Pauline Oliveros

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i meant 'pretentious' rather than 'pretension'

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Saturday, 26 June 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

gareth: that one with Dempster and Panaiotis is the first Deep Listening Band record, so stay on course with them: my favorite DLB record is 'Non Stop Flight', a live concert with an expanded band of Mills students; the first 25 minutes wanders a bit but locks in on track 6 with an extended 50 minute acoustic expanding drone, a real good one.

The one that's most like the first is 'Ready Made Boomerang', same lineup, same 45-second water cistern reverb. That lineup also recorded 'Troglodyte's Delight' in a cave filled with waterdrops dripping into deep pools, and the way the acoustic instruments rise out of the sounds & gradually go electronic is definitely worth hearing.

Her solo recordings can be roughly grouped into two: the 60's electronic tape-music improvisations, and the later works for solo microtonal accordion.

The tape music pieces range from huge slabs of drone to wild oscillator freak-outs, all manipulated with multiple tape delay & decay systems running in parallel, to build & layer her sounds in real time. I'd start with 'Electronic Works' on Paradigm: 'I of IV', 'Big Mother Is Watching You' & 'Bye Bye Butterfly'. I also like 'Alien Bog / Beautiful Soop', more diffuse. I never got into 'No Mo' as much as the previous two, not that it's bad music.

Recent stuff replaces the oscillators with her specially designed microtonal accordion stuff, which she plays into a range of digital delays, recently Max/MSP. The accordion produces flurries, air sounds, and bizarre sustained drones. Microtonal music can be an acquired taste, these are not soothing drones, they are drones that wake you up.

My favorite record of hers is 'Roots of the Moment'. Solo accordion, live recording. Moves through the flurries to some queasy landscapes to finally arrive in the last twenty minutes at an incredible mammoth chord that's simultaneously rock solid and skittering all over the place. Not pretty like Palestine's 'Strumming Music' but if you like La Monte Young or 'Four Violins' you need this record.

(Jon L), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

>Not pretty

I mean 'pretty' here in the light sense; 'Roots of the Moment' is an incredibly beautiful piece of music.

One more reference point for it's conclusion is James Tenney's 'Critical Band'.

(Jon L), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I love you Milton.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel like I should apologize

& one last recommendation if you like 'Deep Listening': seek out Stuart Dempster's 'Underground Overlays From The Cistern Chapel', where he returns to the water cistern with 9 other trombone students following his lead, mirroring his notes. From the 'Deep Listening' record you can pretty much imagine what this one sounds like.

(Jon L), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
listening right now to electronic works on the paradigm label. its really great. ill have to try out some of the deep listening stuff...

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a Deep Listening album - I've listened to it once and not very deeply I'm ashamed to admit

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

... it's called "Suspended Music"

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i've seen Pauline perform once or twice (amazing) and took a deep listening workshop with her (just for a night, but REALLY amazing), but i find listening to her records a bit of a bore in most cases

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

>"Suspended Music"

with Ellen Fullman. Not too big on that one as an album, though it sounds like it could have been a great concert. Ken's right, her music often loses a great deal in recorded form.

can't lose with these though:
Oliveros / Dempster / Panaiotis - Deep Listening
Deep Listening Band - Non Stop Flight
Oliveros - Roots of the Moment
Oliveros - Electronic Works

(Jon L), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

...is a very nice lady

Russ (Russ), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

She is! And brilliant and profoundly influential on my own thinking about music and playing and writing. I recently played "Six for New Time" with some other Yorkies. It was a great experience to work on that. Challenging and fun and it really forces you to listen carefully. The score is wonderful - a model of how to create an attractive and inviting open graphic score that still clearly explains everything the performer needs to do in simple language and concise form. Strikes just the right balance between leaving you room to play something different and give the piece variety and actually providing you with guidelines and a compositional structure you can work in.

Her ideas about breaking down performer/composer/listener boundaries, about deep listening, about interaction between performers, about music as therapeutic process are all things I've found really valuable.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i should take that back... it's not a 'bore' per se... it's just that her compositions are SO site-specific and make use of such complex sound systems (the octophonic system she used in detroit just destroyed me in the best way possible) that listening to a 2-channel CD recording of them does the performances a complete and total disservice

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.deeplistening.org/dlc/65olive.html#soop

i think that piece of equipment is familiar. (nudging gygax!.)

m.

msp (msp), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

haha,

scroll down (the pic links don't work anymore):

New Buchla analogue synthesiser modules!!!!!!!

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i feel awfully wrong doing this but i just can't help it...

http://gnv.fdt.net/~christys/light/oliveros.html

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

are you threatened by the sexuality of women, ken?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

or just their magic batons?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

that web page embodies everything that was wrong with web design in 1995.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link

if anything i was threatened by the weird lasers n shit going on in the background.. Disco Nihilist OTM

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i guess what i felt awful about, though, was that that pic just might completely offset the praises that we've been singing about pauline on this thread

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Oliveros: "when I was young I had a red courdouy hat"

(loud offscreen noise interrupts her, long pause)

Ashley: "that means you're telling the truth"

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 17 September 2005 07:23 (eighteen years ago) link

corduroy

episode five

start there

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 17 September 2005 07:25 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.ubu.com/sound/aether.html

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 17 September 2005 07:25 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
i like the deep listening album a lot, what should i get next?

terry lennox. (gareth), Sunday, 1 January 2006 10:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't heard Deep Listening, but my fave Oliveros album is "Pieces For Accordion & Voice."

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Sunday, 1 January 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I would go with Milton's recommendation upthread and hunt out "Roots Of The Moment". Good stuff.

sleeve (sleeve), Sunday, 1 January 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

deep listening band's 'non-stop flight'
stuart dempster's 'underground overlays from the cistern chapel'

eva, Monday, 2 January 2006 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Wow, just WOW.

Rock Hardy, Saturday, 24 March 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

to which one? get the dempster ones too

600, Saturday, 24 March 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Mostly Crone Music, but also Electronic Works and Deep Listening. It's all amazing.

Rock Hardy, Saturday, 24 March 2007 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

The Ready Made Boomerang is my favourite but yeah it's all amazing (apart from that Unquenchable Fire thing w/ Joe McPhee which sucks).

jed_, Saturday, 24 March 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Roots of the Moment was reissued last year, and it's probably on amazon

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=22230

Milton Parker, Saturday, 24 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i did a deep listening workshop in glasgow with Pauline O about 18 months ago. she's an incredible, inspirational woman.

jed_, Saturday, 24 March 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I concur with the love. Just today I found the "Accordion And Voice" album on Lovely Music from like 1981, so psyched to hear it. My favorite is Deep Listening I think. The one in the cistern.

sleeve, Sunday, 25 March 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I have corresponded with her girlfriend, whose ancestor was a famous black politician during Reconstruction. She wrote a book about her family. I've been researching something that touches upon her family history. Skot's g-g-g-g-grandfather knew Pauline Oliveros's ancestor.

Maria :D, Monday, 26 March 2007 02:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Not PO's, rather PO's girlfriend's (a family tree version of 7 degrees of separation)

Maria :D, Monday, 26 March 2007 02:49 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

finally listening to the new CD reissues of Accordion and Voice and The Wanderer -- happy that other labels are picking up the slack since Lovely doesn't seem as interested in reissuing some of their earlier albums, like Blue Gene Tyranny's Out of the Blue. the reissues are great -- these were her first full length solo albums I think? and notably all acoustic, no electronics at all, though the microtonal tuning on the accordions really give an edge. and the mini-gatefold covers are beautiful, the covers really make the albums

Accordion and Voice keeps things meditative & drony -- this heralds what she'd get up to later once she added real time electronic processing on Roots of the Moment, and sounds like what she brought to the group improv on Deep Listening. The Wanderer has uptempo ensemble works, a 23-strong accordion orchestra playing hopped up 7/8 swingtime minimalism, and there's a bonus track of her playing accordion with david tudor playing bandoneon -- also no electronics, and very pointilist / atonal, not droning, a few noisy outbursts. if you want to hear them improvise using electronics, there's the 17 minute noisy feedback sprawl "Applebox Double" from 1965 where she and Tudor rub and strike amplified wooden appleboxes with various household objects, it's on the ONCE Festival box set -- http://www.newworldrecords.org/album.cgi?rm=view&album_id=80567.

lots of new Oliveros CDs out, there's evidently a 30 minute bonus track on her reissue of Primordial Lift from the same sessions

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link

& thanks to dleone for spotting the discs, man does a terrifying version of toto's "africa" I forget almost everything from kevy b's kareoke party after the cuervo was opened

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

If you haven't heard it yet, you should chase down the fairly recent HAT reissue of Roots of the Moment, too. A really fine record, perhaps the best of her with accordian.

New World is also reissuing the David Behrman produced Columbia LPs of early Cage and Feldman piano this month/next month. Super psyched about that. I feel bad for those who threw down the $43 dollars for just the Cage 2CD Sony-Japan edition after seeing it on the recent FE update when both sets are going to be available together for about $30/$35

oo, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 22:24 (sixteen years ago) link

is the HAT reissue different from the original HAT CD of Roots (besides adding track marks?)

yes! http://www.newworldrecords.org/album.cgi?rm=view&album_id=81273

I love New World, I recently heard a tape of that 1959 Feldman album and it's kind of ground zero

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 22:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Actually, I wouldn't know if the Hat reissue is different. I only said that because it's what's available. I've got the original and I like it just fine, maybe better because I prefer the artwork on the old edition.

Is "ground zero" a good thing? Blue Gene does liners for the Cage/Feldman reissue.

oo, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 22:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I prefer the original packaging too

'ground zero' = the Feldman most people heard first. Feldman's 'Piece for Four Pianos' (where four pianists play the same score but choose their own tempo, staggering out the chords) is huge for me, and when I realized it was first released in 1959 it seemed like a missing piece of history because the way the piece sounds takes a certain precedent over the later Riley / Reich / Oliveros / Eno pieces that explore phasing & overlapping motives using tape loops. Riley's 'Music For The Gift' and Eno's 'Music for Airports' in particular are very much following up on 'Piece for Four Pianos'. so it's great to see that coming back into print.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

:)

Dominique, Thursday, 19 July 2007 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Ha what a great picture! I've actually been listening to her a lot lately, actually this piece and the Primordial Lift stuff. It's awesome! I'm eager to hear more of her work.

Mark Clemente, Thursday, 19 July 2007 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I missed a free deep listening workshop the other month cos I went to sleep. I am a fucking dope.

President Evil, Friday, 20 July 2007 04:41 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Her turntablism

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 22 November 2007 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

I got Accordion Koto with Miya Masaoka while I was in SF...so good.

Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 26 August 2008 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

the new Sub Rosa compilation Four Electronic Pieces 1959-1966 is fantastic, especially the first two pieces. they are living beasts and ten mazes ahead.

I thought we'd heard the best of her 60's electronic music by now, but I was wrong, this one is just as sharp as Electronic Works. Alien Bog / Beautiful Soop, No Mo, & A Little Noise In The System are the other three releases of her 60's improvisations, unique and wonderful but in enough of a similar mode that I don't play them as often (though when I'm in the mood, 'A Little Noise In The System' is really enjoyably uncompromising & relentless, it's flat out noise but it's more about curiosity than a display of power)

But this new one! 'Mnemonics III' is basically an extra 18 minutes of the setup she used for 'Bye Bye Butterfly', but instead of the plunderphonic sample detour, the oscillators just keep stretching

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 22:57 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.citypages.com/2012-12-26/arts/2012-artists-of-the-year/

See page 7.

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 27 December 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

http://monoskop.org/log/?p=6568

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:16 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

12 cd box set of "early and unreleased electronic work" anyone?

http://boomkat.com/cds/1046954-pauline-oliveros-reverberations-tape-electronic-music-1961-1970-reissue

(oh, was out in 2012, now repressed along with a couple of others - The Wanderer, Accordion and Voice)

koogs, Friday, 5 September 2014 10:14 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

She posts my favorite kitten and bunny videos on Facebook.

warning, #4 can't be unseen (WilliamC), Saturday, 11 October 2014 23:55 (nine years ago) link

deep kittening

grayson m'razz (wins), Saturday, 11 October 2014 23:59 (nine years ago) link

kitten cistern

j., Sunday, 12 October 2014 01:21 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

hearing reports that Pauline Oliveros died on Thanksgiving :(

Dominique, Friday, 25 November 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link

RIP Pauline ;_;

So happy I got to see her perform last year.

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Friday, 25 November 2016 22:44 (seven years ago) link

I did a deep listening workshop with her and then saw her perform around a decade ago. She was an amazing unique beauty. RIP.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 25 November 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link

she casually gave me incredible advice at key points in my development; knowledge just kind of came up out of her.

and she was more lucid and healthy looking every year I saw her, this just seems impossible & I wouldn't believe this news… if it weren't 2016

love

Milton Parker, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:03 (seven years ago) link

aw no. i've been following her on Facebook for a good while now and she has always been a treat. love her music and love her attentiveness to sound. RIP Pauline

brex yourself before you wrex yourself (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:03 (seven years ago) link

yeah when she got into Second Life, her online presence really became a particularly surreal treat

https://monoskop.org/images/2/29/Oliveros_Pauline_Software_for_People_Collected_Writings_1963-80.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QHfOuRrJB8

Milton Parker, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link

:( RIP

hero

a but (brimstead), Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:18 (seven years ago) link

Ah jeez, RIP.

Her workshop and performance at Big Ears #1 were so important to me -- really changed my head, my perception of music, my perception of perception.

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:39 (seven years ago) link

Oh, 2016. I can't even start to process this one.

sleeve, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:49 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMCTxkFwLHw

flappy bird, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:54 (seven years ago) link

Saw her at the Vancouver Art Gallery in 2008 - everyone sitting on the floor, tranquil beauty straight to the skull. RIP.

Ross, Saturday, 26 November 2016 01:07 (seven years ago) link

video for tonight = pauline's interview / increasingly invasive beauty makeover from robert ashley's 'music with roots in the aether'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuDG1ijMPiw&list=PLNOvB4KfnCVvYM1wHIKac_VOr6m371xA7&index=5

Milton Parker, Saturday, 26 November 2016 01:41 (seven years ago) link

Listening to I of IV now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLSFRmmTTjo

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Saturday, 26 November 2016 02:01 (seven years ago) link

I've been thinking today about her ideas and techniques and how they relate to feminism and traditional gender socialization. Namely, the idea that as a musician you should listen to the other musicians, or as a performer that you should be attentive to the audience.

sarahell, Saturday, 26 November 2016 02:08 (seven years ago) link

:-(

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 November 2016 12:15 (seven years ago) link

RIP :/

Michael F Gill, Saturday, 26 November 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJrJ4pNqDNc

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 26 November 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link

RIP, she made some seriously powerful music.

tylerw, Monday, 28 November 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link

the idea that as a musician you should listen to the other musicians, or as a performer that you should be attentive to the audience

not to diss Pauline but these are not her ideas, they are pretty fundamental tenets of group improvisation

RIP

heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 28 November 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link

https://frieze.com/article/pauline-oliveros-1932-2016

Pleasant piece.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 December 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link

Interesting radio programme on BBC Radio 4 tonight which was about 50% interviews with Pauline Oliveros - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b083n4sc

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 5 December 2016 21:31 (seven years ago) link

three years pass...

reissue alert (or first vinyl issue alert I guess): https://importantrecords.com/products/oliveros-dempster-panaiotis-deep-listening-band-2lp

I just discovered this album recently and found it completely absorbing.

The Troops™ (jamescobo), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 23:54 (four years ago) link

yes, i love that one.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:10 (four years ago) link

i nearly bought that today but the shippimng just made it too much. Hopefully copies will make it over here shortly.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:40 (four years ago) link

That record is all time

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link

And mortality sucks :(

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link

xps that's my favorite release of hers by quite a ways, absolutely essential

sleeve, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 19:24 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

I can't get enough of this at the moment (along with Radigue). The Deep Listening album is just stupendous and from there I'm tending to go straight to Stuart Dempster's solo stuff: In the Great Abbey of St. Clement and Underground Overlays from the Cistern Chapel. It's answering a need I can't quite define.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 6 September 2020 10:39 (three years ago) link


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