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i thought that was why the nope

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

cos its like, pan-religiousy in a fucking marshmallowy meaningless way.

is the point

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

philosophy

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

man

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

ho shit. i thought the donkey-wheel was just meta.

n e ways, plaxico otm

ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, interdisciplinary work is so fruitless

ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

even if you don't consider analytic and continental philosophy to be two separate disciplines—maybe they are, and maybe they aren't—saying that you need to take sides doesn't really make much sense. not saying you can just take random aspects of the two and mash them together, but if you notice a place where the two lines up, you certainly can link them together and work from there

ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

seems like u r def. the man to do that good look

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

btw, lol that ILX Philosophy thread started discussing Lost less than 50 posts in

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ugh, maybe I won't be looking forward to this thread as I had initially thought. Fucking assholes coming out of the woodwork already.

I don't believe that analytic and continental disciplines can ever be reduced into each other, and nor should they, but to suggest that they cannot both be appreciated is the most disgusting savagery.

emil.y, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 23:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't think those people are assholes.

bamcquern, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

Analyze the disgusting savage archetype?

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm just going to treat this as the rolling talk about academics thread, fuck distinctions imo

dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

anyway, picked up history of sexuality part I, it's actually my first full on foucault book instead of a few scattered essays and excerpts here and there. have only read the prologue but excited

dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

not wanting to put you off or anything, but dunno if history of sexuality is the best place to start w/ foucault - i think it's one of his most esoteric and least satisfying bks, tbh. for me, discipline and punish was a really gd intro to his thought and style - works as a piece of theory and as (obv contentious) history

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 17 June 2010 06:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

i am so goddamn out of touch w/philosphy these days, i am a bad philo grad. it bugs me, because i think ive lost a lot of what i already knew just through not engaging with it, kind of a tough discipline if you dont stay on top of it.

― ULTRAMAN dat ho (jjjusten), Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^ I double majored and am working in the field of my other major so yeah, I'm stupid again so to speak. Hopefully this thread will bring back that loving feeling of my brain turning inside out.

peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

i found history of sexuality I quite satisfying and not as hard to get through as d&p

harbl, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

i read this really good book called the fountanhead once

michael, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

wat was it about?

peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

how awesome awesome people are

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think it was about rape and architecture, kinda like Discipline & Punish, only longer.

sarahel, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah i woulda said history of sexuality was totally perfect intro to foucault, kinda feel like its both the most developed and clearest version of many of his tropes etc.

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

lately my reading has been directed more toward early-20th century european philosophy (phenomenology, Diltheyan hermeneutics, various neo-Kantianisms) in an effort to get a better grasp on the origins of the main postwar intellectual (and some political) movements. and maybe to finally understand Heidegger, but I'm not holding my breath.

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

ha, was just about to post that. It's funny because it's true.

I'm currently doing my Masters dissertation in (continental) philosophy, fuck it all I say I'll just get a cosy office job. Altho my reading at this very moment is fun, Jacques Attali's Noise: The Political Economy of Music.

NYC Goatse.cx and Flowers (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

That clip is amazing. Also -- loved the Attali. A lot of my undergrad thesis was devoted to him.

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

xpost oh yeah I'm also hoping that, after reading some Husserl, I'll be able to (and still want to, heh) read Derrida's early stuff on him and maybe get a better understanding of JD's whole project

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

husserl is awesome but the phenomenological aspects of derrida are crazy confusing to me

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

I saw this thread title and initially thought it would be about best approaches to throwing the D20 in a role playing game.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

man that clip is my h8ed approach to... everything really. "You can't understand x without y, z, or q". You could say that in any academic discipline, or any non-academic discipline. Fuck it. Secondary texts ftw.

btw another mostly lapsed MA here, although I keep up my subscription to The Philospher's Magazine.

sent from my neural lace (ledge), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

plax what's yr favorite husserl? I'm reading crisis of the european sciences right now but that's obv. a very late and not very representative work so I'm wonderin' what I should check out next.

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

i read the cartesian meditations recently enough and its a pretty sweet intro.

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there

― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:48 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

YES--birth of biopolitics is GREAT i think, not to mention the clearest/'easiest' of any foucault book ive read too.

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)

― plax (ico), Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:03 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i thought levinas was the key to derrida

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

i dont even know who that is

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

smdh

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

i will never understand derrida

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

fu omg

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol jk

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

lithuanian jew, student of husserl (and heidegger i believe?), key concepts 'the other' 'ethics as first philosophy' 'face-to-face' 'alterity'

derrida has two long essays about him--'violence and metaphysics' and a published (extended?) version of the eulogy he gave at levinas funeral

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

the key to derrida fyi is smokin pot and reading poetry

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't think levinas was a student of heidegger (maybe yr thinkin' of marcuse?), but yeah, he was (I believe) the first french translator of husserl, and in general had a big influence on the french reception of phenomenology

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

xpost halfway there; which poetry should I be readin'?

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Rilke, maybe?

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

well holderlin obv

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

rimbaud dude

AESTHOLE (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

bob dylan

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

mallarme

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah as I was saying unthread L is a uniquely bad writer, I think. Derrida's pointed questions to him (also upthread) struck me as pretty otm. There's also something to be said for the exhaustion of philosophy in the continental tradition (hence the need for non-philosophy) being itself close to exhaustion.

ryan, Sunday, 23 November 2014 19:19 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, Derrida's objections seem pretty decisive. That dialogue slipped by me, so thanks for bringing it up.

one way street, Monday, 24 November 2014 00:46 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Laruelle kind of sounds like a parody of continental philosophy; philosophy reduced entirely to self-reflection.

jmm, Monday, 24 November 2014 15:53 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

I thought this was a useful discussion of the ambiguities of the later Foucault's relationship to neoliberal thought and policy: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/12/foucault-interview/

one way street, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 19:59 (1 week ago) Permalink

reminds me that I was bemused this past summer when a professor running a seminar I attended casually referred to Foucault as "a man of the Right."

ryan, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 22:21 (1 week ago) Permalink

that piece is interesting but strikes me as WRONG idk

deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 11 December 2014 03:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

i mean im out of my depth or w/e but isnt that just 'why are we letting race/gender/criminality/sexuality take precedence over class' part 109343239234

post colonial studies wd like a word w/ you etc

deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 11 December 2014 04:52 (1 week ago) Permalink

I had a similar reservation--although I think the discussion of Foucault's intervention as one shifting the focus of his analysis from the proletariat to groups excluded from wage labor makes sense as a descriptive claim, Zamora's claim that after Foucault, "dominations are more and more theorized and thought outside of questions of exploitation" is debatable--most intersectional analyses worth the name will look at the ways immiseration and exploitation interact with other modes of domination. I also think the Birth of Biopolitics lectures have a more ambiguous stance on neoliberalism than Zamora suggests here. At the very least, Foucault's claim that under neoliberalism the market is posited as the arbiter of truth, eclipsing conceptions of politics as a practice related to justice, can be used more polemically than Foucault perhaps intended it to be (as in Wendy Brown's recent lectures on neoliberalism). I'd expect Zamora's reading of the late Foucault to be more nuanced in his actual book, anyway.

one way street, Thursday, 11 December 2014 18:27 (1 week ago) Permalink

not to derail the conversation, but as far as Foucault distancing himself from the existing left, was reading this interview where he dismisses polemic as a form: foucault.info/foucault/interview.html

he almost seems to be trolling in his complete refusal to admit that polemic might have legitimate uses

the most painstaking, humorless people in the world (lukas), Thursday, 11 December 2014 18:39 (1 week ago) Permalink

a polemic against polemic is p brill

deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 11 December 2014 18:45 (1 week ago) Permalink

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/12/beyond-the-welfare-state/ this response to the zamora interview is quite good

Merdeyeux, Thursday, 11 December 2014 18:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

Thanks, Merdeyeux; that's the most useful response I've seen so far.

one way street, Friday, 12 December 2014 16:05 (6 days ago) Permalink

http://theroughground.blogspot.ca/2014/12/what-is-dissertation.html

This is fun. I never did a PhD, but I can relate. Trying to write about Wittgenstein, when Wittgenstein himself is challenging the form and function of philosophical writing, was weird and hard.

jmm, Sunday, 14 December 2014 16:09 (4 days ago) Permalink

i wish you could tell my search committees that

j., Sunday, 14 December 2014 16:43 (4 days ago) Permalink

tremendously niche comparison that came to mind today - wwe nxt's adrian neville and p3te w0lfendale

Merdeyeux, Monday, 15 December 2014 02:50 (3 days ago) Permalink

Does anyone here have recommendations on the topic of civil disobedience (beyond Thoreau or Rawls, which I've read)? Been eyeing Kimberley Brownlee's Conscience and Conviction, for example..,,

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 16 December 2014 05:45 (2 days ago) Permalink


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