Best song on Kate Bush's Hounds Of Love

we're totally on the same page: the very first time i heard kate bush i heard the work of genius. i've heard tori amos countless times and have never ever been drawn into her music

lol @ the notion that people outside ILM have to have this hyperdetailed, aspie-level perception of similarities between musical artists or else they're LOLable

i don't think anybody really said that in the span of this conversation. i think all that was suggested is that Hounds of Love and Aerial are 2 albums that are pretty different than "tori amos."

but i guess not to a lot of people LOL

:D

They *are* very different, I agree; but "brings to mind Tori Amos" isn't equal to "reducing" the album to "is a direct Tori fascimile" and isn't that ludicrous a statement considering the obvious signifiers involved, really.

...especially coming from soneone who might not be as invested in analyzing & discussing music as some of the people here.

i don't know what the last part of your statement means, really

but the original statement was actually "just brings to mind Tori Amos"

the "just" means a lot there, and it's pretty LOLable

That the statement "just brings to mind Tori Amos" coming from someone who isn't invested in analyzing music so much isn't ludicrous as a casual remark. But w/e.

no, it's not ludicrous. and i didn't say it was. i just said it made me laugh.

the "just" means a lot there, and it's pretty LOLable

ok. fine. to be completely honest, to hear this album and think "just brings to mind tori amos" does seem kind of ludicrous. purely on a sonic level. the insturmentation, the style. i can understand hearing a parallel, but for that to be your only reaction (which is what "just" suggests) is odd to me. not insulting, not annoying, just odd.

i'm not a kate snob, and i don't retaliate against tori analogies with the venom a lot of other people do. i just find it bizarre.

did you know that "just" is the most used word in the written english language?

Probably, and that even makes her statement LESS definitive than you're perceiving it to be. :)

not really. the "just" in that statement is pretty clearly used to mean "only."

i think it's rather silly for you to assume that i'm one of those people who looks down on those who so much as mention tori in the context of a kate bush conversation. never have been. i just find this particular observation off the mark.

lol surm, I see what you did there

lol i don't even know what i did, i just know it's 5pm and i'm arguing with ppl on the internet

look, this is one of her 2 masterpieces - i think it's fairly understandable and innocuous for someone to perceive the statement "eh just reminds me of tori amos" as sort of loopy. (yes i took my liberties with the "eh" but whatever). that's about it.

Well I gotta jet, but I do sincerely hope the unquestionable brilliance of this album isn't further toyed with by the unwashed masses.

ahhhahahahahahahahahahahaha you really are missing the point aren't u

it's like u decided to get annoyed at me for taking a stance that i'm not even taking.

"Cloudbusting" is still such a great song.

Props to Turangalila for repping for Mrs. McBB, who indeed couldn't care less what you lot LOL at. She's a good sport with all the nonsense I make her listen to, and even quite likes some of it, INCLUDING KATE BUSH. Only on ILM would such an innocuous remark cause such a stir...

i don't expect her to care about what i find funny. if she did, i would be worried about you, and your wife. i was making a very simple point, not to be lumped in with the protests of Kate/Tori analogy haters everywhere. Turangalila, in a characteristic move, decided to get uppity about something that was more forgettable than he painted it to be. I do not claim that this album is too brilliant for reproach, and I do not think it's above comparisons made from a distance. I was merely expressing an opinion, one no more or less valuable than your wife's. After all, i am a firm believer in the perspective of the non-expert in any given arena (in this case, Mrs McBB, an avid mainstream-ist), and sometimes find such perspectives even more valuable than those entrenched in the field.

After all, i am a firm believer in the perspective of the non-expert in any given arena (in this case, Mrs McBB, an avid mainstream-ist), and sometimes find such perspectives even more valuable than those entrenched in the field.

This is a very good point. Given how little I've listened to pop over the last 20 years it's useful to hear folks with a different perspective comment on some of the things I listen to - it sometimes makes me reconsider my opinions.

sorry for all the words T. <3 u now and forever

i love what happened here

wow you guys can really be dicks about kate bush

also if you don't the average person would think kate bush was kinda like tori amos, as opposed to being more like, say, ac/dc or levert or georgia satellites or ma$e or miles davis or mahler or the strokes or boards of canada, well, yr wrong....they are gonna think...woah gothy witchy type chick who can sing crazy

true, true.

nothing wrong with that. i've just never really heard it.

kate is 1000000x better obv but that's what i thought when i first heard her cuz i guess tori was just more of a big artist when i was in HS and college and you didn't hear much kate bush in the u.s.

lol u young

or wait, am I old?

;_;

kate is 1000000x better obv

noooooo not obv

YES

NO

lol u young

or wait, am I old?

;_;

― he does NOT have the training (HI DERE), Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:42 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wait? i thought we were around the same age...her first album wiki sez was 92, i graduated in 93

I graduated in 91 but was all up in Kate Bush's grill from when Hounds of Love came out in 86.

Hi! Can we talk about how good some of the B-sides are?

Under the Ivy is one of my favorite KT songs.

i've never heard it :/

Here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLaUgi1AzC0

Sorry about the shitty video though.

i love "be kind to my mistakes"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaB8eUDkiX4

Love them both.

it's a 'the dreaming'-era b-side but i love her version of 'lord of the reedy river'

sorry for all the words T. <3 u now and forever

― janice (surm), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 13:23 (3 hours ago) Permalink

My apologies, too. There is certainly no hostility between us. I get a little carried away in responding sometimes.

haha! AND I DON'T

will listen to these b-sides as soon as my coworker turns off phil collins radio

I graduated in 91 but was all up in Kate Bush's grill from when Hounds of Love came out in 86.

― he does NOT have the training (HI DERE), Wednesday, July 21, 2010 4:27 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

probably just the difference between growing up in way southern minnesota and the relatively "cosmopolitan" hastings...

oooooooooo i just know that something good is gonna happen