Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Welcome To The Pleasure Dome C/D

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I like it.

Mzui, you're back! So um about a certain CDR project... ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 December 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Back from NYC, all is good, I've started the packages, done the cd dupes, just waiting for a good moment to slip down to the expo shop and get the covers printed and cut.

mzui (mzui), Saturday, 10 December 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

:-D :-D :-D

What an Xmas gift this will be! (I have Dr. C's address if you need it.)

Back to the subject at hand -- I am actually interested in this album in the light of Simon R.'s use of it and Frankie as the end-point of Rip It Up and Start Again. As he sees it, it was the conclusion of 'post-punk/new pop' in terms of The Future -- "On one level, you could see Frankie as punk's last blast. But on another deeper, structural level, Frankie were a taste of pop things to come -- the return of the boy band. Perhaps that accounts for the curious hollowness, even at the height of Frankiemania, to the phenomenon."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 December 2005 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Great review, Ned, but four stars? It's a three-and-a-half stars "very-good-but-let's-not-get-crazy" record if there ever were one...

Incidentally, one of the main problems w/ the record is the degree to which it pales in comparison to the singles. In particular, the Fruitness Mix of the title track is just outstanding.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 10 December 2005 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Frankie were a curious mixture of the laddish 'Claudia! Give us a bloooooooooowwwwww!' and the uber pretentious.
Morley presented a FACE magazine style non image for them to hide behind but the tabloids soon outed them It seemed at the time they were initially scared of the band or maybe just careful, then realising they were just beer monsters that gave great copy with their antics around town they became media badboys. So I guess thats one punk parallel you could draw.

mzui (mzui), Saturday, 10 December 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I admit I haven't finished Rip It Up & Start Again. I've been in school the last few months, no time to deal with it. I left off in the Pere Ubu section. Now that school is over for the quarter I can get started on it. Except that I've got this Nietzsche book I'm dying to read as well...

Vinegar and Artichoke Hearts (Bimble...), Saturday, 10 December 2005 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

ned was right, this is 4 stars. god bless him, for allmusic would be a motley crew of former record store employees with nothing better to do than rate the sound's "heads and hearts" a measly 3 1/2 stars. (that is clearly a 5 star lp). can we not clone the man? has he ever made an incorrect review? i don't think so.

corey c (shock of daylight), Thursday, 22 December 2005 08:49 (eighteen years ago) link

cant wait for ZTT to sort out a proper FGTH boxset where we get the decent stuff in a gorgeous 3cd box a la Act/Andrew Poppy etc .. (tis surely only a matter of time)

never heard any of the modern remixes - are any of them any good or is it a case of stick with the 80's 12" and avoid the new ones ?

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 22 December 2005 10:14 (eighteen years ago) link

cant wait for ZTT to sort out a proper FGTH boxset where we get the decent stuff in a gorgeous 3cd box a la Act/Andrew Poppy etc .. (tis surely only a matter of time)

Agreed. They've done those Twelve-Inches (har) sets, but a box would be fun. Plus, the Act set is outstanding...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I seem to have followers. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

stop logging out, ned.

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link


one of the best double albums of all time. and it was all *paul morely* 's idea!! fleetingly fantastic, frequently over the top, needed editing of course but the *peaks*? boy oh boy those peaks. up there with much of the peak mid 80's trevor horn stuff.

pretty much the biggest british band in terms of singles sales and press fuss between the fabs and the gallaghers. good on em. well 'ard. etc.

piscesboy, Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

stop logging out, ned.

Too lazy to do that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Great record that trumped the bombast of a very bombastic decade, with covers of the then-considered-way-uncool "Born to Run" and "Do You Know the Way to San Jose?" and such overtly heterosexual numbers as "Crisco Kisses." Also loved the shameless merchandise insert--you could sport a smart pair of FGTH socks for a small fortune.

Anyone remember the backlash T-shirts, the ones that read "UP YOURS FRANKIE"?

Terrible Cold (Terrible Cold), Thursday, 22 December 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I decided to skip ahead in Rip It Up & Start Again just to read the last chapter (well before the "afterchapter"). Greatly enjoyed the explanation of ZTT/Frankie, more than I have other parts of the book. I'm not sure he always handles the homosexual issue very well, though. I can't see how just because Frankie covered Born To Run, they gave it a "homoerotic" aspect. It's a love song.

Halloween Spooky Party Hints! (Bimble...), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I always wanted those tattoos. As a 10 year old, I think they were the cheapest thing available, so were within pocket money realms.

Shooz (shooz), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone remember the backlash T-shirts, the ones that read "UP YOURS FRANKIE"?

Please tell me Paul Morley was behind them.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Does any part of Krisco Kisses remind anyone of Frank Sinatra himself? I feel that the first verse goes there.

Chilling, Thrilling Sounds of The Haunted House (Bimble...), Saturday, 24 December 2005 07:45 (eighteen years ago) link

The Only Star In Heaven is also very good. Was this one of those that was supposed to be more attributable to the band than Trevor Horn and co.?

Still I don't remember their second album being very good at all. A shame.

Chilling, Thrilling Sounds of The Haunted House (Bimble...), Saturday, 24 December 2005 08:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Say that reminds me: I can add this to my double-albums-with-a-twist thread of a coupla weeks ago!

iYet Another Redundant "Double LPs" Thread...but with a fairly interesting variation

As for the MUSIC, I wish they'd included the (superior) alternate mix of "Two Tribes" - the version that was used in the video. That GREBT video with the death-match between Ronald Reagan and Konstantin Chernenko (look him up, youngsters.) But inferior or not, it's still the LPs high point, if you ask me.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Saturday, 24 December 2005 09:27 (eighteen years ago) link

There are two or three great songs on Liverpool IMHO.

mzui (mzui), Saturday, 24 December 2005 11:21 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
But here's the real question: why the hell hasn't Pleasure Dome received the deluxe remastered 2-disc treatment? The second disc could include all the original 7" and 12" mixes, and it would all be brilliant. I mean, c'mon, The Lexicon of Love got the treatment, and this is damned near as great...

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

No, it's not.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

This from Mr. Can't Slow Down.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

The only caveat I'd add to your review, Ned, is that Steve Howe shouldn't have plotzed at the results: Pleasure Dome IS prog-rock.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

The production still holds up. The songs don't (as if they ever did)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

The only caveat I'd add to your review, Ned, is that Steve Howe shouldn't have plotzed at the results: Pleasure Dome IS prog-rock.

I didn't say *Howe* plotzed, more like what stereotypical Yes fans might have thought of it. Dare I say.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Long tracks and high ambitions don't mean it's prog (or, do you define "Electric Ladyland" as prog?)

The song structures on "...Pleasure Dome" are pretty much traditional all the way. The title track may last for 13 minutes, but other than the intro and outro, it keeps to the same mood and groove throughout, with none of the mood changes and dymanic changes that are typical of prog.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:50 (seventeen years ago) link

It's curious why it hasn't been given the 2CD redux treatment - I mean, even ACT got a 3CD retrospective (not that they deserved it)! - unless the residual animosity between band and record company is still so great that they won't entertain the prospect.

A second CD as proposed above might be the greatest CD ever made, come to think of it...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:00 (seventeen years ago) link

There was a new special version being released rather recently. Not sure what it contained, but it sure consisted of 2 CDs.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Couldn't find it on Amazon.

There was a recent upgrade of the original CD, with proper cover and inserts, but no 2CD package as such (at least not in the UK).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:11 (seventeen years ago) link

There was a 20th anniversary release in 2004. The sleeve has a black background other than white, but does otherwise contain the original cover art. Still not quite managed to figure out which tracks the second disc contained.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah, I've found it now - it was a German issue; there were two bonus tracks on CD1 (the two Morley interview B-sides) but CD2 was a DVD containing all the videos.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:35 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

"we get buzzed off the fact that warhol's heard of us,
because he got buzzed off the fact that picasso had heard of him"

BANG!

pisces, Thursday, 11 October 2007 00:58 (sixteen years ago) link

six years pass...

That bassline on 'Wish The Lads Were Here'!

...and the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe and SAW! (Turrican), Friday, 20 June 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link

timely revival.

anyone tempted by the new boxset ?

as much as i love the whole excess of ztt, i have to admit that this boxset does nothing for me.

which is a massive letdown as i really wanted the definitive FGTH boxset of this album.

i.e. remastered version. multiple cds of all the commercially available remixes/b-sides. cd of extras.

+ big f*ck off print of the original inner sleeve artwork ...

but hey ..

mark e, Friday, 20 June 2014 23:04 (nine years ago) link

am totally down with the big print idea

piscesx, Saturday, 21 June 2014 00:47 (nine years ago) link

I want the new box but the pledgemusic pages says not available to US backers

Edward Bax, Saturday, 21 June 2014 20:34 (nine years ago) link

boo ..

knowing ztt there will be probably be a usa exclusive edition with a very subtle difference ..

mark e, Saturday, 21 June 2014 21:35 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

I've been listening to this album a fair amount over the last couple of days after the recent Frankie singles poll, and it's been really hitting the spot for me. However, I'm thinking that the tracklisting on the original CD issue is superior to the vinyl version: the first CD issue replaces the album version of 'Two Tribes' with the Annihilation mix (even though it keeps the 'For The Victims of Ravishment' title) and merges it with 'The Last Voice' and gets rid of the section with Chris Barrie doing the "Prince Charles talking about orgasms" bit, and it replaces 'Ferry (Go)' and 'San Joe (The Way)' (which I've never liked) and replaces them with the far superior 'Happy Hi!' ... Side One and Side Four are basically represented in the same way on the original CD.

Turrican, Saturday, 3 October 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link

So what's the definitive version of this album? I swear, this band has like 60 billion different versions of every goddamn thing they released.

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 3 October 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link

seven months pass...

Just picked up the 2CD 25th anniversary remaster of this, having never listened to it before. Phew!

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 1 June 2016 08:03 (seven years ago) link


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