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i thought that was why the nope

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:56 (six years ago) Permalink

cos its like, pan-religiousy in a fucking marshmallowy meaningless way.

is the point

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (six years ago) Permalink

philosophy

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (six years ago) Permalink

man

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:57 (six years ago) Permalink

ho shit. i thought the donkey-wheel was just meta.

n e ways, plaxico otm

ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 19:59 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah, interdisciplinary work is so fruitless

ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:04 (six years ago) Permalink

even if you don't consider analytic and continental philosophy to be two separate disciplines—maybe they are, and maybe they aren't—saying that you need to take sides doesn't really make much sense. not saying you can just take random aspects of the two and mash them together, but if you notice a place where the two lines up, you certainly can link them together and work from there

ksh, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:06 (six years ago) Permalink

seems like u r def. the man to do that good look

plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:08 (six years ago) Permalink

btw, lol that ILX Philosophy thread started discussing Lost less than 50 posts in

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 20:18 (six years ago) Permalink

Ugh, maybe I won't be looking forward to this thread as I had initially thought. Fucking assholes coming out of the woodwork already.

I don't believe that analytic and continental disciplines can ever be reduced into each other, and nor should they, but to suggest that they cannot both be appreciated is the most disgusting savagery.

emil.y, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 23:56 (six years ago) Permalink

I don't think those people are assholes.

bamcquern, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:57 (six years ago) Permalink

Analyze the disgusting savage archetype?

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 00:59 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm just going to treat this as the rolling talk about academics thread, fuck distinctions imo

dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (six years ago) Permalink

anyway, picked up history of sexuality part I, it's actually my first full on foucault book instead of a few scattered essays and excerpts here and there. have only read the prologue but excited

dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:05 (six years ago) Permalink

not wanting to put you off or anything, but dunno if history of sexuality is the best place to start w/ foucault - i think it's one of his most esoteric and least satisfying bks, tbh. for me, discipline and punish was a really gd intro to his thought and style - works as a piece of theory and as (obv contentious) history

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 17 June 2010 06:39 (six years ago) Permalink

i am so goddamn out of touch w/philosphy these days, i am a bad philo grad. it bugs me, because i think ive lost a lot of what i already knew just through not engaging with it, kind of a tough discipline if you dont stay on top of it.

― ULTRAMAN dat ho (jjjusten), Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^ I double majored and am working in the field of my other major so yeah, I'm stupid again so to speak. Hopefully this thread will bring back that loving feeling of my brain turning inside out.

peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:09 (six years ago) Permalink

i found history of sexuality I quite satisfying and not as hard to get through as d&p

harbl, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:14 (six years ago) Permalink

i read this really good book called the fountanhead once

michael, Thursday, 17 June 2010 18:19 (six years ago) Permalink

wat was it about?

peacocks, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:39 (six years ago) Permalink

how awesome awesome people are

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:44 (six years ago) Permalink

i think it was about rape and architecture, kinda like Discipline & Punish, only longer.

sarahel, Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:50 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah i woulda said history of sexuality was totally perfect intro to foucault, kinda feel like its both the most developed and clearest version of many of his tropes etc.

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:32 (six years ago) Permalink

the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:48 (six years ago) Permalink

lately my reading has been directed more toward early-20th century european philosophy (phenomenology, Diltheyan hermeneutics, various neo-Kantianisms) in an effort to get a better grasp on the origins of the main postwar intellectual (and some political) movements. and maybe to finally understand Heidegger, but I'm not holding my breath.

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:51 (six years ago) Permalink

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 21:55 (six years ago) Permalink

ha, was just about to post that. It's funny because it's true.

I'm currently doing my Masters dissertation in (continental) philosophy, fuck it all I say I'll just get a cosy office job. Altho my reading at this very moment is fun, Jacques Attali's Noise: The Political Economy of Music.

NYC Goatse.cx and Flowers (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:00 (six years ago) Permalink

really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:03 (six years ago) Permalink

That clip is amazing. Also -- loved the Attali. A lot of my undergrad thesis was devoted to him.

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:05 (six years ago) Permalink

xpost oh yeah I'm also hoping that, after reading some Husserl, I'll be able to (and still want to, heh) read Derrida's early stuff on him and maybe get a better understanding of JD's whole project

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:08 (six years ago) Permalink

husserl is awesome but the phenomenological aspects of derrida are crazy confusing to me

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:13 (six years ago) Permalink

I saw this thread title and initially thought it would be about best approaches to throwing the D20 in a role playing game.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:14 (six years ago) Permalink

man that clip is my h8ed approach to... everything really. "You can't understand x without y, z, or q". You could say that in any academic discipline, or any non-academic discipline. Fuck it. Secondary texts ftw.

btw another mostly lapsed MA here, although I keep up my subscription to The Philospher's Magazine.

sent from my neural lace (ledge), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:18 (six years ago) Permalink

plax what's yr favorite husserl? I'm reading crisis of the european sciences right now but that's obv. a very late and not very representative work so I'm wonderin' what I should check out next.

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:21 (six years ago) Permalink

i read the cartesian meditations recently enough and its a pretty sweet intro.

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:24 (six years ago) Permalink

the Foucault lecture courses that have been coming out in english translation over the past few years are also great -- I find the lecture format really easy to follow (not that Foucault's other books are particularly offensive in this regard; just sayin'), and there's a lot of great stuff in there

― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:48 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

YES--birth of biopolitics is GREAT i think, not to mention the clearest/'easiest' of any foucault book ive read too.

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:26 (six years ago) Permalink

really makes me want to read hegel and hausel to understand late heidegger to understand derrida (kinda thought socrates was supposed to be the key to derrida though)

― plax (ico), Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:03 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i thought levinas was the key to derrida

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:27 (six years ago) Permalink

i dont even know who that is

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:28 (six years ago) Permalink

smdh

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (six years ago) Permalink

i will never understand derrida

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (six years ago) Permalink

fu omg

plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:29 (six years ago) Permalink

lol jk

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:30 (six years ago) Permalink

lithuanian jew, student of husserl (and heidegger i believe?), key concepts 'the other' 'ethics as first philosophy' 'face-to-face' 'alterity'

derrida has two long essays about him--'violence and metaphysics' and a published (extended?) version of the eulogy he gave at levinas funeral

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (six years ago) Permalink

the key to derrida fyi is smokin pot and reading poetry

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:34 (six years ago) Permalink

I don't think levinas was a student of heidegger (maybe yr thinkin' of marcuse?), but yeah, he was (I believe) the first french translator of husserl, and in general had a big influence on the french reception of phenomenology

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (six years ago) Permalink

xpost halfway there; which poetry should I be readin'?

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:36 (six years ago) Permalink

Rilke, maybe?

Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (six years ago) Permalink

well holderlin obv

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:38 (six years ago) Permalink

rimbaud dude

AESTHOLE (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (six years ago) Permalink

bob dylan

max, Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:39 (six years ago) Permalink

mallarme

INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:40 (six years ago) Permalink

This one in particular, I guess. It just got uploaded to Youtube yesterday. Given that a recording of an Austin lecture existed, I was curious where it had been sitting all these years. But looking around, it appears that a tape of the recording has been in the British Library for a long time. http://allbutthedissertation.blogspot.ca/2005/11/listening-to-jl-austins-1959.html

jmm, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:27 (one month ago) Permalink

ryan I'm glad A Secular Age is interesting you! the book is kind of a mess, too much repetition, but it's so big that some readers probably need that. for me Part V, and in particular the two Dilemmas chapters, are the richest parts, as in 10 years later I'm still trying to follow them through. it'll probably take 30 more years to even begin doing that.

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 15:31 (one month ago) Permalink

Badiou's book on St Paul is a bit odd, but interesting and provocative. It was the first thing of his I'd read a while ago and I found it to be a good introduction to his system (for lack of a better word), or at least I found the story of Paul allows him to clearly and attractively illustrate it through the historical account of Paul.

That said, he does submit it to the machinery of his philosophical method and, in doing so, kind of recasts Marx/Lenin into the Jesus/Paul relationship which, yeah, well there are some issues there. I guess it can be productively placed within the line of misprision/deliberate mis- or re-interpretation that runs through so much of 20th century French philosophy/theory.

I still do want to get around to A Secular Age sometime...

Federico Boswarlos, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:16 (one month ago) Permalink

Took a break from "A Secular Age" (finished part 1) to read Peter Berger's "The Sacred Canopy." I liked it quite a bit--especially the chapters on alienation and legitimation--in that way you appreciate a book that helps you find tune your disagreements with it. Might have to read his new-ish book on religious pluralism.

Has anyone read Sloterdijk's "In the Shadow of Mount Sinai"?

ryan, Saturday, 18 February 2017 17:32 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Just finishing up Martin Jay's latest book, Reason After Its Eclipse, which I quite enjoyed. It's a brief review of how reason has been theorized, with a longer excursus on the Frankfurt School (his book, referencing Horkheimer's Eclipse of Reason), before surveying the second and third generation Frankfurt School attempts to move beyond it. Essentially, the last half of the book is on Habermas, providing a nice reconstruction of his oeuvre (which was more varied than I had thought) as well as a nice survey of recent critical engagements with it.

https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/5488.htm

It was also based on a series of lectures he gave, which I believe are on Youtube (I can post links if anyone is at all interested...)

Federico Boswarlos, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 00:49 (two days ago) Permalink

I definitely need to read that.

ryan, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 01:22 (two days ago) Permalink

i'd be interested in the lectures. i heard him lecture at cardozo years ago on the topic of benjamin + adorno.

Mordy, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 04:06 (two days ago) Permalink

So i've recently read Nancy's "Adoration," Sloterdijk's "In the Shadow of Mount Sinai," and, uh, Freud's "Moses and Monotheism." And part 3 of "A Secular Age." Now working on Weber's "Sociology of Religion" but I also got Badiou's book on Paul as well as one by Jacob Taubes called "The Political Theology of Paul" and im hoping the Schmitt call back in the title is intended. I should probably check out Sloterdijk's "God's Zeal" at some point.

ryan, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 13:59 (two days ago) Permalink

are you out of work

j., Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:11 (two days ago) Permalink

how can you tell???

ryan, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:55 (two days ago) Permalink

(to be fair almost everything but the Weber in that post is very short)

ryan, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 15:56 (two days ago) Permalink

lol sorry i thought i remembered you were but i was half kidding

(says a man teaching one course and sitting by a pile of books)

j., Tuesday, 21 March 2017 16:27 (two days ago) Permalink

no worries!

ryan, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 18:54 (two days ago) Permalink

suckers, i am both out of work and failing to get very much reading done B-)

lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 21 March 2017 19:32 (two days ago) Permalink

haha, somehow I feel this thread has found its inevitable conclusion

ryan, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 20:18 (two days ago) Permalink

Yes, a fitting thread subtitle, too...

Here's the link to the first Martin Jay lecture - it was multipart (over the course of a few days), and the subsequent lectures should show up either in an automatic playlist or in the suggested videos.

Federico Boswarlos, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 22:36 (two days ago) Permalink


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