Battlestar Galactica Revival

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not thinking about "earth" stuff appearing in "alien" culture

waht this is not an alien culture

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:31 (sixteen years ago) link

but they have earthly stuff plus check out my inverted commas

RJG, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

bit of a tearjerker that one

totally!

also rjg, stick with it, it only gets better

cutty, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

what do you mean - that they all look like humans? that they have names similar to ancient earth cultures? that they developed telephones? I don't get it... I mean its made rather sledgehammer-obvious that the colonies' cultures are precursors/contemporaries of earth's.

x-post

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link

like why wouldn't you expect them to develop pants and whiskey and poker chips and have dogs for pets

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link

precursors?

cutty, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link

(and actually while I really enjoy it I'm not sure I would say it gets better - the miniseries has yet to be topped imho)

yeah precursors like they had their thing going and then a colony got lost and left for earth - are you sure you're watching this show?

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link

in old battlestar there was the line "some say life here began out there"

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link

i never got the impression that this was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, i thought it was the future

i'm only halfway through season two though

cutty, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost - but it's not actually made entirely clear in this series that this is what's going on, nor that it's not way in the future anyway

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link

and when i said it only gets better, all i know is up to the tearjerker i said i just watched upthread, remember?

cutty, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm really glad a friend of mine has all my battlestar cds b/c i wld watch that ep right now without hesistation and i have lots of work to do

rjg your inverted commas are really great

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link

okay sorry didn't mean to spoil anything - rrobyn is nevertheless correct that the chronology is left ambiguous

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:45 (sixteen years ago) link

apology not accepted

cutty, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:45 (sixteen years ago) link

*cries*

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link

sledgehammer-ambiguous

jeff, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:53 (sixteen years ago) link

*lols*

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Adama's big speech about earth at the end of the miniseries = pretty fuckin obvious

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link

hey did you notice how many of the characters have names from ancient earth cultures? WHOAH

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link

you know what I mean

if this was supposed to be an alien lifeform/culture that has, as a surprise, evolved/developed exactly along the same lines as that of earth has except they know all about space and have better guns and don't know about "fuck", well, fine. but this is twelve-thirteenths of an ancient civilisation that has been apart from the other thirteenth since no-one can remember and that thirteenth came to earth and joined in w/ life here? at what point? did they know the planet they were heading for when they left the rest of them? did they bring their culture and knowledge, so far, and got everyone to pretend they didn't know all about space and got them to change it to "fuck"? were these names and their number system and slang and so on theirs and they brought it w/ them even though they appear at certain points in earth's own history? maybe they revealed it bit by bit so it didn't seem suspicious. perhaps all the names, etc, in this television programme are just being replaced w/ earthly approximations to colour it for earthly viewing. these are pointless questions but about things that occasionally pass through, probably, a lot of the minds of people who watch this and other, similar science-fiction stuff and slightly unsuspend your disbelief. when they choose to call a ship "the olympic carrier" and people "apollo" and "thrace" and "hot dog", well, it makes me, at least, think "um", occasionally, whether I want to or not. like when the camera flies about in space and zooms in on a particular ship and I think "am I supposed to be thinking about this being filmed by a person that is in space?". that's all!

all your crossposts

RJG, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:00 (sixteen years ago) link

there are many clues but still ambiguity as to actual time
one issue with that is, like, why are there no battlestars and why am i not in a spaceship right now
did they all fall out of the ship and onto earth and forget about space technology and then build aqueducts instead?
xpost yep

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link

omg apollo is british?!

cutty, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link

their trick of making me think "well, this isn't like it is on earth" is cutting all the corners of their letters and maps and playing cards and tables

RJG, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link

hahaha
in the future/past there are no right angles

apollo actor *is* british!

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:05 (sixteen years ago) link

so why doesn't battlestar galactica have any british people?

cutty, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:06 (sixteen years ago) link

did they all fall out of the ship and onto earth and forget about space technology and then build aqueducts instead?

Angry monotheism God followed them to earth and punished humanity by trapping us here/making us forget our true nature, etc.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:06 (sixteen years ago) link

i mean they have a mexican and a mulatto, don't they

cutty, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:06 (sixteen years ago) link

(iow what PKD/Grant Morrison/crazy gnostics and Peruvian UFO watchers said)

x-post

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

oh i guess gaius is britishes

cutty, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

gaius is so very english

crosspost

RJG, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

still doesnt make sense to me--was there a britain on caprica?

cutty, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:08 (sixteen years ago) link

okay I admit that one occurred to me too - but I do appreciate the Gaius = Britishes = Roman (specifically Caligula) connection

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:09 (sixteen years ago) link

dear britishes - why do the evil people in sci-fi films always have british accents. thx from an american

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Gaius = Britishes = Roman?

sometimes they're german or english doing german accents

RJG, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link

um yeah there was this thing called the Roman Empire that the British Empire was rather deeply endebted to.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Gaius is the only Roman name on the show too, afaic

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:14 (sixteen years ago) link

on rome all the romans have british accents

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:15 (sixteen years ago) link

wait til you get to near the end of season 3, when Gaius goes all class warrior and starts fucking around with his accent

xp: every bit of sci fi since star wars has british accents, since in lazy(?) shorthand for an american audience, british accent = imperial

kingfish, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:21 (sixteen years ago) link

certain british accents are decidedly not imperial tho

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link

this goes outside sci-fi obv too

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link

certain british accents are decidedly not imperial tho

-- rrrobyn, Thursday, 14 June 2007 09:23 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

So, like, is that why the lawyer dude is Irish rather than, say, English? Coz the bro is tortally not imperialist? He's just busting out some "justice is blind" bullshit, but he's still, like, part of teh imperial tenticles whoa.

?

Drooone, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I demand all future bad guys to have Parthian or Hunnish accents.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:29 (sixteen years ago) link

um yeah there was this thing called the Roman Empire that the British Empire was rather deeply endebted to.

in terms of being called "an empire"?

RJG, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link

sorry, I meant

um yeah in terms of being called "an empire"?

RJG, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:35 (sixteen years ago) link

oh, inverted comma

cutty, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:38 (sixteen years ago) link

i think cylon xena just has an australian accent, if only a slight one
and there are plenty of canadian accents masquerading as 'neutral' or something

,,empire,,

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link

um yeah, Xena is a ,,kiwi,, but she might be doing a bit of strine.

Drooone, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:44 (sixteen years ago) link

I meant ,,strine,, obvs

Drooone, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:45 (sixteen years ago) link

ohnoes i totally mixed up aus and nz! i even know the difference
oh well
accents

rrrobyn, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I actually thought she sounded more Australian than Kiwi on BSG anyway.

Drooone, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 23:52 (sixteen years ago) link


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