all i said is that i think its worthwhile for discussion to observe the kinds of critical biases that work to elevate part 1 at the expense of part 2, its not at all about questioning the lex's RIGHT AND TRUE reasons for preferring pt 1 that evade typical ITS AN AGGRESSIVE DIFFICULT POLITICAL RECORD media hype but to observe why critics tend to line up IN GENERAL & IN LARGER NUMBERS on one side rather than the other. i could prefer pt 1 (i dont) & still make this argument
maybe if you want to have that argument in general, this thread isn't the best place for it? it's a worthwhile topic but i don't think it's going to get anywhere here.
― king boy swag (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
but my point was that in discussing the record i think its an important concept to be aware of
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
being self-aware of that kind of thing is kind of what ilx is all about at its best
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm with deej here, i think there are elements of pt 2 that are better executed than on part 1 (melodies, clarity, etc.), but i don't think it's particularly shocking statement to say that the album that's more formally ambitious and artier is going to get more critical attention. and this isn't to say that anyone who likes pt 1 better is wrong or likes it for the wrong reasons.
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
come to think of it, arguing about that as the main point of a thread would be real obnoxious, making it as a contextual argument when discussing a record to which it applies is useful, unless dudes get unneccessarily butthurt abt it
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i will say this, you characterize pt. 2 as more "personal", and while it may or may not be more personal to erykah (i'm sure she poured as much of herself into pt. 1, but being that i'm not erykah badu, i can't exactly say which is more personal to her) but pt. 1 is sure as hell more personal to me, which is to say i more directly identify with it and feel it says more about myself than pretty much any album i've heard
― king boy swag (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not butthurt, just kind of annoyed
― king boy swag (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
but keep up w/ the ad homs
― king boy swag (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
New board description.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
when i called pt2 "personal" - scare quotes intentional as it's totally reductive shorthand - it was more going with erykah's own left brain/right brain distinction between the two
i've actually brought up the inevitability of an album w/pt1's qualities getting more critical praise than an album w/pt2's qualities elsewhere on ilx, but i think a more appropriate comparison might be between pt 1 and mama's gun, which i think of as a monumental work on or near pt1's level, but which got a fraction of the critical luv.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link
but i think a more appropriate comparison might be between pt 1 and mama's gun, which i think of as a monumental work on or near pt1's level, but which got a fraction of the critical luv.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:39 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
thats just not accurate
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
callin u butthurt is not ad hom, im not tying yr butthurt state to the quality of your argument
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
& i havent had any arguments about REV at all itt! thats the problem w your argument, it seems to be assuming im saying all this personal stuff that im not.
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:41 PM Suggest Ban PermalinkBookmark
that's laughable. argue that your direct attacks and general arguments are unconnected all you want, but that doesn't mean the former doesn't weaken the latter.
and yeah, mama's gun is brilliant, but it certainly got its fair share of adulation both at the time and now
― king boy swag (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
im calling u butthurt to troll you, not to suggest that yr argument is not legitimate bcuz of your butthurtedness -- look up 'ad hominem'
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
yr getting butthurt for no reason -- u keep assuming i was making personal attacks on you & yr opinions on these records. so i said you were butthurt for no reason, which you then argued was a continued personal attack
http://api.ning.com/files/dkqsBrTDVZKY2*2OkzJvHn4bIcfPWvqDCxw8IxgysFruGKwM1jB-hxhHaMBVOqBYu18bIMWpnARKZvsm3kv*qrhyn1hGtzls/MobiusStrip.jpg
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry i forgot intentional trolling is conducive to quality discussion, but if you're going to admit to that, i'm just going to call a dnftt and say goodday.
― king boy swag (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
now im convinced youre trolling
― NOT FUNNY NEEDS MORE GUCCI (deej), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
deej be kinda jabbing the finger here but given some of the moronic stuff said before re "half-assed" and "no songs" or whatever it's fair & reasonable game imo
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
not quite sure how sex love & intimacy add up to a narrower aesthetic bandwidth than underwater stovetops but ok
― r|t|c, Thursday, 1 April 2010 18:38 (4 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i never said either of those things so ¯\(°_o)/¯
― king boy swag (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
hey mr butthurt did i even mention you
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 25 August 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
ha
― king boy swag (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
wtf is going on here? When did this turn into a Kant discussion?
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
New Amerykant
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 25 August 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
there are things I like about pt. 2: there's a lot of respect to be gained by repping for the hopeless--the pornstars, thugs, and prescription pill addicts--but the fact that she's also willing to identify (at least somewhat) with the gold-digger in "Turn Me Away" and the two-timing girlfriend in "You Loving Me"--I don't really hear a lot of condemnation in either of those tracks--there's something kind of special about that...
― ranked #12 amongst 'false metallers' (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
haha you may not hear the condemnation but it's there, when i asked her about "turn me away" she was pretty clear on that. i guess that's why she sings it in that mocking girlish voice
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
oh well
― ranked #12 amongst 'false metallers' (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link
been listening to na pt 2 a lot lately
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Monday, 18 October 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
been never stopped listening to it lately
― gay nerd fuel (Eric H.), Monday, 18 October 2010 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
oh uh-oh, dropped your knotscooped it up, put it in my sock
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Monday, 18 October 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Erykah_Badu_FEP.jpg
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Monday, 18 October 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
now that is a picture
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 18 October 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
was just listening to this again this morning. i actually think i like it better than p.1
― Mordy, Monday, 18 October 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck Jill Scott. She's the smiling, fat black lady that sings about love and non threatening things. She's exactly the same bullshit kind of black artist the white american music honchos want you to listen to. Thats why she's embraced by the industry. Its called 'The Mammy Syndrome' and its exactly what Miles hated about Satchmo. Erykah is strong, funky and has an actually message within her lyrics which is why you'll never see 'Bag Lady' on mtv in the states.
― http://i54.tinypic.com/11l4yvn.gif, Friday, July 20, 2001 5:00 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark
it's from 9 years ago, so whatever, but it's amazing to me that this shit was ever tolerated. just fucking blown away.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 18 October 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
OMG
― ilxor is awesome what the fuck are you guys on about (ilxor), Monday, 18 October 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
wait.. http://i54.tinypic.com/11l4yvn.gif ?
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Monday, 18 October 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
― straight outta furnace (The Reverend), Monday, 18 October 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I saw "Bag Lady" on both MTV and VH1 a lot actually, back when they showed videos
― MC Tramp Stamp (HI DERE), Monday, 18 October 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
and YES, it was a huge fucking hit, all over MTV
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Monday, 18 October 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
that gif is intense
― tylerw, Monday, 18 October 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i54.tinypic.com/11l4yvn.gif
― tylerw, Monday, 18 October 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
haha, sorry couldn't resist
It's her only pop top ten.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 October 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
"Love of My Life (An Ode to Hip-Hop)"
― MC Tramp Stamp (HI DERE), Monday, 18 October 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Solo, that is.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 October 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait I thought her very first single, "On & On" was a big pop hit as well? Plus, what was up with ILM and hating R&B/pop artist back in the early 2000s? I read old threads and people were just blindly hateful. Now that hatred is directed towards "indie" bands now.
― lilsoulbrother, Monday, 18 October 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Nope.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 October 2010 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
XD