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i thought that was why the nope

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

cos its like, pan-religiousy in a fucking marshmallowy meaningless way.

is the point

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

philosophy

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

man

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

ho shit. i thought the donkey-wheel was just meta.

n e ways, plaxico otm

ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, interdisciplinary work is so fruitless

ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

even if you don't consider analytic and continental philosophy to be two separate disciplines—maybe they are, and maybe they aren't—saying that you need to take sides doesn't really make much sense. not saying you can just take random aspects of the two and mash them together, but if you notice a place where the two lines up, you certainly can link them together and work from there

ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

seems like u r def. the man to do that good look

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

btw, lol that ILX Philosophy thread started discussing Lost less than 50 posts in

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ugh, maybe I won't be looking forward to this thread as I had initially thought. Fucking assholes coming out of the woodwork already.

I don't believe that analytic and continental disciplines can ever be reduced into each other, and nor should they, but to suggest that they cannot both be appreciated is the most disgusting savagery.

emil.y, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 23:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't think those people are assholes.

bamcquern, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

Analyze the disgusting savage archetype?

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm just going to treat this as the rolling talk about academics thread, fuck distinctions imo

dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

anyway, picked up history of sexuality part I, it's actually my first full on foucault book instead of a few scattered essays and excerpts here and there. have only read the prologue but excited

dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

not wanting to put you off or anything, but dunno if history of sexuality is the best place to start w/ foucault - i think it's one of his most esoteric and least satisfying bks, tbh. for me, discipline and punish was a really gd intro to his thought and style - works as a piece of theory and as (obv contentious) history

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 17 June 2010 06:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

i am so goddamn out of touch w/philosphy these days, i am a bad philo grad. it bugs me, because i think ive lost a lot of what i already knew just through not engaging with it, kind of a tough discipline if you dont stay on top of it.

― ULTRAMAN dat ho (jjjusten), Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^ I double majored and am working in the field of my other major so yeah, I'm stupid again so to speak. Hopefully this thread will bring back that loving feeling of my brain turning inside out.

peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

i found history of sexuality I quite satisfying and not as hard to get through as d&p

harbl, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

i read this really good book called the fountanhead once

michael, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

wat was it about?

peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

how awesome awesome people are

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think it was about rape and architecture, kinda like Discipline & Punish, only longer.

sarahel, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i woulda said history of sexuality was totally perfect intro to foucault, kinda feel like its both the most developed and clearest version of many of his tropes etc.

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

lately my reading has been directed more toward early-20th century european philosophy (phenomenology, Diltheyan hermeneutics, various neo-Kantianisms) in an effort to get a better grasp on the origins of the main postwar intellectual (and some political) movements. and maybe to finally understand Heidegger, but I'm not holding my breath.

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

ha, was just about to post that. It's funny because it's true.

I'm currently doing my Masters dissertation in (continental) philosophy, fuck it all I say I'll just get a cosy office job. Altho my reading at this very moment is fun, Jacques Attali's Noise: The Political Economy of Music.

NYC Goatse.cx and Flowers (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

That clip is amazing. Also -- loved the Attali. A lot of my undergrad thesis was devoted to him.

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

xpost oh yeah I'm also hoping that, after reading some Husserl, I'll be able to (and still want to, heh) read Derrida's early stuff on him and maybe get a better understanding of JD's whole project

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

husserl is awesome but the phenomenological aspects of derrida are crazy confusing to me

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

I saw this thread title and initially thought it would be about best approaches to throwing the D20 in a role playing game.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

man that clip is my h8ed approach to... everything really. "You can't understand x without y, z, or q". You could say that in any academic discipline, or any non-academic discipline. Fuck it. Secondary texts ftw.

btw another mostly lapsed MA here, although I keep up my subscription to The Philospher's Magazine.

sent from my neural lace (ledge), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

plax what's yr favorite husserl? I'm reading crisis of the european sciences right now but that's obv. a very late and not very representative work so I'm wonderin' what I should check out next.

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

i read the cartesian meditations recently enough and its a pretty sweet intro.

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there

― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:48 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

YES--birth of biopolitics is GREAT i think, not to mention the clearest/'easiest' of any foucault book ive read too.

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)

― plax (ico), Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:03 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i thought levinas was the key to derrida

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

i dont even know who that is

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

smdh

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

i will never understand derrida

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

fu omg

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol jk

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

lithuanian jew, student of husserl (and heidegger i believe?), key concepts 'the other' 'ethics as first philosophy' 'face-to-face' 'alterity'

derrida has two long essays about him--'violence and metaphysics' and a published (extended?) version of the eulogy he gave at levinas funeral

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

the key to derrida fyi is smokin pot and reading poetry

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't think levinas was a student of heidegger (maybe yr thinkin' of marcuse?), but yeah, he was (I believe) the first french translator of husserl, and in general had a big influence on the french reception of phenomenology

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

xpost halfway there; which poetry should I be readin'?

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Rilke, maybe?

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

well holderlin obv

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

rimbaud dude

AESTHOLE (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

bob dylan

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

mallarme

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh i thought they were like some singularity people

human enhancement, that ish

j., Friday, 22 May 2015 14:59 (1 week ago) Permalink

oh yes that does come up as well. i guess in a broader sense it's about taking the effects of modernity (however you want to describe it) and trying your damnedest to encourage those developments in the hopes of an exit from modernity. (modernity being my own term here). "the only way out is through" is shaviro's general description.

so yeah the singularity types fit in as well--rather than hold on to some notion of the human you simply embrace the cyborg you're becoming.

ryan, Friday, 22 May 2015 15:04 (1 week ago) Permalink

what else is hot shit these days in the philosophy/theory world? let's say im interested in the "contemporary" theoretical scene.

was actually gonna pick up shaviro's other recent book on OOO, but boy i really hate that stuff. feel like his position as a relative outsider will make it palatable.

amazon has really been pushing bernard stiegler, wendy brown, and brian massumi on me. (the massumi i think because he mentions luhmann in passing and im always searching for new books that mention him, haha).

ryan, Friday, 22 May 2015 15:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

If you're interested, j., #ACCELERATE anthology does a decent job of tracing out the main lines of development in accelerationist thought and its most important precursors, and its table of contents and introduction are available online: http://www.urbanomic.com/pub_accelerate.php. I'm still fairly skeptical of the accelerationist project: given the history of the left since Reagan and Thatcher, I'm not sure the old proposal for "heightening the contradictions" of capitalist modernity is necessarily that useful for socialist or communist organizing.

one way street, Friday, 22 May 2015 16:38 (1 week ago) Permalink

Benjamin Noys is also worth reading on the topic, I think: http://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/crash-and-burn-debating-accelerationism/

one way street, Friday, 22 May 2015 16:41 (1 week ago) Permalink

...or, at least, everything rests on what "heightening the contradictions" means in practice, and the accelerationist version seems bound to an aesthetics of technological novelty in a way that fails to open up new possibilities for the left.

one way street, Friday, 22 May 2015 16:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah that's just the thing--it's hard to distinguish it from previous "avant garde" positions, really. that's aside from the very dubious assertion that the disequilibrium of a capitalist modernity implies some sort of equilibrium on other side--or if not equilibrium then some pure alternative. i feel like the whole irony of it is that they don't want to get their hands dirty and stake a position that may, in some respect, prop up capital: "if i gotta participate, then im gonna participate so hard the whole things collapses." i think, on the contrary, most measures are half-measures, at best.

ryan, Friday, 22 May 2015 17:15 (1 week ago) Permalink

nina power's critique of accelerationism nails it imo http://fillip.ca/content/decapitalism-left-scarcity-and-the-state

Merdeyeux, Friday, 22 May 2015 21:49 (1 week ago) Permalink

https://www.radicalphilosophy.com/article/a-marxist-heresy also good (tho you need a subscription)

Merdeyeux, Friday, 22 May 2015 21:50 (1 week ago) Permalink

great links, thanks!

ryan, Friday, 22 May 2015 23:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8650728-being-and-time

i've been using goodreads lately again, mostly to see how it works with my kindle. it's interesting to read the community reviews of a book like 'being and time'. i noticed that an eminently qualified friend who does crazy continental formalistic post-badiou metalogic/physics prudently demurred from reviewing it despite loving it, which is maybe the way it is with scholars. so what you get is hundreds of fairly frank non-expert encapsulations and reader-responses that highlight reception issues (difficulty duh) and rely on the most salient takeaways and the readiest secondary-source helpmeets, and aren't ashamed to take a stab at articulating why the book is supposed to be of actual, like, human interest.

i dunno, it kind of feels like overhearing what students could make of things years after school, when the teacher's not in the room to bring out the worst in them / serve his or her suppressive function

j., Friday, 29 May 2015 06:13 (Yesterday) Permalink

some are idiosyncratic

the dynamic of the book is very musical, it seemed to me. drone-like. as if the loooong sounds are repeated and repeated again, creating a texture which changes your "mood" - your "attunement" - making you able to see how a new "ground" is disclosed.

that said, one must appreciate the application of husserlian technique to the ancient rhetoric. that's cool. however: the greasiness of H-bomb opening the entire thing here with the disingenuous lament that 'OH NOS no one ever thought of the problem of Being before me, but got confused by examining mere beings!!1" is kinda gross insofar as every asshole opens with the complaint that no one ever pays attention to what i think is important. (we note that it is a standard refrain in ayn rand's writings, and leads us to diagnose a severe dunning-kruger complex, in addition to the stirnerian proto-fascistic self-oriented kvetching.)

drash, Friday, 29 May 2015 14:52 (Yesterday) Permalink

haha those are both great.

ryan, Friday, 29 May 2015 14:54 (Yesterday) Permalink

B&T maybe a unique case because it's at once a pretty abstruse and technical book and something a philosophical layman will have heard of and be interested in reading. i bet anti-oedipus and being and nothingness have pretty interesting reviews as well.

ryan, Friday, 29 May 2015 15:37 (Yesterday) Permalink

yes i was planning on trawling thru the thousand plateaus reviews next, expecting to find a bit more enthusiastic partisanship

j., Friday, 29 May 2015 15:49 (Yesterday) Permalink

lol i just did that

probs with the skag (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 May 2015 15:51 (Yesterday) Permalink


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