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i thought that was why the nope

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:56 (six years ago) Permalink

cos its like, pan-religiousy in a fucking marshmallowy meaningless way.

is the point

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (six years ago) Permalink

philosophy

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (six years ago) Permalink

man

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (six years ago) Permalink

ho shit. i thought the donkey-wheel was just meta.

n e ways, plaxico otm

ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:59 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah, interdisciplinary work is so fruitless

ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:04 (six years ago) Permalink

even if you don't consider analytic and continental philosophy to be two separate disciplines—maybe they are, and maybe they aren't—saying that you need to take sides doesn't really make much sense. not saying you can just take random aspects of the two and mash them together, but if you notice a place where the two lines up, you certainly can link them together and work from there

ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:06 (six years ago) Permalink

seems like u r def. the man to do that good look

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:08 (six years ago) Permalink

btw, lol that ILX Philosophy thread started discussing Lost less than 50 posts in

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:18 (six years ago) Permalink

Ugh, maybe I won't be looking forward to this thread as I had initially thought. Fucking assholes coming out of the woodwork already.

I don't believe that analytic and continental disciplines can ever be reduced into each other, and nor should they, but to suggest that they cannot both be appreciated is the most disgusting savagery.

emil.y, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 23:56 (six years ago) Permalink

I don't think those people are assholes.

bamcquern, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:57 (six years ago) Permalink

Analyze the disgusting savage archetype?

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:59 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm just going to treat this as the rolling talk about academics thread, fuck distinctions imo

dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (six years ago) Permalink

anyway, picked up history of sexuality part I, it's actually my first full on foucault book instead of a few scattered essays and excerpts here and there. have only read the prologue but excited

dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (six years ago) Permalink

not wanting to put you off or anything, but dunno if history of sexuality is the best place to start w/ foucault - i think it's one of his most esoteric and least satisfying bks, tbh. for me, discipline and punish was a really gd intro to his thought and style - works as a piece of theory and as (obv contentious) history

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 17 June 2010 06:39 (six years ago) Permalink

i am so goddamn out of touch w/philosphy these days, i am a bad philo grad. it bugs me, because i think ive lost a lot of what i already knew just through not engaging with it, kind of a tough discipline if you dont stay on top of it.

― ULTRAMAN dat ho (jjjusten), Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^ I double majored and am working in the field of my other major so yeah, I'm stupid again so to speak. Hopefully this thread will bring back that loving feeling of my brain turning inside out.

peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:09 (six years ago) Permalink

i found history of sexuality I quite satisfying and not as hard to get through as d&p

harbl, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:14 (six years ago) Permalink

i read this really good book called the fountanhead once

michael, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:19 (six years ago) Permalink

wat was it about?

peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:39 (six years ago) Permalink

how awesome awesome people are

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:44 (six years ago) Permalink

i think it was about rape and architecture, kinda like Discipline & Punish, only longer.

sarahel, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:50 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah i woulda said history of sexuality was totally perfect intro to foucault, kinda feel like its both the most developed and clearest version of many of his tropes etc.

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:32 (six years ago) Permalink

the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:48 (six years ago) Permalink

lately my reading has been directed more toward early-20th century european philosophy (phenomenology, Diltheyan hermeneutics, various neo-Kantianisms) in an effort to get a better grasp on the origins of the main postwar intellectual (and some political) movements. and maybe to finally understand Heidegger, but I'm not holding my breath.

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:51 (six years ago) Permalink

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:55 (six years ago) Permalink

ha, was just about to post that. It's funny because it's true.

I'm currently doing my Masters dissertation in (continental) philosophy, fuck it all I say I'll just get a cosy office job. Altho my reading at this very moment is fun, Jacques Attali's Noise: The Political Economy of Music.

NYC Goatse.cx and Flowers (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:00 (six years ago) Permalink

really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:03 (six years ago) Permalink

That clip is amazing. Also -- loved the Attali. A lot of my undergrad thesis was devoted to him.

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:05 (six years ago) Permalink

xpost oh yeah I'm also hoping that, after reading some Husserl, I'll be able to (and still want to, heh) read Derrida's early stuff on him and maybe get a better understanding of JD's whole project

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:08 (six years ago) Permalink

husserl is awesome but the phenomenological aspects of derrida are crazy confusing to me

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:13 (six years ago) Permalink

I saw this thread title and initially thought it would be about best approaches to throwing the D20 in a role playing game.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:14 (six years ago) Permalink

man that clip is my h8ed approach to... everything really. "You can't understand x without y, z, or q". You could say that in any academic discipline, or any non-academic discipline. Fuck it. Secondary texts ftw.

btw another mostly lapsed MA here, although I keep up my subscription to The Philospher's Magazine.

sent from my neural lace (ledge), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:18 (six years ago) Permalink

plax what's yr favorite husserl? I'm reading crisis of the european sciences right now but that's obv. a very late and not very representative work so I'm wonderin' what I should check out next.

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:21 (six years ago) Permalink

i read the cartesian meditations recently enough and its a pretty sweet intro.

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:24 (six years ago) Permalink

the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there

― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:48 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

YES--birth of biopolitics is GREAT i think, not to mention the clearest/'easiest' of any foucault book ive read too.

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:26 (six years ago) Permalink

really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)

― plax (ico), Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:03 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i thought levinas was the key to derrida

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:27 (six years ago) Permalink

i dont even know who that is

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:28 (six years ago) Permalink

smdh

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (six years ago) Permalink

i will never understand derrida

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (six years ago) Permalink

fu omg

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (six years ago) Permalink

lol jk

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:30 (six years ago) Permalink

lithuanian jew, student of husserl (and heidegger i believe?), key concepts 'the other' 'ethics as first philosophy' 'face-to-face' 'alterity'

derrida has two long essays about him--'violence and metaphysics' and a published (extended?) version of the eulogy he gave at levinas funeral

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (six years ago) Permalink

the key to derrida fyi is smokin pot and reading poetry

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (six years ago) Permalink

I don't think levinas was a student of heidegger (maybe yr thinkin' of marcuse?), but yeah, he was (I believe) the first french translator of husserl, and in general had a big influence on the french reception of phenomenology

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (six years ago) Permalink

xpost halfway there; which poetry should I be readin'?

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (six years ago) Permalink

Rilke, maybe?

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (six years ago) Permalink

well holderlin obv

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (six years ago) Permalink

rimbaud dude

AESTHOLE (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (six years ago) Permalink

bob dylan

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (six years ago) Permalink

mallarme

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:40 (six years ago) Permalink

good, substantive interview with Brassier:
http://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/nihil-unbound/

ryan, Saturday, 12 November 2016 14:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

i tried a few episodes of partially examined life and i'm not a huge fan. very simplified and very general conversation about the most obvious ideas in the works. does anyone have something they can recommend that's maybe a little more... idk incisive?

Mordy, Thursday, 1 December 2016 01:00 (one week ago) Permalink

you gotta go to the source for that my man

j., Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:22 (one week ago) Permalink

anyone reading anything interesting? I'm thinking about taking this out from the library (ugh, prohibitively expensive academic presses). On Heidegger's influence in post-war France. http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/product_info.php?products_id=807614

Federico Boswarlos, Thursday, 1 December 2016 19:27 (one week ago) Permalink

_Veblen in Plain English_ has been interesting and very readable

http://billtotten.blogspot.com/2009/02/veblen-in-plain-english.html?m=1

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 1 December 2016 19:43 (one week ago) Permalink

i tried a few episodes of partially examined life and i'm not a huge fan. very simplified and very general conversation about the most obvious ideas in the works. does anyone have something they can recommend that's maybe a little more... idk incisive?

What about the UnMute Podcast?

http://www.unmutepodcast.co/

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 00:21 (two days ago) Permalink

i'll check it out. it's not philosophy but i'm digging Mike Duncan's Revolutions podcast atm.

Mordy, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 00:22 (two days ago) Permalink

hey btw thx to j. for recommending Gary Gutting 'What Philosophers Know' I was delighted to read about Gettier counterexamples, exactly the kind of puzzle/result I was looking for

flopson, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 01:06 (two days ago) Permalink

That was me, and you're welcome. A lot of people dismiss the Gettier stuff but I think it's fun and worthwhile.

JRN, Thursday, 8 December 2016 04:40 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

If your appetite for that stuff isn't sated yet, you might like "On the Gettier Problem Problem" by William Lycan, which was originally for some edited volume or other and is now on his website.

JRN, Thursday, 8 December 2016 04:45 (fifteen hours ago) Permalink

(Another popular sneer of the period was, ‘Why don’t you go publish a little note in Analysis?’)

jmm, Thursday, 8 December 2016 05:28 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

Wouldn't that just burn you up

JRN, Thursday, 8 December 2016 05:46 (fourteen hours ago) Permalink

That was me, and you're welcome. A lot of people dismiss the Gettier stuff but I think it's fun and worthwhile.

― JRN, Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:40 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sorry!! got my j.'s mixed up!

it is certainly FUN

flopson, Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:06 (six hours ago) Permalink

it might be FUN---not sure but I'll be teaching it again in my grad seminar on epistemology this spring---but it leads to FUN in a hamster wheel when you read some little note in Analysis on it where the author gives a counterexample to a condition on knowledge added by another author, then adds her own new condition...which is then itself refuted in another little note in Analysis a few months later.

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 8 December 2016 16:00 (three hours ago) Permalink

indeed! beautiful passage in the Gutting expressing just that:

The increasing complexity of fourth-condition proposals and their apparently inevitable vulnerability to counterexamples have left little reason to think that trying to solve the Gettier problem by adding further conditions will ever move beyond the rococo futility in which it has been immersed for so long.

i love that, "rococo futility"

flopson, Thursday, 8 December 2016 16:14 (three hours ago) Permalink

the `fun` part of it, to me, and which suggested some meta- negative result that maybe no one has proved yet(?) was how the extra conditions keep popping up new counterexamples until you over-strengthen and then the original Gettier counterexample is back to being knowledge

flopson, Thursday, 8 December 2016 16:16 (three hours ago) Permalink


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