school. but there are cool law students and cool lawyers to be found, and you're gonna have to see these people for the next three years, so i'd consider trying to do one or more of:
a) suss out the cool ones fast and attach yourself
b) find a support community outside of school
c) buy some polo barbie clothes

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 17 August 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

bundgee i think the problem is how totally nongay all these people are

i will do a and b but c is out of the question

nazi bikini (harbl), Thursday, 17 August 2006 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Strange synchronicity -- I've been thinking about L-school as a potential 3-year plan because I read somewhere that a guy with a JD once was the boss at Marvel. (Also, I took a GMAT practice test and bombed the "data sufficiency" section, I hate business, and I really really rilly don't want to go to business school.)

I hear copyright law is exciting and intellectually fulfilling.

c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 17 August 2006 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't even like following laws.

Perfect lawyer material, then!

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 17 August 2006 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

we got a big lecture about how alcoholic and/or mentally ill lawyers are compared to the general population and how we should SEEK HELP IMMEDIATELY

nazi bikini (harbl), Thursday, 17 August 2006 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

which will you be then? alcoholic or mentally ill?? did they give a meth addict option?

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 17 August 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i know people who made it through law school and didn't become mental or drug/alcohol addicted. but they watched A LOT of tv in their down time.

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 17 August 2006 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i call them nerds.

(haha. okay, kidding. they drank a lot of beer and coffee too.)

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Thursday, 17 August 2006 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost yeah they gave me a big locker to keep my mini meth lab in

"i don't have a tv" but i'm afraid i won't want to do pleasure reading anymore (which keeps me from wanting to die or do meth). but i'm not sure how much of horror stories i should believe.

also gabnebb or someone else? let's say i want to be a labor lawyer (partly because i care about the workers but partly because i would make slightly more money at it (right?) than poverty lawyering, which i am also interested in but i have mad loans to pay off and can't make it on 30k/year). so they said you can just take whatever classes you're interested in so you wouldn't have to just take only stuff related to whatever kind of law you want to go into. is that really true? like if i took poverty law and whatever random theory classes i want it would be ok and i could still be a labor lawyer? i don't have to worry about this until spring but i want to know now. also i know i might totally change my mind but the question would still stand, i guess.

nazi bikini (harbl), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd imagine that you get to choose at best two classes, right? from a limited menu of choices that don't have much directly to do with any potential career path? so this isn't really a concern until at least your second year. when they say those things it means:
a) you don't actually need to know the specific law of a particular area to go into it; law school is a general education (never mind that potential employers theoretically might question your failure to take certain generally or specifically relevant courses)
and/or
b) don't waste your time filling up on specific (and perhaps relatively easy to grasp) courses like poverty law (whatever that is), space law, FDA law, eastern european law, muppet law, etc. when you can be taking more generally important elective courses that while not required are recommended

i would keep in mind that you might think you're interested in a particular area because you imagine yourself enjoying work for certain kinds of clients, but later learn that the actual substantive law of that area doesn't interest you very much (or that the practice may be different from how you imagined it). or vice versa.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 18 August 2006 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link

assuming you have a single elective course in your spring semester, i would consider choosing a course for its importance to a general education, as well as what it would say to different kinds of employers, but ultimately i'd choose the one that will keep you the sanest.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 18 August 2006 01:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I WANT TO TAKE SPACE LAW

nazi bikini (harbl), Friday, 18 August 2006 01:14 (seventeen years ago) link


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