The RIAA Armageddon has begun

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The weirdest thing - when I posted that sentence, I thought, 'That sentence is so terrible, I wonder if J0hn will correct it'. I recall the last time he corrected one of my sentences, back in about 2003. At the time, I thought he was an English teacher. Anyway, J0hn, thanks for trying, but it's still a terrible sentence so let me try to again.

Music industry pundits have gamely tried to imagine models which could, in some way, monetise the digital distribution of music. Nothing seems to have worked so far. For example, until recently, some commentators were suggesting we look to the porn industry as an example of how to do business on the net. However, now that even the porn industry is having its own problems due to the propagation of free content on various high traffic amateur porn sites, that argument is harder to make. Also down the tubes, apparently is the notion that most bands can monetise touring on the back of internet promotion. Touring income for all but the very big acts appears to be down in 2007, with no signs of bouncing back. My impression (I read hundreds of tour budgets a year as part of my day job) is that most bands lose money on touring, or earn less than they would had they worked a low-paid job for the duration of the tour.

Stetching further back, before Myspace, discussions revolved around direct artist sales from their own websites, and how to construct a site to maximise custom. Also, there was the 'music like water' idea, also before Myspace, where people would subscribe to a service providing unlimited downloads at, say, $20 per month. That idea is fraught with obstacles, relying as it does on cooperation and agreement on the part of the RIAA and other orgnaisations and record companies. Attempts to monetise Myspace through Snocap have also gone down the tubes. Looking at the Prince and Radiohead stunts, even if we grant that either were successful as a commercial venture, it is not apparent that less well known artists could follow the same path. And so on.

To take these lessons and get really pessimistic, we could say that it is impossible to monetise digital distribution of content. If this is the case, it is a potential threat to all content providers whose product can be digitised. That would include music, porn, the press and all publishing, film, video and photography, and TV. The consequences of all those businesses disappearing, along with the music industry, would be interesting. Here it all gets very speculative. It would seem that search engines and social netowrking sites become very powerful insofar as they harvest a great deal of information,w hich they could then sell. That may be where the real internet money lies in the future. Where does that leave the artist? Who knows at this stage.

moley, Thursday, 3 January 2008 00:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

Feel free to correct any grammar or spelling mistakes you may find in that post. I believe there's at least one.

moley, Thursday, 3 January 2008 00:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

There was an interesting thread recently -- on ILM, I think -- about creative options for the music industry in the digital age (the thread was eMusic -- C/D, perhaps; I'm out now, so it's harder to search for it). Anyway, there were some innovative ideas, e.g., a Stock Market Model, a Patronage Model. I have no idea, obv., if these would work, but they're certainly worth further consideration, and they're better, PR-wise, than the RIAA suing its potential customer base.

I know that discussion is one step prior to where you begin your analysis, Moley, but it's in the same vein and was v. interesting.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 3 January 2008 01:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Daniel - I think this is it:

EMusic - C/D

moley, Thursday, 3 January 2008 01:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

As for the majors, I doubt that they view patronage (or anything else involving good faith) as even a plan z but their relentless moustache-twirling is not only burning that bridge but irradiating and vacuuming the remains of the bridge; they're wearing out their stick before they've even planted the carrots. I wonder if a quasi-patronage model could work on a smaller scale, or if it is is already working on a smaller scale with say, 'indie' labels which have always had self-selecting fans and built-in good faith rhetoric working for it to some extent.

tremendoid, Thursday, 3 January 2008 02:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

they will become content feeders for corporate advertising. the madonna sponsorship thing is just the first, it'll be like stock car drivers soon. or else ditch the role of the artist entirely and go to music created by genetic generative algorithms. there is no way to monetize digital distribution of content without DRM in hardware (and even then)

the galena free practitioner, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Alba, Sunday, 27 January 2008 15:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

A-

The Reverend, Sunday, 27 January 2008 15:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

For anyone who's really interested in these cases, Recording Industry vs. The People covers them pretty comprehensively.

felicity, Sunday, 27 January 2008 16:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

ARRR

Alba, Thursday, 31 January 2008 15:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

it's particularly ironic that they'd mention 'let it be' in there; if they're talking about the film, that's one of the only places to fucking get it! it's hardly eating into the beatles' sales since they won't put it on dvd legally.

akm, Thursday, 31 January 2008 15:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

I'll have my CD with. Whatever you've got - drugs, a couple of guns... say, can you hook me up into your criminal network? What's that? I'm now a high ranking executive in the music industry? That's great! Let's party with what's left of our coke budget! Actually, you know what, just keep the CD, it's worthless anyway.

moley, Thursday, 21 February 2008 11:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

large-scale piracy of DVDs is just another black market commodity. it's not surprising that you'd get drugs and other stuff going through the same channels, and it's not surprising that hezbollah or whoever would be involved in those channels, that's how they make their money

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 21 February 2008 12:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

now i'm imagining hezbollah recording an album full of international smash hits, netting them millions -- it would be like that movie about the internet murderer where every website hit injects more poison into his victim or whatever -- "please, america!! stop listening to this infectious music! every CD you buy endangers the lives of us all!" -- until the govt. realize they can stop this insane money mill by encouraging rampant piracy

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 21 February 2008 12:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

You're saying Nickelback should be deported, right? OTM.

StanM, Thursday, 21 February 2008 12:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

Any chance of the Israelis following a policy of targetted assassination of members of Nickelback?

Tom D., Thursday, 21 February 2008 12:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

the ironing

http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-keeps-settlement-money-080228/

StanM, Friday, 29 February 2008 07:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

ironing_4_u.jpeg

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 February 2008 07:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Potential turnabout.

Rock Hardy, Sunday, 16 March 2008 16:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Their probable future strategy:

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/03/15/2243235.shtml

StanM, Sunday, 16 March 2008 16:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Glad people are paying attention to this.

felicity, Monday, 17 March 2008 19:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

WOW

Holy Shit!

From Gizmodo:

The RIAA and MPAA have submitted a plan to the Office of Intellectual Property Enforcement. It's basically a plan that they want the government to enact, and it's terrifying.

Here are some of the lovely things that they're calling for:

* spyware on your computer that detects and deletes infringing materials;
* mandatory censorware on all Internet connections to interdict transfers of infringing material;
* border searches of personal media players, laptops and thumb-drives;
* international bullying to force other countries to implement the same policies;
* and free copyright enforcement provided by Fed cops and agencies (including the Department of Homeland Security!).

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

Is this possible?

Jacob Sanders, Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

probably not

fuckin' lame, bros (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

File sharers=Terrorist

Jacob Sanders, Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, its not going to ever happen, but imagine the balls to even ask.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

exactly

bug holocaust (sleeve), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

"* spyware on your computer that detects and deletes infringing materials;"

I can't even imagine how this would work. . . .

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

love these fucking guys

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Imagine the lines at the Canadian border when the enforcers have to go through every iPod song-by-song to check for infringement.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

if you start your bargaining high enough you might get something passed that's not quite as bad but would have seen to be too extreme if you had asked for that in the first place. That's the reasoning behind it.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

* spyware on your computer that detects and deletes infringing materials

How would such spyware determine what mp3's/mpeg's a user has downloaded and what ones he's ripped himself for personal use? These organizations have really shit the bed this time.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

"* spyware on your computer that detects and deletes infringing materials;"

I can't even imagine how this would work. . . .

Probably pretty simple, they have programs in commercial use even now that can detect a track and detect whether it is a commercial recording or not, and then take automated steps to get rid of it. If you have ever uploaded a video with a commercial song to youtube in the past few years, it gets taken down within minutes.

I'm sure all they would need to do is search for the itunes purchase tag or whatever kind of DRM is supported by the companies paying into the program, and it could work!

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

But what about stuff that you burned yourself from CDs/LPs? Or would it just indescriminantly delete that?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

they want you to buy from itunes etc not rip your own cds. They want you to buy it twice.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

How would such spyware determine what mp3's/mpeg's a user has downloaded and what ones he's ripped himself for personal use?

This is the biggest problem, and perhaps the scariest. What if they took this method:

"Any authorized content needs to have this encrypted code embedded in the file. The RIAA and MPAA both mandated this code in all of their products, therefore, if your binary file does not have the code, it could potentially be an illegal file."

It would be one more step towards eliminating the freedom of production that the internet has democratically given to the entire world. The solution, of course, would be to dump the internet before it becomes something like cable TV, and go underground yet again. I bet there are plenty of hackers ready and willing to work on such a system.

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

pfunkboy OTM. You bought the LP, you bought the cassette, you bought the CD, why the hell aren't you buying the MP3?

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure hackers would figure out a way to delete the spyware in the first place.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I rip a lot of vinyl to my computer. Are they saying that any file not encoded with these RIAA codes are considered illegal?

Jacob Sanders, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well, that's my paranoid dystopian conspiracy theory. I think ripping an LP is safe by today's standards.

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

That sounds like what they are saying.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

I mean I don't see how the spyware could work any other way.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

I may be totally wrong ripping an LP. *google search*

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure it's considered Fair Use.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Actually I'm wrong. The RIAA does NOT consider that Fair Use. But they also haven't taken anyone to court over it. I can't imagine they'd win.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure playing the Beach House album this afternoon with my front door open also violates Fair Use. Frreal, eff these guys.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

RIAA vs. Diamond has mostly settled that, I think?

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/is99/RioSpaceShifter.htm

xp

carson dial, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

This is pretty telling:

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 15 April 2010 21:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp haha, yeah he said it. but you'd have to have some serious blinders on to be a world famous recording artist and not know about that stuff. his vocals are doubletracked on "the boxer," recorded in 1970.

tylerw, Thursday, 11 April 2013 23:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh there you go. of course, that might be the producer just taking two vocal takes, not like it's an amazing overdub job. i like the idea of dylan hearing it with the two vocals and thinking: "who is that other dude singing with me"

tylerw, Thursday, 11 April 2013 23:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is interesting...

Dylan and producer Tom Wilson were soon experimenting with their own fusion of rock and folk music. The first unsuccessful test involved overdubbing a "Fats Domino early rock & roll thing" over Dylan's earlier, acoustic recording of "House of the Rising Sun," according to Wilson. This took place in the Columbia 30th Street Studio in December 1964.[1] It was quickly discarded, though Wilson would more famously use the same technique of overdubbing an electric backing track to an existing acoustic recording with Simon & Garfunkel's "The Sound of Silence". I

never knew that but now I want to hear it.

wk, Thursday, 11 April 2013 23:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

sometimes I think I really need to hear Self Portrait. Dylan doing Paul Simon lol

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 April 2013 23:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

I wonder if dylan was actually there though or ever heard it, or if wilson just did it on his own like he did with SoS
xp

wk, Thursday, 11 April 2013 23:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm sure after he dies there'll be some big reveal about dylan avidly posting on yahoo groups about the civil war.

he went on rec.music.dylan o/w a few times in the 90s

Devendra Bumhat (sic), Friday, 12 April 2013 00:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

i am bob dylan

severely depressed robots are "twee" (Pat Finn), Friday, 12 April 2013 01:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

How big is your penis

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 12 April 2013 02:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Have you been to Manhattan, and if so, what was it like

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 12 April 2013 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean, i usually don't like to talk about "being bob dylan"; it feels tacky, like i'm bragging.

Pat Finn, Friday, 12 April 2013 13:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's ain't braggin' if it's true.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 12 April 2013 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think I know what's going on here. 1) Pat Finn started out on burgundy. 2) He soon hit the harder stuff. 3) Weird, off-the-wall posting on a message board.

clemenza, Friday, 12 April 2013 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i thought i would be able to follow up the "i am bob dylan" comment with some funny posts. but i've got nothing.

Pat Finn, Friday, 12 April 2013 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just confess that you--Bob Dylan--are addicted to youtube videos of celebrities falling off stages, and you'll be okay.

Vol. 3: The Life & Times of E. "Boom" Carter (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

that Juan Gabriel fall remains one of the funniest things ever

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like this video, i think it was posted here at some point, where nickleback walk onstage at a music festival and the lead singer tries to pump up the crowd saying "are you ready to rock?" or something, and it is just dead silent, no response from the audience. after a few minutes the band storms offstage, giving the middle finger to the crowd. i, bob dylan, watch that video every morning in order to laugh and "jolt" myself out of my morning depression.

Pat Finn, Friday, 12 April 2013 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

same here.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 9 May 2013 03:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

How worried should I be if I got a copyright infringement notice from my internet provider (A+and+)?
I've never gotten anything like that and I must say I'm feeling kind of distraught.

"Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 01:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

don't be, stop sharing the specific file(s) they called you out for, maybe avoid sharing files you get from wherever you got those files in general. probably best to avoid uploading anything you could potentially get a notice for for awhile.

balls, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 01:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Got a DMCA takedown notice for a song that was 100% wrote by me and I and recorded every instrument on it, which is a first for me!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 21 November 2013 19:59 (11 months ago) Permalink

weird. was it called "stairway to heaven" or something?

tylerw, Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:00 (11 months ago) Permalink

The file named I Love You But You Don't Love Me Back.mp3 is identified by the key (wnho6vndab12bkk).

Is there a song also called this that I am unaware of? It's a slow droney gospel sort of thing with those being the only lyrics.

I sent a counterclaim to Mediafire but who knows if anything will happen. I should probably just stop using it altogether and go w Soundcloud/Bandcamp.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:02 (11 months ago) Permalink

"old man down the road"

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:02 (11 months ago) Permalink

curious...

https://www.google.com/search?q=wnho6vndab12bkk

koogs, Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:15 (11 months ago) Permalink

Oh great, apparently my files are listed in file crawler websites. I swear to god neither I.love.you.phillip.morris.ts.md.german nor [4shared,mp3] 09 Doctor Jones (Antiloop Club Mix).mp3 are on my mediafire account.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:17 (11 months ago) Permalink

wow adam, thats pretty intense ..

must have felt very strange and yet, exciting ?

as it means you are on some filtering list of value.

in the glory days of blogging, i posted many a track that i was borderline with and never had a takedown notice ...

i always wanted one to print and frame ..

one day.

xpost.

mark e, Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:20 (11 months ago) Permalink

Hotfile to pay Hollywood studios $80m damages in filesharing settlement

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/04/hotfile-hollywood-filesharing-damages-mpaa

sleeve, Thursday, 5 December 2013 01:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

hotfile still exists?

Number None, Thursday, 5 December 2013 18:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

oh i guess it doesn't now

Number None, Thursday, 5 December 2013 18:35 (10 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Got a DMCA takedown notice for a song that was 100% wrote by me and I and recorded every instrument on it, which is a first for me!

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:59 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had this happen too, and the claim came from an act I'd never heard of. And when I contacted mediafire about it they said they fixed it, but they didn't.

Emined - FAP God (The Reverend), Thursday, 16 January 2014 22:09 (9 months ago) Permalink


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