i thought that was why the nope
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
cos its like, pan-religiousy in a fucking marshmallowy meaningless way.
is the point
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
philosophy
man
ho shit. i thought the donkey-wheel was just meta.
n e ways, plaxico otm
― ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, interdisciplinary work is so fruitless
― ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
even if you don't consider analytic and continental philosophy to be two separate disciplines—maybe they are, and maybe they aren't—saying that you need to take sides doesn't really make much sense. not saying you can just take random aspects of the two and mash them together, but if you notice a place where the two lines up, you certainly can link them together and work from there
― ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
seems like u r def. the man to do that good look
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
btw, lol that ILX Philosophy thread started discussing Lost less than 50 posts in
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ugh, maybe I won't be looking forward to this thread as I had initially thought. Fucking assholes coming out of the woodwork already.
I don't believe that analytic and continental disciplines can ever be reduced into each other, and nor should they, but to suggest that they cannot both be appreciated is the most disgusting savagery.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 23:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't think those people are assholes.
― bamcquern, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
Analyze the disgusting savage archetype?
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm just going to treat this as the rolling talk about academics thread, fuck distinctions imo
― dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
anyway, picked up history of sexuality part I, it's actually my first full on foucault book instead of a few scattered essays and excerpts here and there. have only read the prologue but excited
not wanting to put you off or anything, but dunno if history of sexuality is the best place to start w/ foucault - i think it's one of his most esoteric and least satisfying bks, tbh. for me, discipline and punish was a really gd intro to his thought and style - works as a piece of theory and as (obv contentious) history
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 17 June 2010 06:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
i am so goddamn out of touch w/philosphy these days, i am a bad philo grad. it bugs me, because i think ive lost a lot of what i already knew just through not engaging with it, kind of a tough discipline if you dont stay on top of it.
― ULTRAMAN dat ho (jjjusten), Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^^^ I double majored and am working in the field of my other major so yeah, I'm stupid again so to speak. Hopefully this thread will bring back that loving feeling of my brain turning inside out.
― peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
i found history of sexuality I quite satisfying and not as hard to get through as d&p
― harbl, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
i read this really good book called the fountanhead once
― michael, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
wat was it about?
― peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
how awesome awesome people are
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think it was about rape and architecture, kinda like Discipline & Punish, only longer.
― sarahel, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i woulda said history of sexuality was totally perfect intro to foucault, kinda feel like its both the most developed and clearest version of many of his tropes etc.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
lately my reading has been directed more toward early-20th century european philosophy (phenomenology, Diltheyan hermeneutics, various neo-Kantianisms) in an effort to get a better grasp on the origins of the main postwar intellectual (and some political) movements. and maybe to finally understand Heidegger, but I'm not holding my breath.
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
ha, was just about to post that. It's funny because it's true.
I'm currently doing my Masters dissertation in (continental) philosophy, fuck it all I say I'll just get a cosy office job. Altho my reading at this very moment is fun, Jacques Attali's Noise: The Political Economy of Music.
― NYC Goatse.cx and Flowers (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
That clip is amazing. Also -- loved the Attali. A lot of my undergrad thesis was devoted to him.
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost oh yeah I'm also hoping that, after reading some Husserl, I'll be able to (and still want to, heh) read Derrida's early stuff on him and maybe get a better understanding of JD's whole project
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
husserl is awesome but the phenomenological aspects of derrida are crazy confusing to me
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
I saw this thread title and initially thought it would be about best approaches to throwing the D20 in a role playing game.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
man that clip is my h8ed approach to... everything really. "You can't understand x without y, z, or q". You could say that in any academic discipline, or any non-academic discipline. Fuck it. Secondary texts ftw.
btw another mostly lapsed MA here, although I keep up my subscription to The Philospher's Magazine.
― sent from my neural lace (ledge), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
plax what's yr favorite husserl? I'm reading crisis of the european sciences right now but that's obv. a very late and not very representative work so I'm wonderin' what I should check out next.
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
i read the cartesian meditations recently enough and its a pretty sweet intro.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:48 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
YES--birth of biopolitics is GREAT i think, not to mention the clearest/'easiest' of any foucault book ive read too.
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
― plax (ico), Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:03 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i thought levinas was the key to derrida
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
i dont even know who that is
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
smdh
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
i will never understand derrida
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
fu omg
lol jk
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
lithuanian jew, student of husserl (and heidegger i believe?), key concepts 'the other' 'ethics as first philosophy' 'face-to-face' 'alterity'
derrida has two long essays about him--'violence and metaphysics' and a published (extended?) version of the eulogy he gave at levinas funeral
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
the key to derrida fyi is smokin pot and reading poetry
I don't think levinas was a student of heidegger (maybe yr thinkin' of marcuse?), but yeah, he was (I believe) the first french translator of husserl, and in general had a big influence on the french reception of phenomenology
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost halfway there; which poetry should I be readin'?
Rilke, maybe?
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
well holderlin obv
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
rimbaud dude
― AESTHOLE (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
bob dylan
― max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
mallarme
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
ya I think during the talk he may have had an aside (he has lots and lots of asides when he speaks) where he went into how 'generic' should be taken, but I forget now. The translation was done quickly so there may be a little sloppiness but I'm sure most of the weird syntax is Laruelle's own, his style is very odd and ever-changing (including e.g. mimicking the writing styles of the people he's writing about, which is why his Badiou book is called Anti-Badiou despite Laruelle's own philosophy always aiming to be very positive and inclusive). Apparently he's v v v hard to translate for that reason (among others), trying to render him in a way that's somehow true to the original text without being horrendous in English.
xp I find that OOO-via-Latour thing of long lists of random shit so annoying, WELL DONE YOU ARE AWARE THAT DIFFERENT THINGS EXIST you smug nerd you.
― ohmigud (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:08 (1 week ago) Permalink
http://doctorzamalek2.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/object-lessons-series/
― markers, Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:10 (1 week ago) Permalink
good price on this http://www.amazon.com/Being-No-One-Self-Model-Subjectivity/dp/B008SM2VO0/
― markers, Friday, 10 May 2013 01:56 (1 week ago) Permalink
might pull the trigger on it tbh
― markers, Friday, 10 May 2013 01:58 (1 week ago) Permalink
https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/334656775196393473
― markers, Friday, 17 May 2013 04:50 (3 days ago) Permalink
dawkins sucks. i read an advance copy of this book, which does a good job taking down dawkins' narrowmindedness, not just in terms of religion (the writer of this book is an atheist), but just like generally his disdain for any kind of question that can have more than one answer. the book is better than the blurb makes it seem. http://www.mhpbooks.com/books/the-science-delusion/
― Treeship, Friday, 17 May 2013 04:55 (3 days ago) Permalink
bitter old racists on twitter, why even engage
― resulting paste of mashed cheez poops (silby), Friday, 17 May 2013 05:09 (3 days ago) Permalink
.@RichardDawkins "Continental Breakfast". What kind of a Breakfast is region-specific? Continental Bacon? Continental Eggs? What nonsense!
― emil.y, Friday, 17 May 2013 13:03 (3 days ago) Permalink
Love the fact that most of the replies turn into a discussion on Ayn Rand. Of course.
― emil.y, Friday, 17 May 2013 13:05 (3 days ago) Permalink
― emil.y, Friday, May 17, 2013 1:03 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is amazing
― steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 17 May 2013 15:10 (3 days ago) Permalink
generally his disdain for any kind of question that can have more than one answer
I've been reading the new Isaiah Berlin collection Against the Current which is also awesome on the same subject. I have a lot of triumphalist Sam Harris-loving scientist acquaintances so while reading I'm constantly smiling smugly to myself all like "yeah, take that!" Which is not really productive but.
― eris bueller (lukas), Friday, 17 May 2013 16:05 (3 days ago) Permalink
ban scientists
― Euler, Friday, 17 May 2013 16:25 (3 days ago) Permalink
philosopher-scientists like georg lichtenberg are the best
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 17 May 2013 16:57 (3 days ago) Permalink
perhaps alan sokal is the most sympathetic example of this pious rationalist strain, but he's still lacking in generosity
― ogmor, Sunday, 19 May 2013 12:20 (Yesterday) Permalink
i find Sokal pretty far from sympathetic tbh
― the league against cool sports (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 19 May 2013 12:26 (Yesterday) Permalink
yeah that's not saying much. hated what i read of 'beyond the hoax', some awful stuff on kuhn.
― ogmor, Sunday, 19 May 2013 15:49 (Yesterday) Permalink