Taking Sides: Pat Benatar's "We Belong" vs. Tina Turner's "We Don't Need Another Hero"

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LiaB peaked at #5 too, apparently.

Growing up far after the peaks of both songs, I'd say I probably heard "Love is a Battlefield" about 40 times before I heard "We Belong" once, for whatever that's worth.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 25 July 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

"Battlefield" also made it to #5. "Hit Me" only made it to #9.

Suppose we could start looking at total sales, weeks on chart, etc etc. fwiw, "Battlefield" (which doesn't do much for me) did seem to pwn MTV for months.

Sadly, she never released her cover of "Wuthering Heights" as a single...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 25 July 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

On oldies radio the only Pat hits you hear are "We Belong" and "Love Is a Battlefield," with "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" a distant third. The other radio hits of the time ("Shadows of the Night," "Treat Me Right," Fire & Ice") seem lost forever.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 25 July 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't forget "Hell is for Children".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 25 July 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Or "Promises In The Dark"!

Alfred, don't worry, "Shadows Of The Night" will live on for as long as there is breath in my lungs on karaoke night. It's epic, though the chorus repeats get a little tired.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 25 July 2005 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

God, I need to find a karaoke bar with "Invincible."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 25 July 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I've definitely seen it done in LA. Quite the crowd-pleaser, iirc.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 25 July 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll side with "We Belong", but "Invincible" is indeed much better. "Sex As A Weapon" from around the same time is pretty good too.

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Monday, 25 July 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Ooh Ooh Song"!

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 25 July 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

TINA! TINA! TINA!

This kid at day camp had a couple of visors of various colors, emblazoned with the word(?) "BOOZ".

About four of us sang to him, to the tune of the Tina Turner song: "We don't need another BOOOOOOOZ hat!"

In my head I misheard "We don't need another hero" as "We don't need two 'nother wang ho's"

Another misheard line is "We are the ones to Philbin the air"

Curtisse, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link

We Belong is the hott shitt.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd totally forgotten about the existence of "We Belong" but it's an awesome song isn't it.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 04:47 (eighteen years ago) link

It IS awesome. I especially love how it begins: with those quivering strings, and that one abbreviated TWEENG! And then you're waiting for it to explode, and you hear phrases like "...doubts that complicate your mind...", and it does blow up, and then quiets down again. There's no looking forward! There's no turning back! Whatever we deny or embrace, for worse or for better! C'mon, that's just ace.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 07:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Benatar almost almost beats Turner in my dusty book.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Imagine a Tina/Pat duet on "Better Be Good To Me."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I always loved the handclaps in "We Belong." And in the video, there's just a shot of her looking at the camera and clapping - it's all about the iconic power of the handclap. I sound like I'm being ironic, but seriously, in context it rules.

You gotta love Tina in general, but "Hero" is supposed to be set in this savage, post-apocalyptic, post-technological future, and the song drips with air-conditioned-LA-studio, sushi-eating, yoga-doing vibe. It's doesn't fit.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Tina.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Honest question: can someone explain me the "Invincible" love? It's certainly got a rousing fist-shaker of a chorus, but strikes my ear as kinda thin and wispy Hoiday Inn cheap-synth "funk" everywhere else.

Even after factoring in the chorus, "Invincible" seems no better or worse than much of the Benatar/Geraldo catalog, from "Hard To Believe" to "Le Bel Age." What am I missing?

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

The drum fills are something fierce, roger. The synth sparkles = nuevo wavo. I love how in the chorus she changes key on every fourth syllable. "Invincible" is more convincingly bombastic than anythign she ever did.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

"Invincible" is more convincingly bombastic than anythign she ever did.

THAT, folks, is what we call a bold statement. Respec'.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 28 July 2005 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Wye Oak's cover of "We Belong" made me fall back in love with this song.

https://youtu.be/sWlP5rCXWmA

leprechaundriac (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 May 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

ALL THE CHILDREN SAY

Neanderthal, Monday, 7 September 2020 13:04 (three years ago) link

otm

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 September 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link

yes

has to be the 6-minute version from the soundtrack/12", though

umsworth (emsworth), Monday, 7 September 2020 20:35 (three years ago) link

I fucking love that synth loop in We Belong so much, Giraldo is such a lowkey mad genius - he has such a skill for setting the table for Benatar to belt it out of the park

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 7 September 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link

the 12" instrumental cut here is one of my secretest secret weapons

https://www.discogs.com/Tina-Turner-The-Balearic-Sound-Of-Tina-Turner/release/6235018

the late great, Monday, 7 September 2020 21:05 (three years ago) link

thunderdome is sick. and private dancer. both are sick.

billstevejim, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 00:34 (three years ago) link

"One of the Living" >>>> "We Don't Need Another Hero"

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 00:44 (three years ago) link


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