i am gonna look into these foucault lectures because they sound right up my alley but that means i will probably not read them for another 4 years because that's what i do :(
― harbl, Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
first book of Derrida's lectures was published last year too
― ksh, Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought jakobson and the structuralists was the key to derridas but I come from a lit theory background
― dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
by the way any philosophy book is improved 1000% if you imagine zizek reading it to you in his voice
― dyao, Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i sometimes make lectury gestures when i am reading philosophy bc i am explning it to myself
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm philosophy
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost yeah me too! (not in public tho, I don't have the stones fer that)
zizek's voice is great, and I have sometimes imitated it (in my head or aloud) while reading his stuff, but never thought of using it for other things. heh.
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 June 2010 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i think when i read derrida i imagine it in Dennis Hopper's voice
― sarahel, Friday, 18 June 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
50 Philosophy Blogs!
http://onlinechristiancolleges.net/50-philosophy-blogs-to-help-you-find-the-meaning-of-life/
― Mordy, Saturday, 19 June 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
only two from that list I recognize/read sometimes are Larval Subjects and Object-Oriented Philosophy. but I still don't understand their whole "speculative realism" steeze.
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Saturday, 19 June 2010 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a speculative realism collection on its way, you can learn soon! Although really I don't think it's much of anything at all, beyond very broad sweeps like being a strain of continental thought that takes science more seriously and tries to put together more positive projects after years of deconstructive negativity and such.
― NYC Goatse.cx and Flowers (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 19 June 2010 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure Levinas studied under Heidegger, making the whole nazism and turn away from Heidegger all the more dramatic.
― Tonight I Dine on Turtle Soup (EDB), Saturday, 19 June 2010 13:35 (thirteen years ago) link
just got Quentin Meillasoux's After Finitude from Amazon -- anyone read it?
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
YES!
― ksh, Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
it's excellent!
I'll need to read it many more times before I really understand it, but the stuff about the ancestral is so good
― ksh, Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
cool thread! current readings: Deleuze - The Logic of SenseFoucault - The Order of ThingsSelected Writings of Nicholas of Cusaand as always reading and re-reading Peirce for my dissertation.
anyone here into radical constructivism or second order cybernetics? (Heinz von Foerster, Spencer-Brown, Humberto Maturana, Niklas Luhmann, Francisco Varela, etc etc) Not philosophy proper but in truth i think it sheds a lot of light in that direction.
― ryan, Sunday, 20 June 2010 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
don't recognize most of those names... I'm curious about Luhmann (only know about him thru Habermas), but haven't read any yet -- I get the impression that his work would dovetail with Latour, who I quite like, but maybe I'm way off-base. also interested in cybernetics, but I feel like I need to really bone up on math before I can get anything out of it.
― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Sunday, 20 June 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah Latour is certainly close to those guys, as is Michel Serres.
― ryan, Sunday, 20 June 2010 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
looking at After Finitude on amazon, looks pretty cool, gonna pick it up.
― ryan, Sunday, 20 June 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Thinking about buying Leo Damrosch's Tocqueville's Discovery of America, anyone heard anything good about it? (Yes, probably more of a history than poly phi, but I've wanted to read something Tocqueville related for awhile.)
― Mordy, Sunday, 20 June 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
God, I was grumpy the other day. To make it up, here is a neat comic done by my mate, called Being & Tim. It is mostly philosophy dork jokes, and thus is very funny.
― emil.y, Sunday, 20 June 2010 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
A++ emil.y, your friend's comics are great
― ksh, Sunday, 20 June 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
looking at After Finitude on amazon, looks pretty cool, gonna pick it up.― ryan, Sunday, June 20, 2010 6:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
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― INSUFFICIENT FUN (bernard snowy), Sunday, 20 June 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, that exclamation point was maybe a bit much
If you guys wanna start a reading group I'll pick it up and participate when I get home.
― Mordy, Sunday, 20 June 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
been meaning to read it myself (really gotta work out what this big deal with correlationism lately is all about), so I would get involved with this.
― NYC Goatse.cx and Flowers (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 20 June 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
would totally be into a reading group, need to kick myself off ILX more often
― dyao, Monday, 21 June 2010 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Bertrand Russell once referred to Kant as the greatest catastrophe in the history of philosophy, C.D. Broad commented that this position surely belonged to Hegel. Russell and Broad were wrong, because this title undoubtedly belongs to Martin Heidegger. Some years ago, Anthony Quinton spoke of Heidegger's 'pondrous and rubbishy woolgathering.' Until fairly recently, Heidegger was not taken seriously by philosophers in Great Britain and the United States. Unfortunately, this is no longer the case. One goal of the present study is to stem this ride of unreason.
― kiwi, Monday, 21 June 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/manipulating_kids_for_the_shove_KPImNCo2nHfU6zOOeNVhqK/0
"RELIGION," a sheet from English class, handed out to eighth-graders, is provocatively titled. The typewritten paper presents some 20 quotes that can be described as anti-God, coming from philosophers from Kierkegaard to Schopenhauer. Even a "Yiddish proverb."..."Men never do evil so fully and so happily as when they do it for conscience's sake," wrote Pascal.I'm not entirely sure of the meaning of that quote, contained on the handout. But at a time when kids need religion, family and strong schools more than ever, this kind of lesson is best left alone.
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"Men never do evil so fully and so happily as when they do it for conscience's sake," wrote Pascal.I'm not entirely sure of the meaning of that quote, contained on the handout. But at a time when kids need religion, family and strong schools more than ever, this kind of lesson is best left alone.
― max, Thursday, 24 June 2010 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
pff, Kierkegaard would totally be down with doing stupid shit in the name of God, they should be all over him.
― NYC Goatse.cx and Flowers (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 24 June 2010 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/7863036/Plato-ancient-Greek-philosophers-secret-music-code-cracked-by-British-scientists.html
― max, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
hate hate hate shit like that
ugggggggggghhhhhh
― AESTHOLE (jjjusten), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
quick somebody shoot dan brown before he has a chance to write a book about it
― AESTHOLE (jjjusten), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean i love the idea of umberto eco-style secret messages and shit but being all "i cracked platos code" its like... no buddy you didnt
― max, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
millions of people have 'cracked plato's code' over and over and over by like... reading plato and discussing him
"i bring shocking news - plato was a fan of math"
― future American striker hero (lukas), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @
Some experts say Plato is the greatest of all the Greek philosophers and together with Socrates, his mentor, and Aristotle, a student, founded modern Western culture and science.
not b/c I'm objected per se but to write that kind of crap e.g. "founded modern Western culture" it's like no you fuckhead culture isn't something one person can "found"
and then:
“It is a long and exciting story, but basically I cracked the code. I have shown rigorously that the books do contain codes and symbols and that unravelling them reveals the hidden philosophy of Plato.”
I'm guessing the journo wrote that line b/c the "but basically I cracked the code" is not the sort of thing a Plato scholar would say...I think/hope? although in grad school I started a course with a Plato scholar who in the first week started going on about the golden ratio & was like "the key to Plato...is this equation!" and since I also do math I was totally embarrassed at the ludicrousness of this and dropped the course pronto.
― So Messi! (Euler), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i really hope the journalist is embellishing the quote there
there is no "hidden philosophy of plato" unless it is "hidden" because you are "illiterate"
― max, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
fyi I have encoded a secret code into all my ilx posts
if you take the time and effort to unlock the code ... you will be richly rewarded
― got you all in ♜ ♔ (dyao), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
I disagree with the idea that Socrates was strictly executed for "heresy" as well tbh
― I saw Mommy kissing Santa Cruz (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
wow I didn't realise who this 'plato scholar' was but I met him earlier in the week on non-cryptographic business. he didn't seem like a guy who was about to drop one of the most revelatory jpegs in the history of philosophy:
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48209000/jpg/_48209148_platocode_platobust.jpg
but then it wouldn't be v platonic of me to go by appearances. if yr curious, the much talked-up 'hidden meanings'/spurious correlations can be found here. nice to see he's worked the monochord into his theory, but I think harry smith employed it for better anti-platonic purposes 50 years previous.
― ogmor, Thursday, 1 July 2010 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw im open to the idea of some weird musical pattern in plato
not down with cracking the code tho
― max, Thursday, 1 July 2010 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh they were talking about this jerk and his theory on NPR during my drive home, maybe i should have punched the dashboard rhythymically according to his code for better enlightenment
― Kool G. Frap (jjjusten), Thursday, 1 July 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.source101.org/images/HFTNPD65.gif
― buzza, Thursday, 1 July 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really understand what the guy is saying tbrr
Dr Kennedy discovered that some key phrases, themes and words occurred during regular intervals throughout, which matched the spacing in the 12 note scale.
hmmmmmmm
He argued that Plato did not use the code for pleasure, but instead for his own safety after his teacher was executed for heresy.
does he say what the secret message is?
― j/k lol simmons (history mayne), Thursday, 1 July 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
xpyeah, I'm not greek enough to subscribe to clear distinction between content and form, but I think calling identification of extra structural features in plato "finding hidden meanings" is nonsense. he seems like a nice guy.
― ogmor, Thursday, 1 July 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
idg how the interval between words 'matches' the spacing of the 12-note scale, though im pretty dumm
― j/k lol simmons (history mayne), Thursday, 1 July 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
the lengths of speeches, the position of speeches within thedialogues, the location of significant turns in the arguments, and theabsolute lengths of the dialogues all provide evidence for an underly-ing stichometric organisation and, in particular, for the importance of atwelve-part structure.
his points, when they are non-ridiculous and not about the golden ratio, are about the structure mirroring the content w/ forms that are maybe pythagorean. not sure how he's going to turn this into a best-selling book, esp if the jpeg upthread is anything to go by.
― ogmor, Thursday, 1 July 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link