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i thought that was why the nope

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

cos its like, pan-religiousy in a fucking marshmallowy meaningless way.

is the point

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

philosophy

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

man

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

ho shit. i thought the donkey-wheel was just meta.

n e ways, plaxico otm

ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah, interdisciplinary work is so fruitless

ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

even if you don't consider analytic and continental philosophy to be two separate disciplines—maybe they are, and maybe they aren't—saying that you need to take sides doesn't really make much sense. not saying you can just take random aspects of the two and mash them together, but if you notice a place where the two lines up, you certainly can link them together and work from there

ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

seems like u r def. the man to do that good look

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

btw, lol that ILX Philosophy thread started discussing Lost less than 50 posts in

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ugh, maybe I won't be looking forward to this thread as I had initially thought. Fucking assholes coming out of the woodwork already.

I don't believe that analytic and continental disciplines can ever be reduced into each other, and nor should they, but to suggest that they cannot both be appreciated is the most disgusting savagery.

emil.y, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 23:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't think those people are assholes.

bamcquern, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Analyze the disgusting savage archetype?

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm just going to treat this as the rolling talk about academics thread, fuck distinctions imo

dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

anyway, picked up history of sexuality part I, it's actually my first full on foucault book instead of a few scattered essays and excerpts here and there. have only read the prologue but excited

dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

not wanting to put you off or anything, but dunno if history of sexuality is the best place to start w/ foucault - i think it's one of his most esoteric and least satisfying bks, tbh. for me, discipline and punish was a really gd intro to his thought and style - works as a piece of theory and as (obv contentious) history

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 17 June 2010 06:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

i am so goddamn out of touch w/philosphy these days, i am a bad philo grad. it bugs me, because i think ive lost a lot of what i already knew just through not engaging with it, kind of a tough discipline if you dont stay on top of it.

― ULTRAMAN dat ho (jjjusten), Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^ I double majored and am working in the field of my other major so yeah, I'm stupid again so to speak. Hopefully this thread will bring back that loving feeling of my brain turning inside out.

peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

i found history of sexuality I quite satisfying and not as hard to get through as d&p

harbl, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

i read this really good book called the fountanhead once

michael, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

wat was it about?

peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

how awesome awesome people are

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think it was about rape and architecture, kinda like Discipline & Punish, only longer.

sarahel, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah i woulda said history of sexuality was totally perfect intro to foucault, kinda feel like its both the most developed and clearest version of many of his tropes etc.

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

lately my reading has been directed more toward early-20th century european philosophy (phenomenology, Diltheyan hermeneutics, various neo-Kantianisms) in an effort to get a better grasp on the origins of the main postwar intellectual (and some political) movements. and maybe to finally understand Heidegger, but I'm not holding my breath.

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

ha, was just about to post that. It's funny because it's true.

I'm currently doing my Masters dissertation in (continental) philosophy, fuck it all I say I'll just get a cosy office job. Altho my reading at this very moment is fun, Jacques Attali's Noise: The Political Economy of Music.

NYC Goatse.cx and Flowers (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

That clip is amazing. Also -- loved the Attali. A lot of my undergrad thesis was devoted to him.

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

xpost oh yeah I'm also hoping that, after reading some Husserl, I'll be able to (and still want to, heh) read Derrida's early stuff on him and maybe get a better understanding of JD's whole project

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

husserl is awesome but the phenomenological aspects of derrida are crazy confusing to me

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

I saw this thread title and initially thought it would be about best approaches to throwing the D20 in a role playing game.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

man that clip is my h8ed approach to... everything really. "You can't understand x without y, z, or q". You could say that in any academic discipline, or any non-academic discipline. Fuck it. Secondary texts ftw.

btw another mostly lapsed MA here, although I keep up my subscription to The Philospher's Magazine.

sent from my neural lace (ledge), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

plax what's yr favorite husserl? I'm reading crisis of the european sciences right now but that's obv. a very late and not very representative work so I'm wonderin' what I should check out next.

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

i read the cartesian meditations recently enough and its a pretty sweet intro.

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there

― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:48 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

YES--birth of biopolitics is GREAT i think, not to mention the clearest/'easiest' of any foucault book ive read too.

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)

― plax (ico), Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:03 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i thought levinas was the key to derrida

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

i dont even know who that is

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

smdh

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

i will never understand derrida

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

fu omg

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

lol jk

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

lithuanian jew, student of husserl (and heidegger i believe?), key concepts 'the other' 'ethics as first philosophy' 'face-to-face' 'alterity'

derrida has two long essays about him--'violence and metaphysics' and a published (extended?) version of the eulogy he gave at levinas funeral

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

the key to derrida fyi is smokin pot and reading poetry

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't think levinas was a student of heidegger (maybe yr thinkin' of marcuse?), but yeah, he was (I believe) the first french translator of husserl, and in general had a big influence on the french reception of phenomenology

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

xpost halfway there; which poetry should I be readin'?

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

Rilke, maybe?

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

well holderlin obv

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

rimbaud dude

AESTHOLE (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

bob dylan

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

mallarme

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

inventing the future can fuck right off and stop taking up 2/3 of my social media feeds

Merdeyeux, Friday, 30 October 2015 14:06 (3 months ago) Permalink

just read Sloterdijk's "Terror From the Air" and was impressed with it in some respects. It's very "high concept" (have no idea if that analogy works in philosophy but maybe you get my meaning anyway) and something about it feels very of the moment, particularly with regard to current events around ideas like "safe spaces" and the more or less background hum of racism etc. which is becoming more and more the focal point of what Sloterdijk would call the "explicative" process which he sees as central to modernity: that is, making the implicit conditions of things explicit.

ryan, Saturday, 7 November 2015 15:21 (3 months ago) Permalink

Euler, do you work on Spinoza?

I finally got brave/foolhardy and wrote an essay on Francis Bacon and Spinoza for a forthcoming edited collection, kind of terrifying to make claims about Spinoza in print, but I ran my reading by my colleague Y1tshak M3lam3d first.

the tune was space, Saturday, 7 November 2015 16:48 (3 months ago) Permalink

I taught a grad seminar on Spinoza but I'm not presently working on him. What's the collection on?

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 7 November 2015 18:55 (3 months ago) Permalink

it's an "affect theory and early modernity" collection, trying to connect contemporary writing in affect theory and new materialism with its renaissance precursors / alternatives etc. mostly literature folks I know from the lit crit / shakespeare mafia, but I'm super excited because Susan Jam3s is writing the afterword

the tune was space, Saturday, 7 November 2015 19:12 (3 months ago) Permalink

sounds rad! Learning Spinoza has been my uncoding of a lot of discourses

Do lit people think about Alexander Pope anymore? there are intersections there wrt to "great chain of being" and Spinozist immanence

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 7 November 2015 20:27 (3 months ago) Permalink

from Terror From the Air. not sure I can unpack all this but he does seem to be putting his finger on something:

When everything is latently able to be contaminated and poisoned, when everything is potentially deceptive and suspect, neither totality nor the possibility of being a Whole can any longer be inferred from external circumstances. No longer can integrity be thought of as something that is obtained through devotion to the benevolent surroundings, but instead only as the individual effort of an organism's concern with demarcating itself out from its environment. This paves the way for a new motif of thought without which the modern economy of ideas would be inchoate: namely, the idea according to which life insists less in its being-there, by its participation in the whole, but instead by its stabilization through self-closure and the selective refusal of participation. To describe this as the fundamental thought for a post-metaphysical or differently-metaphysical civilization is not saying too little. Its psychosocial trace manifests itself in the shock of naturalism, a shock whereby the culture that sheds biological light on itself learns to pass from a fantasmatic ethics of universal, peaceful coexistence to an ethics of the antagonistic protection of the interests of finite unities...

ryan, Sunday, 8 November 2015 21:19 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

vmic topic but i think other ppl might find this interesting:
http://schlemielintheory.com/2015/11/24/jews-1931-wittgensteins-marginalia-on-jews-jewishness-and-reproductive-jewish-thought/

Mordy, Thursday, 26 November 2015 03:45 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

I’ve read some philosophy this year.

I read pretty much all of Graham Harman’s books. I’m currently in the middle of Brassier’s Nihil Unbound. Last Meillassoux book (in translation) coming in today. Haven’t touched Grant yet but I plan on doing so.

I read that Inventing the Future book from Verso.

I’ve read some Žižek.

markers, Friday, 11 December 2015 17:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

Verso is doing a sale thing right now btw: http://www.versobooks.com

I already bought The Ticklish Subject and might get (at least) Less Than Nothing too.

markers, Friday, 11 December 2015 17:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

a great Verso book is Giovanni Arrighi's "The Long Twentieth Century"--i learned a lot from that book.

ryan, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

what did you learn

flopson, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

i picked it up because of a fredric jameson shout out so i was simply curious about getting some background for what jameson is up to, but essentially the whole narrative about the development of world capitalism was all new to me. id have to go back and look at it to speak in any more detail, but i just found it an engaging read about a difficult (for me) topic.

ryan, Friday, 11 December 2015 19:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

nice. the two things i've read in that strain of leftist global political economy people are leo panitch & sam gindin "the making of global capitalism" (who position themselves against hardt & negri who i haven't read in emphasizing the deliberate making and not the inevitability of global capitalism) and robert brenner's essays, who is great imo. don't know much about arrighi but david harvey namedrops him multiple times in a blog post entertainingly smackdowned by brad delong (http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/02/department-of-huh-in-praise-of-neoclassical-economics-department.html). i feel like hobsbaum is the one i most urgently need to read. also a lot of these dudes have been brought into mainstream economics through acemoglu & robinson, who i really like and wish they would engage with more but they still seem to have a chip on their shoulder about economists

flopson, Friday, 11 December 2015 19:38 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah i am not competent to take sides in economics and economic history debates but it's extremely interesting to me.

arrighi quotes extensively from fernand braudel so it's possible a lot of the stuff that i found so interesting come from him as well.

ryan, Friday, 11 December 2015 19:41 (1 month ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

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