― ddb, Wednesday, 2 April 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ben Silver (Ben Silver), Wednesday, 2 April 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― r|t|c, Friday, 4 May 2007 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Had completely missed -- and feel very bad for missing -- the news that Nile's been struggling with prostate cancer, an operation and the aftereffects. He's got a running blog up about the experience:
http://nilerodgers.com/blog/walking-on-planet-c
After seeing him last year at EMP all sprightly and hilarious this is a heck of a shock.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 30 January 2011 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
He is so completely OTM in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF-XDf_jf5w
― hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Sunday, 30 January 2011 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Indeed.
― Never Make Your Moog Too Soon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
In answer to the OP, the key to Rodgers' sound is that his signal is split: apart from going to an amp, he also DI's it, i.e. by plugging directly into the desk and using the channel's preamp to bring it to line level. The sound you hear on the records is a blend of the mic'd amp and the DI'd signal. Both signals are heavily compressed, but there are no other effects audible in his most famous recordings.Michael Jackson's Billie Jean is another example of this technique.
― Lease a Lobe (Vast Halo), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
That video is fantastic, particularly the bits where he's playing Le Freak in slow motion and revealing all these ridiculously subtle hidden notes
This guy is basically the greatest musician ever
― Bad Fucking Dowie (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 30 January 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Great vid
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Sunday, 30 January 2011 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I love the part where he shows you how most people play le freak wrong.
― hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Sunday, 30 January 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Rhythm guitar and solo guitar are two things so different from each other that it's really impossible to compare. But as far as rhythm guitar goes, he has few equals.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 31 January 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Generally I think people underestimate how much of the funkiness comes from the technique itself as opposed to the guitar/amp/effect combo. Not that I'm so great at Nile Rodgers-style playing, but I generally find that just developing your control over your left-hand cutoffs/muting and the tightness of your righthand picking (don't try to get away with that loose, swingy bullshit when you can't play tight) makes a big difference. But I totally agree about using very little reverb or other effects.
Watching that video was kind of a revelation though, in re the three-notes-at-a-time thing.
― hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Monday, 31 January 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Generally I think people underestimate how much of the funkiness comes from the technique itself as opposed to the guitar/amp/effect combo.
Don't funk guitarists largely use a rather clean style? I agree that funk guitar is more about techique than FX. Heavy rock guitar, now that is something else.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 31 January 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, I've heard a lot of sloppy sounding effects in supposed funk playing. The best ones certainly play clean. But I was more responding to the original post, even though it's rather old.
― hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Monday, 31 January 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Nile on the money and Hurting too. All kinds of great guitar players from Bucky Pizzarelli to Steve Cropper are really careful about damping/muting the strings that are not sounding notes and not letting the other strings ring longer than desired, as well as choosing which voicings or parts of voicings they want to use. Wanting to play all six strings at all times and letting them all ring out may be the guitar player equivalent of the practice room bass player who has to turn the bass knob all the way up because, after all, it's a BASS!
― Never Make Your Moog Too Soon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 January 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I love how Niles name drops George Van Eps and then later musically quotes Chuck Berry's "Memphis, Tennessee" and it's all completely cool and appropriate.
― Never Make Your Moog Too Soon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 January 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
That video is great. Someone who's been around as long as he has and done as much as he has could easily be a total dick, but he always comes over as just the nicest guy on the planet.
This section from his first blog post really gets me:
It was foggy - just before dawn. The song that popped into my head was “Let’s Dance”, and I started walking. At 1.3 miles I reached my local diner. I went in for a cup of coffee. “We Are Family" was playing and the whole staff was singing along. I said, “Wow, that’s my song!” And they looked at me like I was nuts. I’ve known everyone in this eatery for about twenty years - but none of them knew I co-wrote it. My eyes welled up with tears. Crazy. I know that people generally don't know what songs composers write - but this was "We Are Family", written by Bernard Edwards & Nile Rodgers, both residents of this town. For some reason, I felt really hurt. Tears were now flowing...Cancer is horrifying. It makes you think a lot. My ex-partner passed away and most people don’t realize many songs they sing along with every day he did. Maybe, I was just afraid of dying and feeling sorry for myself - cancer also makes you do that. But my sadness was real. Cancer is a humiliating disease and I wanted to feel dignified about something. I wiped the tears from my eyes and told the diner's staff that I wrote the song they were singing. I finished my coffee, smiled, hugged everybody and waved goodbye.My morning walks now have a dual-purpose. Do everything in my power to heal and try to put cancer behind me - and share the "Good Times" and happy memories of a lost songwriting partner to anyone who’ll listen. We did fun music meant to lift the spirit - and I'm proud of it.After I left the diner I sang "We Are Family" to myself, three times - in its entirety... all the way back home.
Cancer is horrifying. It makes you think a lot. My ex-partner passed away and most people don’t realize many songs they sing along with every day he did. Maybe, I was just afraid of dying and feeling sorry for myself - cancer also makes you do that. But my sadness was real. Cancer is a humiliating disease and I wanted to feel dignified about something. I wiped the tears from my eyes and told the diner's staff that I wrote the song they were singing. I finished my coffee, smiled, hugged everybody and waved goodbye.
My morning walks now have a dual-purpose. Do everything in my power to heal and try to put cancer behind me - and share the "Good Times" and happy memories of a lost songwriting partner to anyone who’ll listen. We did fun music meant to lift the spirit - and I'm proud of it.
After I left the diner I sang "We Are Family" to myself, three times - in its entirety... all the way back home.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Monday, 31 January 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
love that video, damn
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 31 January 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
VegemiteGrrrl otm. And yeah, that exact passage got to me too.
― Never Make Your Moog Too Soon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 January 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I wonder about his personal wealth. If he spent wisely he must be as rich as a czar.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 January 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah. You'd hope that over time he'd be pretty smart about financials but you just never know.
The photos he's put up on his Facebook page are fun...him and Grace Jones at Studio 54, backstage with Rick James, old Chic Organization pics, even old family photos. Love how open he is with his fans.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Monday, 31 January 2011 18:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i know that nile rodgers didn't play on "off the wall", but i think of him every time i listen to it (so much pristine studio guitar funk).
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 28 February 2011 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Was just learning some Sister Sledge and Diana with my guitar teacher. He told me Nile Rodgers used to practice banjo a lot, and ever since he mentioned that banjo's really become apparent in the playing. He also pointed out a lot of these alternating notes on the high E string that don't technically alter the chord (even though they change the way they sound), plus the aforementioned rhythmic muting.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 February 2011 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Everybody who said 16th notes is technically correct, but what seperates the post-punk buskers from real funkateers is the latter use SWUNG 16th notes, alternated with straight 16ths. If you can swing 8th notes its the same idea, just applied to 16ths; or think of it as those swung 8ths played twice as fast. Niles plays pretty fast on some tracks, so it took me a while to work up to that speed while keeping it swung.
Also, don't play whole bar chords, bass notes and all. I think that video above mentions it, but playin g around with the different parts of a chord, muting some strings etc. is a grat way to make your grooves more interesting.
Then get an old Fender Twin or Valve, and go for a clean, dry, pure tone, like 3 (treble), 4 (mid), bass fairly high. Add a little compression and you should be close.
― Franklin_The_Turtle, Monday, 28 February 2011 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
the nile rodgers giggin tips clip above is pretty much the greatest thing ever posted on the internet.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
this is true no matter what style (or instrument) you're playing.
technique >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument/amp/effect combo.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
For sure. It's vital that you stick to the top three or four high strings, too, like he says, and avoid playing the whole chords. Otherwise you come off sounding like this oddly aggressive jazzbo.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^hmmm, that's interesting; this has always been my instinctive playing style (highly rhythmic focus on the D through high E strings and only throw in the low E and A strings for accent and color). This must be why I suck at rawk!
I feel like a softer plectrum would be advisable for a Nile-esque sound-- thoughts?
― every man and woman is a sitar (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
If you really want to get serious, don't just learn Niles stuff. Learn everything he learned growing up, like Curtis Mayfield, George Van Eps, all of Hendrix's work etc.
I'm quite a hypocrite when it comes to this though.
― Franklin_The_Turtle, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Pierre Menard's Nile Rodgers by Jorge Luis Borges
― every man and woman is a sitar (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link
http://nilerodgers.com/blog/planet-c-blog-roll/284-walking-on-planet-c-bittersweet
― adult music person (Jordan), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
The dude's cancer free right? Awesome news.
― Chap With Wings... Five Rounds Rapid (Doran), Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Glad that he's recovering!
― Moodles, Thursday, 17 March 2011 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Memoir artwork now available:
http://www.nilerodgers.com/blog/planet-c-blog-roll/443-walking-on-planet-c-le-freak-cest-chic
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 July 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
is there ever likely to be a vol 2 of 'Nile Rodgers presents The Chic Organization: Boxset Vol. 1'?
i guess all the killer stuff is on the first, but can imagine vol 2 having all their 80s production hits
dave haslam is set to interview nile in manchester in november but apparently his cancer has returned so this might not happen now.
― NI, Monday, 29 August 2011 12:30 (twelve years ago) link
http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/07/mr-rodgerss-neighborhood/#more-175357
― just sayin, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, and that's just the intro.
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, if the rest of the book is that good it'll be well worth picking up
― three word displayname (snoball), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
fascinating
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
the nile rodgers giggin tips clip above is pretty much the greatest thing ever posted on the internet
Totally. I just found it by accident and am in awe.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 19 September 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
I'm sold.
― sasha and maliaweed (The Reverend), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/45348-daft-punk-in-talks-with-nile-rodgers-for-new-album/
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
so did anyone read his book?
― the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
Yup. It's great.
― Suede - the fabric, not the band (DL), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
Three and a half hours of Nile Rodgers on guitar, production, and generally being awesome.
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/lectures/nile-rodgers--turn-the-other-chichttp://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/lectures/nile-rodgers--turn-the-other-chic-2
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 31 December 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
Wow, this is amazing. Thanks for posting that.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 31 December 2012 23:48 (eleven years ago) link
^^
― Tome Cruise (Matt P), Monday, 31 December 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
^ This was great. The audience and presenter seem incredibly bored though.
― how's life, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 12:41 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.timeout.com/london/tv-and-radio-guide/nile-rodgers-the-hitmaker
I guess this is new and Nile-specific?
― crazed lerner fan (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 23 March 2013 13:49 (eleven years ago) link
frequently ponder that Nile almost died 18 months ago but instead lived, played tons and tons of great shows all over the world and made an album with daft punk
― crazed lerner fan (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 23 March 2013 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, if anything, LYTD seems like a perfectly designed third single.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link
Is there an unstoppable ubiquitous summer jam on the rise for this year, by the way ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
the "robots" parts in LYTD might be the best of the whole album... or even their best ever !
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link
I Really Really Like You?Bills?
― MarkoP, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link
song is out; video drops in 2 hours
― example (crüt), Friday, 20 March 2015 12:10 (nine years ago) link
i love "back in the old school"
― example (crüt), Friday, 20 March 2015 12:33 (nine years ago) link
http://www.okayplayer.com/news/nile-rodgers-chic-ill-be-there-video.html
nice tune. video is uuuuuuh
― cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Friday, 20 March 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link
CHIC retweeted BANG Showbiz @BANGShowbiz 8m8 minutes ago
Chic + @nilerodgers are putting on an incredible show at @RoundhouseLDN! #IllBeThere #EverybodyDance 4:26 PM - 20 Mar 2015 · Details https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAkhJPSWsAAx7C2.jpg
― dow, Friday, 20 March 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbt-kw2EkfU
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
i really wish that whole documentary were available with english subtitles― example (crüt), mercredi 29 avril 2015 16:52 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkthe documentary is pretty cool, yeah.from a french perspective, it was quite fun (and wtf) to have all these interviews and comments from big stars and then... sheila !I didn't even know he had made an album for her...I also didn't know he was behind inxs' "original sin".― AlXTC from Paris, mercredi 29 avril 2015 17:32 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkI should have put this on the Nile thread instead of the Daft thread, I guess..― AlXTC from Paris, mercredi 29 avril 2015 17:33 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkAm I missing something? All I saw was a sub 1-min video of a Daft Punk robot typing at a console while "Why?" played in the background.― The Reverend, mercredi 29 avril 2015 18:03 (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkyeah the "video" is nothing. it's part of a French Nile Rodgers documentary.― example (crüt), mercredi 29 avril 2015 18:14 (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkSurely an equivalent of this documentary has been made in english at some point ? Especially since all the interviews are in english !I mean it's cool and all but there must be many other interviews of Nile and all the other people involved on the subject.Among the best stuff are his comments about all the things he's done until now.With such an incredible history of hits he could sound like an asshole (or an hypocrite) but he manages to appear both proud and likeable.A bit like a kid bragging.Another nice thing is that throughout the documentary he almost always plays his (unplugged) guitar during the interviews.(OK this definitely belongs to the NL thread !)― AlXTC from Paris, mercredi 29 avril 2015 18:40 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― example (crüt), mercredi 29 avril 2015 16:52 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the documentary is pretty cool, yeah.from a french perspective, it was quite fun (and wtf) to have all these interviews and comments from big stars and then... sheila !I didn't even know he had made an album for her...I also didn't know he was behind inxs' "original sin".
― AlXTC from Paris, mercredi 29 avril 2015 17:32 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I should have put this on the Nile thread instead of the Daft thread, I guess..
― AlXTC from Paris, mercredi 29 avril 2015 17:33 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Am I missing something? All I saw was a sub 1-min video of a Daft Punk robot typing at a console while "Why?" played in the background.
― The Reverend, mercredi 29 avril 2015 18:03 (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah the "video" is nothing. it's part of a French Nile Rodgers documentary.
― example (crüt), mercredi 29 avril 2015 18:14 (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Surely an equivalent of this documentary has been made in english at some point ? Especially since all the interviews are in english !I mean it's cool and all but there must be many other interviews of Nile and all the other people involved on the subject.
Among the best stuff are his comments about all the things he's done until now.With such an incredible history of hits he could sound like an asshole (or an hypocrite) but he manages to appear both proud and likeable.A bit like a kid bragging.Another nice thing is that throughout the documentary he almost always plays his (unplugged) guitar during the interviews.
(OK this definitely belongs to the NL thread !)
― AlXTC from Paris, mercredi 29 avril 2015 18:40 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
the interviews are in english but they're inaudible because of the dubbing!
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
"I'll Be There" is at the top of the Billboard dance charts.
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 21:24 (eight years ago) link
Duets added, also re Freak Out Festival:http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6612809/nile-rodgers-chic-album-interview?utm_source=twitter
― dow, Friday, 26 June 2015 23:22 (eight years ago) link
Lots of younger/other artists I'd like as guests, but these are mostly people he's known and performed with live and/or on their own records, ones he's comfortable with, so (maybe occasional stage colleague Prince will get in there too? NR's still working on tracks!)
― dow, Friday, 26 June 2015 23:26 (eight years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/22/nile-rodgers-goes-busking-london-south-bank
Chic’s Nile Rodgers treated passersby to some of his classics beside the Thames – and kept his guitar case open for donations. Initially unrecognisable in a wooly red hat, multicoloured scarf and camel jacket, he drew a modest crowd when he started singing Le Freak.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 June 2015 14:37 (eight years ago) link
So no Londoners here saw him busking, I guess...
― curmudgeon, Monday, 29 June 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/06/fashion/mens-style/nile-rodgers-still-chic-after-all-these-years.html
He is helping to score Hugh Jackman’s new one-man show, and it’s going to be “insane.” Coachella called him and booked Chic to perform at the festival for the first time next spring, right around the time he is due to hit 64
...Last month, Mr. Rodgers was on deadline to deliver tracks to Mr. Jackman, to Mr. Urban and to Stargate, the Norwegian producers behind many of Rihanna’s and Katy Perry’s hits.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 9 November 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2012/may/18/nile-rodgers-my-greatest-mistake
The single biggest mistake of my entire life was not taking Miles Davis seriously when he said: "Write me a motherfucking 'Good Times'". We had done an Issy Miyake photoshoot together and become friends, but I still couldn't believe that he would ask me to help him make a hit record. This is a great man who changed my life – and he wanted me to help change his. The same thing happened when I first met David Bowie and he wanted a hit record: I thought he was joking.
― niels, Friday, 9 November 2018 12:12 (five years ago) link
oh my god
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Friday, 9 November 2018 12:16 (five years ago) link
o_O
― i want donald duck to scream into my dick (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 November 2018 12:23 (five years ago) link
CHIC @CHICorg
RT nilerodgers "Thrilled to announce that as part of the BBC’s Glastonbury Experience weekend (June 25th-29th), you’ll be able to watch the nilerodgers & CHICorg 2017 set on the Pyramid stage on BBCFOUR and BBCiPlayer. More details about the weekend … " To follow, I hope.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eat0pe0XsAAewNw?format=jpg&name=medium
― dow, Thursday, 18 June 2020 00:57 (three years ago) link
We Are Family played on a wah pedal. I played it this way so folks can hear the voice leading and substitutions. The G11 I play as a D-9 at times pic.twitter.com/RA67DduGP5— Nile Rodgers (@nilerodgers) June 20, 2020
― Portsmouth Bubblejet, Saturday, 20 June 2020 21:51 (three years ago) link
This was a surprise to me!
Attending the #funeral of a Panther’s baby. I’m the skinny 16 year-old brother on the right. Sub-section leader of Lower Manhattan Section, Harlem Branch. We were so filled with love. pic.twitter.com/qyewOg59PI— Nile Rodgers (@nilerodgers) June 4, 2021
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 4 June 2021 03:23 (two years ago) link
love him even more now
― class project pat (m bison), Friday, 4 June 2021 04:08 (two years ago) link
So great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRERgcQe-fQ
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 26 October 2023 18:06 (six months ago) link
I had so much joy in the past 15m and that’s only halfway TY
― BEWARE! SPOOKY! BOO! (Hunt3r), Thursday, 26 October 2023 19:25 (six months ago) link
I kind of remember reading that he never used an amp on records- just DI. Sounds like a lot of compression going in. I've gotten similar sounds with my strat and DI to an actual mic pre/ comp channel strip (as opposed to a pedal).
Delays such as the rhythm guitar on Let's Dance were a Bob Clearmountain thing, more than a Nile thing, if I had to guess.
― Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Friday, 27 October 2023 04:40 (six months ago) link
About 4:00 in this fascinating video, Niles explains the reason for using the delay like that.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlDCPCwVNUw
― assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 27 October 2023 04:53 (six months ago) link
In college, I sang with the keyboard player who busts out the impromptu Soul Glo solo
― the new drip king (DJP), Friday, 27 October 2023 13:06 (six months ago) link
lmao that guy was so good!!!
― oatly carmichael (m bison), Friday, 27 October 2023 13:09 (six months ago) link
Dang that Tiny Desk concert is ridiculous - thanks for posting
― Indexed, Friday, 27 October 2023 14:51 (six months ago) link
Haha yes, that guy was totally the highlight
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Friday, 27 October 2023 15:06 (six months ago) link