Taking Sides - HD-DVD or Blu-Ray?

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right now as I understand it the major bottleneck is at the endpoints, e.g. your computer and their computer. download speeds can be increased many times from current levels as better transport- and data link-layer protocols are devised.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 21 July 2006 14:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

msft's entire IP-video system actually streams OVER port 80, HTTP. It's a bit insane but for the end-consumer it actually makes decent sense. problem: MSFT sucks at content.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 21 July 2006 14:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

I look forward to seeing these formats die.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 July 2006 14:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

In high resolution, no doubt.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 21 July 2006 14:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

every shard of crimson death will dance to Ned's tune, and you'll see it all.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 21 July 2006 14:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

Popup menus while the film is running are about the only thing I've seen on HD-DVD which made me think, "Oh, handy." Apparently there's the potential (perhaps only with Blu-ray - I haven't really been paying attention) to add after-market content to the disc over a Web connection (or perhaps just access it remotely while the disc is in the player). In reality, I expect this just means the studio revising the unskippable trailers every few months, but, y'know, you might get an extra interview with V1n D13s3l on there or something.

I think it's all balls and I'm so glad my long-term job security has been gambled on this.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 21 July 2006 14:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

I agree that these probably won't catch on to a wider audience. People have so much invested in DVDs that they aren't going to go replace entire collections with HD DVDs.

I'm currently using an upconvert DVD player with an HDTV and the picture quality is amazing and the DVD player and DVDs are dirt cheap. I can't imagine that an HD DVD or blu-ray is going to add that much more to my viewing experience and it's going to cost a lot more.

Matt Olken (Moodles), Friday, 21 July 2006 16:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah the ROI for all but engadget/gizmodo RSS subscriber types is just too low. I don't have HDTV myself but I agree with a lot of other people who've said basically that unless you're standing in the store looking at real HD on one TV and a DVD on another, similar TV, you really can't tell, much less care.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Friday, 21 July 2006 16:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Supposed to be a big announcement next month at the CES by Bill Gates which will finally decide which format will succeed in the long term. Either that HD DVD is dead or more likely that HD DVD drives will be fitted as standard to Xbox 360s.

Billy Dods, Thursday, 20 December 2007 15:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

Tracer plz to summarise that ridiculously long article into handy take-home soundbite.

ledge, Thursday, 20 December 2007 16:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

"In summary, Apple wins again (probably)"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2007 16:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

As with audio, punters don't give a crap about quality and would rather watch harry potter on youtube than on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD.

More or less

Ed, Thursday, 20 December 2007 16:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

* sub-SD mobile video has taken off in a huge way; HD is useless on a phone
* DVDs upscaled on HD television sets look fantastic already

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 20 December 2007 16:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

thx!

ledge, Thursday, 20 December 2007 16:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

by the way, when i was in new york earlier this year i watched Letterman on a friend's girlfriend's gigantic HD television, and yyyeeeeeuccchhhh

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

* DVDs upscaled on HD television sets look fantastic already

this is more OTM than I ever imagined. The final nail for me was when I saw Assassin's Creed played on a 60" giganto-plasma that was capable of 1080p - I was all "holy shit this is amazing, is this full 1080p?" and dude is like "no this is actually just upscaled from the component signal"

El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

There's one particular HD title I worked on recently - it has sold 37 copies worldwide. 37. I can think of a couple of others which can't have even reached that figure.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

What does Tay Zonday look like in HD

El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

El Tomboto - that Assassin's Creed still would have been 720p being upscaled - which is fair a lot different than upscaling a progressive scan dvd, I'd imagine. You're just start with a much higher res image which can have a lot more detail, etc...

Anyhow, a good 1080p transfer is going to have a lot more detail and a lot cleaner look on a good 1080p HDTV, than a 480p dvd being upscaled to 1080p. But I would agree that the average consumer couldn't give a shit (or at least not enough to drop a couple of thousand and to bother setting up all that stuff to work right).

Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the comments in the article comparing HD disc formats to SACD and DVD-Audio seem OTM to me in that regard

El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, I can't type in English today :(

Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

The one thing I've seen in HD that was really wow - 1080i NFL broadcasts on a big plasma

El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

this thread does remind me I need to e-mail my landlady and ask when they're getting the roof dish upgraded

El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

the truth is HD DOES look a lot better but upscaled DVDs still look GREAT so ya.

s1ocki, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

it also depends on the dvd and how it's encoded too. ppl forget about that whole thing.

s1ocki, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

Since getting HD a couple years back it's really the only thing I watch. If there's a movie I really want to see it's only theater or HD for me - anything else is kind of unacceptable. I don't think I'm the average consumer, but it's a big deal for me - I'm actually less precious about music and whether it's on a serious hi-fi etc.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

...though I care about music more.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

I am considering a PS3 for Gran Turismo and Blu-Ray, but I'm still not sure. I figure $$$ upfront for the first kind of player and something $ later if blu-ray loses.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

Another problem with HD-DVD & Blu-Ray is that there still aren't really many very good movies out on either format. And of course, in most cases, what is on there is a lot more expensive than the standard DVD versions. Lots of people didn't switch from VHS to DVD until the prices on DVDs got more than competitive too. For instance, the 28 Days Later DVD is $9.99 US on Amazon right now, while the Blu-Ray disc is $27.95 - and this is a movie that supposedly looks no different in either format. Why would somebody in their right mind buy the blu-ray disc even if they had a player?

Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

Would somebody in their right mind buy that movie in the first place...?

Tracer Hand, Friday, 21 December 2007 00:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

would somebody in their right mind buy a movie?

s1ocki, Friday, 21 December 2007 00:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

no way, movies are expensive! they cost tens of millions of dollars!

Tracer Hand, Friday, 21 December 2007 00:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

The de laurentiis family bought Dune as a gift for all of us

El Tomboto, Friday, 21 December 2007 01:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

They're both basically doomed, unless Warner takes a side soon, and then the other side would be immediately dead.

Eric H., Friday, 21 December 2007 01:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

I don't care about Warner. I do care about Criterion. I just want them to start putting out HD movies - damn it. I don't care which format - I will buy either player I need at that point, which will hopefully come soon (but I doubt it).

Jeff LeVine, Friday, 21 December 2007 03:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Warner chooses Blu-Ray. HD-DVD is pretty much dead.

Eric H., Saturday, 5 January 2008 00:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

ya that's somethin.

s1ocki, Saturday, 5 January 2008 00:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

And Toshiba cancelled (or at least postpones) their CES press conference? God, this is really bad for HD-DVD. I really wish I hadn't stupidly bought a player a couple months ago when they were doing their warehouse-is-on-fire sales. At least I've only bought a couple discs beyond the freebies.

Eric H., Saturday, 5 January 2008 09:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

if you got one for cheap you will probably be able to scoop up tons of good movies when the format dies. i mean, even if you didn't get one for cheap. the point is, you'll probably get your money's worth.

s1ocki, Saturday, 5 January 2008 19:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

and some studios are still HD-DVD only, so it's not going to be obsolete for a while

milo z, Saturday, 5 January 2008 19:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

Suppose HD-DVD dies. And a Blu-ray costs just as much as the DVD equivalent. Will there still be a reason for consumers to go Blu-ray?

Unless computers start making all their built-in optical disc drives Blu-ray *and* DVD compatible, and/or offer cheap portable Blu-ray readers/burners, Blu-ray is going to have to eat money for a long time.

...

I mean I still see many kids on buses use CD walkmans. It's not as if iPods have really "won" yet either, ya know?

Mackro Mackro, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

^^^Wut

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

they're saying apple might start putting blu-ray in macs as early as this season.

s1ocki, Saturday, 5 January 2008 22:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

Suppose HD-DVD dies. And a Blu-ray costs just as much as the DVD equivalent. Will there still be a reason for consumers to go Blu-ray?

Blu-Ray is HD. Regular DVDs are not.

milo z, Saturday, 5 January 2008 23:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was thinking of pawning off my HD-DVD player, but that was just crazy talk off the initial shock of the announcement. I'd only do it if I was a gamer and wanted a PS3 anyway, which I sort of don't.

Eric H., Sunday, 6 January 2008 00:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

i'm glad we could talk you down.

s1ocki, Sunday, 6 January 2008 00:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

Haha

Eric H., Sunday, 6 January 2008 01:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

I do have to say this will probably curb any future HD-DVD buying for now.

Eric H., Sunday, 6 January 2008 01:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

lol @ warner brothers rescuing the playstation 3

El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 January 2008 01:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

The Star Trek reboot looks amazing on blu-ray.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Alien is one I saw recently that was most O_O. Beautiful.

circa1916, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Some recent purchases that look great: "Mysteries Of Lisbon", "Ronin", "Kuroneko", "Seven Samurai", "Excalibur".

Lawanda Pageboy (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 4 May 2012 03:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

There is a simply AMAZING slapfight going on at Jeff Wells's "Hollywood Elsewhere" over the upcoming Criterion Rosemary's Baby blu-ray disc and the proper aspect ratio for the film: http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2012/07/criterion_cleav.php (It's being mostly propagated by Glenn Kenny.)

(Note: Wells has not called anyone "fat" yet, but "fascist" has been busted out nearly a dozen times.)

Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah that whole thing is v entertaining!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm purple-faced with rage. I've got stomach acid. I'm spitting saliva on the rug.

lol jesus

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Who cares? It's not 48 fps so it'll suck.

StanM, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

I liked when Wells got in a tizzy over the Anatomy of A Murder edition and how someone at Criterion dug up a photo taken from the audience perspective at the film's original premiere that proved they were using the correct A.R. and uploaded it to Facebook.

Don't Feel Like Santana, But Oye Como Va To Them (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oddly enough, the actual ratio was 1:1

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 02:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

all the reality shows out there and THIS isn't televised

priorities

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 02:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha, was Wells called a fascist by Polanski?

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2012/07/letter_to_polan.php

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 July 2012 01:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

11 months pass...

Recommendations for a long-lasting, low-end BR player?

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 July 2013 15:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

Still not decided on this

lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Thursday, 11 July 2013 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

How low-end, Morbs? A $100 Sony BR player should last pretty much forever.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 11 July 2013 19:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, that LG I ref'd upthread (purchased early 2010) is still going strong. If you go too no-brand and cheap it'll probably have a lousy UI and disc mechanism (= noisy). $100 will get you a fast, reliable player that's nice to use.

that mustardless plate (Bill A), Thursday, 11 July 2013 19:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

Seriously guys, do I go with BR or HD-DVD? I wanna know

SharkNATO (latebloomer), Friday, 12 July 2013 04:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

I got a Samsung for around $80....

And so you can all have a laugh, it never occurred to me that this wouldn't work with my hardy tube TV. So now I need to get a flatscreen, and fuck this world.

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 July 2013 11:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Or perhaps there is a way to do it, at least with some models.

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 July 2013 11:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

My wife and I have an older flatscreen we might be getting rid of, but it doesn't have an internal tuner - you have to have a cable/satellite hookup to watch TV, you just can't get over-the-air channels. But it's great for BRs and DVDs.(It's 720p resolution.) If you can hang tight I'll see for sure if she's OK with getting rid of it, if you want it. I'd rather give it to someone that can use it than just throw it away.

it itches like a porky pine sitting on your dick (Phil D.), Thursday, 18 July 2013 11:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

I watch Blu-Rays, via my PS3, on a non-HD, non-flatscreen TV - this is in the UK, obv.

I recently asked a local dealer about multi-region bluray players, and was told that because of the online link/upgrades on bluray discs, multiregion bluray players can only play non-home-region dvds, not blurays - can this be true? there are def region 1 only blus that I wld to watch/own at some point.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 18 July 2013 11:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

There *are* true multiregion blu-ray players, mostly from the company Oppo, but they're expensive (still several hundred quid at least).

There's very few that support changing the blu-ray region via the remote control (unlike dvd, which lots will do), but I recently upgraded my no-brand multiregion unit to a Toshiba BDX3200. This is an "old" model and I had to get it from eBay, but with a firmware tweak it will play any region of dvd AND br disc.

The online link/upgrades thing is not a red-herring though as I can imagine that if the player downloaded and installed new firmware it might lose the multi-region functionality. Simple solution is that I don't have it connected to the internet.

that mustardless plate (Bill A), Thursday, 18 July 2013 12:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Thanks Bill, v. helpful

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 18 July 2013 13:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

thx PD, but I think this will be resolved shortly one way or another. Also, I have to watch something and write about it by Sunday.

"Pristine images," feh.

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 July 2013 13:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

one CAN buy a converter from HD for a tube TV, but that's $70-75, so kinda pointless.

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 July 2013 19:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

The idea of watching a BR on a tube tv is very strange.

polyphonic, Thursday, 18 July 2013 19:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, i wish i could turn back time and never commit to one.

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 July 2013 03:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

what have you against televisions that were made in this century?

akm, Friday, 19 July 2013 04:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

found mention of this on the criterion boards --

http://www.searsoutlet.com/Blu-ray-Player-SR212S/d/product_details.jsp?md=ct_md&pid=105725&mode=buyUsedOnly

all-region blu-ray player for $50; found one at my nearby sears. havent set it up yet & tried the code, etc but assuming all goes smoothly there'll be a whole new world of movies to acquire and aggregate in stacks and put off watching!

johnny crunch, Monday, 5 August 2013 23:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

I'm getting leery about buying blu-rays because i know i'll have to upgrade everything again when the 4k/8k TVs become a thing.

and yo-yos (abanana), Friday, 2 May 2014 00:14 (7 months ago) Permalink


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