amateurist, i have a question,

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pasolini is so great, and sad but i just realised ive seen almost none of his shit, mamma roma is so nice esp when its comedy, im starting to understand ppl saying those period italian films are kind of superior, just so dressed, vaguely dusty period pieces

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Salo features lots of his shit.

Scream! Scrovula, Scream! (noodle vague), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

60s/70s italian cinema is the shit, 'they' need to look beyond spaghetti westerns + drop some bellocchio on us.

i didn't enjoy 'salo'.

n_RQ, Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Salo a lot. I don't know how familiar you are with the 120 Days of Sodom, but against that perspective Salo comes off mostly as a playful lampooning of the Fascists (and prob'ly, by extended analogy, the authorities in 70s Italy).

Scream! Scrovula, Scream! (noodle vague), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

you cd probably guess i haven't read '120 DOS', but i get the impression it's unfilmable as written. i think i like aspects of PPP but he's kind of not good at pulling all of it together, you know? in the later stuff anyway. i must see 'oedpus re'.

n_RQ, Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I do mostly prefer the 60s stuff to the later stuff and Salo's kind of an exception to that rule. 120 Days is pretty much unfilmable, unless it was shot as the least erotic porn movie ever. It starts to get unspeakably horrible round about Day 30. The villains in the 120 Days are portrayed by Sade as these super-icons of badness, whereas the villains in Salo are, well, a bit shit and inept really. Pasolini even at the end of his career does long shots on fascinating faces really well.

Scream! Scrovula, Scream! (noodle vague), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

election is smug and awful, there's like a billion teen movies better than that one.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

The Right Stuff
Before Sunset
Running on Empty
Eyes Wide Shut
Gates of Heaven
Do the Right Thing
High and Low
Days of Heaven
All the President's Men
Rear Window

Life is Beautiful
Natural Born Killers
Signs
Jerry Maguire
One Hundred and One Dalmatians
Trainspotting
Best In Show
Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
The Usual Suspects
The Wizard of Oz

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I should have added a Scorsese movie to the second list

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Gary Indiana's bfi book on "Salo" is terriffic. i read it before i saw the film and when i did see it i hated it. i didn't make it to the end.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 16 July 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Lock, Stock is truly horrible yes.

I forgot the Transformers movie, which is totally a fav of mine tho!

Also, The New Guy is great for the Mystikal song. I think it's slightly better than Road Trip overall, because it doesn't have fucking Tom Green in it, but it does have Eddie Griffin.

Loser is great aw-shucks romantic too. The NY montage is priceless and Mena looks cuter than in any other film I've seen her in.

What was that 1960s film about three single women making it in the big city at, i think, a greeting card company? There was some subplot about computerization and layoffs. That film was like the apartment, but somehow way better. Ams would know this, I think.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i think part of that movie ws on tv a few months ago but i ws drinking alot of red wine cuz itd ben awkward watching the fugitive w my turkish roommates turkish mom. it had stars, incl i think a male one she knew of

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont mind life is beautiful

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

ok i ws thinking of desk set, with hepburn and tracy, haha. but the movie u describe sounds fantastic!

noodle otm re fascinating faces. i like movies divided into days or chapters, also

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

like

le mepris
pierrot le fou
le doulos
the thing
once upon a time in the west
the wild bunch
one, two,three
fallen angels
the third man
repo man


hate

3000 miles to graceland
arlington road
darkness falls
the killer elite
hero (the garcia one)
wing commander
ghostbusters 2
harvard man
clay pigeons
cold creek manor

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i enjoy the idea of 3000 miles but its a howie long thing, i had no idea ppl disliked ghostbusters 2

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

river of slime, haunted painting, what's to hate right? but still, very unfunny and as ragget might say, unfun

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

also i think 3000 incl a funny kind of, caught fucking, scene ft who courtney cox and kurt russell? also wait lovitz is in it? stupid elevator shit too

i dunno how long its been since ive seen gbusters 2. it cld be i only wish it well cuz it actual scared me the 1st time, vlad. if its not funny im w you

007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

thing is, ghostbusters 2 was by far the most anticipated movie of '89 (90?) on my must-see list, so i went opening weekend with my brother and dad. we were pretty excited but i tell you what, i've never seen a grimmer-looking audience leaving a theater when the lights came up.

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

3000 Miles to Graceland had one of the best trailers I've ever seen for a horrible movie

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.spietati.it/speciali/mizoguchi/foto/miss-oyu1.jpg

miss oyu

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

haha i think i grafted the "computers" part of the plot from desk set to the other movie. but the other movie DOES exist, I'm sure. desk set is great too.

also, gear, how could you hate the killer elite!? that movie is so fucking funny.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm a huge peckinpah fan to the point that i'm not sure anyone else anywhere from '69-'74 was doing better work, however i found that movie to be a bit of a mess and mostly very bad. i did like bo hopkins in it, though!

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

corporate ninjas!

it's a totally weird mess, yeah, but i love how strange and absurd the whole thing is.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link

actually i probably dislike some other peckinpah films more, but this one disappointed me most.

Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

1. Casablanca
2. Apocalypse Now
3. Harold and Maude
4. Pillow Talk
5. His Girl Friday
6. Fantasia (original)
7. Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown
8. Seventh Seal
9. Star Wars (the first one released, in 1970s)
10. Jesus Christ Superstar

I can't remember the ones I hate.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

seventh seal?

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

but yeah when i saw the title, the killer elite, i thot how cld this be bad? but 1ce i saw it ws peckinpah i kind of understood

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:33 (eighteen years ago) link

http://walkwithjoaquin.com/

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Ten, for today -
Beau travail (Denis)
Cat People (Tourneur)
Pierrot le fou (Godard)
Dead Ringers (Cronenberg)
The Crying Game (Jordan)
Andrei Roublev (Tarkovsky)
Mildred Pierce (Curtiz)
A Woman Under the Influence (Cassavetes)
Nostalghia (Tarkovsky)
Léo en jouant 'dans la Compagnie des Hommes' (Desplechin) FIND ME A COPY ON TAPE PLZ!

Least -
True Lies (Scott Seward OTM, shrill, sexist, stupid, offensive in every possible way)
Bottle Rocket
Magnolia
12 Monkeys
Wild At Heart
Seul contre tous
Le fabuleux destin d'Amelie Putain Poulain
American Beauty (MASSIVE HATE!!! makes me angry just thinking about it)
julien donkey-boy
La collectioneuse
Lock, Stock..
I think I hate Lars von Trier but I haven't seen any of his movies. I hate Kubrick, I see the art in what he does, but I hate it. I really need to see more Bresson films, some more of Abel Ferrara, and about ten films by Fassbinder.

Much love for Office Space and Big Lebowski (best thing the Coens ever did). Fight Club is fascinating, I used to think the ending was such a cheesy fairy tale cop out and it kind of is, but then, Marla is the one who doesn't really exist and Ed Norton doesn't get to date Brad Pitt any more, so maybe it's not so have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too after all.

daria g (daria g), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i like von trier but cried at dancer in the dark so idk where the false moves are

i find that dismissal of true lies astonishing but otherwise im kind of w you, i mean, rublev is inscrutable and everything

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

true lies! so terrible.

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

haha yeah if its offensive in every possible way, and terrible. it might even lag! i like when arnold talks to ppl

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I was yelling at True Lies in the theater it made me so mad, and I was like 15 at the time, I think.. there was nothing to do in my town, somebody dragged me out to see it.

There are a number of films I should've listed in the sense of "these are great films," but I was thinking let me just put a lot of the split personality psychosis type of stuff.

More..
Peau neuve (Emilie Deleuze)
George Washington (David Gordon Green)
Ratcatcher (Lynne Ramsay)
Trouble Every Day (Claire Denis)
La captive (Akerman)
Les glaneurs et la glaneuse (Agnes Varda)
Nha fala (Flora Gomes - GO SEE if you can manage to find it)

daria g (daria g), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Gordon Green's films are never as good as I want them to be.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:00 (eighteen years ago) link

whats that other ramsay movie, the mixtape suicide one, is it ok? agree w milo altho ive only seen george washington, faraway theater, felt like i ws waiting there, moving my eyes, but green is good in the sun huh? glaneurs is so great

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost to 007 - Seventh Seal is an Ingmar Bergman film, with the famous scene where the knight plays chess with death.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Morvern Callar is the mixtape suicide one. I love it, but my opinion was very much in the minority at ILE from what I remember.

Gordon Green's dialogue frustrates me to death - so many pregnant pauses that don't deserve the weight he gives them, and then the Malick-aping that matches his visual poetry but never integrates as well with the story. But then he tells such an incredible story visually and gets great performances otherwise that I can forgive him to some degree.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:19 (eighteen years ago) link

haha no i know i just thot it ws unwatchable. i like fanny and alexander a whole lot. i havent really fucked w bergman that much, i like when hes sentimental, or on relationships, i guess

milo 1ce again otm

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link

omg i hated hated hated natural born killers. gabbneb otm

t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link

but robert downey jr!

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Most
Scorpio Rising (Kenneth Anger)
Bad Boys II (Michael Bay)
When the Applause Died (Nick Bougas)
The Ladies' Man (Jerry Lewis)
The Birds (Alfred Hitchock)
L'Argent (Robert Bresson)
Kapunga Island (George Kuchar)
To Live and Die in L.A. (William Friedkin)
Star 80 (Bob Fosse)
Unsere Afrika Reise (Peter Kubelka)
Least
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2003 remake
You've Got Mail
What Dreams May Come
Amarcord
Hannibal
Forces of Nature
Great Expectations (Ethan Hawk-Gweneth Paltrow)
Life Aquatic

theodore fogelsanger (herbert hebert), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i was actually going to post this on the ILX dreams thread, but my first-ever ILXor-related dream last night involved amateurist asking me if i wanted to see his favorite movie with him!

my can't-think-very-straight-at-the-moment list:

the umbrellas of cherbourg
imitation of life
blue velvet
cries and whispers
a woman under the influence
annie hall
umberto d.
children of paradise
robocop
window water baby moving

can't think of a hate list right now

joseph (joseph), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

TEDDY OTM

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

idk abt life aquatic, i havent seen it, but youve got mail boy oh boy

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link

joe, cries and whispers, theres probably a bergman sd but i like this thread. has ppl seen scenes from a marriage, persona, wild strawberries and on? i 1ce saw persona clipped in a doc and it looked so incredible, vs the grainy vhs i thot i saw wo air conditioning. i havent seen him championed locally, might be unfashionable, but like i sd i like 1 movie

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

what are we talking about here, i just saw theodore fogelsanger's list, this isn't favourite films, is it?

...is it?

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

oh shit i misread, meant to say youve got mail is awesome, teddy your wrong. still, to live and die in la, sounds fantastic

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

persona and wild strawberries both wonderful, haven't seen scenes... the only bergman films i haven't terribly liked have been the seventh seal and winter light. and i need to see a better version of the magician before i pass judgment.

joseph (joseph), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

haha yeah i ws all, here is a guy who likes the birds and also gwen so maybe aquatic is in fact ok and ppl are reacting in bold to some hate, misplaced

and cries and whispers also, its abt a family, coming apart, maybe cancer im imagining?

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link


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